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Yes, twin brother from different mother and father lol

Very sound list. Almost all hit the mark for me, although on the language, english or malay works for me giving indonesian guys an edge as well back home. While its not the most important criteria, its definitely a crucial criteria when deciding candidate for travel or multi-day companions. It makes planning for the trip much more doable. While i never put smile as a crucial criteria, if they do, they definitely will gain advantage. I am already very picky when choosing an off, so im willing to overlook this part. But, once i buy him a drink and sit with me, any lack of interest here will be a red flag and usually means no off. Id add willingness for LT as another criteria for me personally. Though few guys did manage to make me take them on ST, if they are not willing to go LT after few ST off, i tend to forget about them. For massage guys, massage skills are equally important to keep me coming back. Honestly, i dont think i needed to teach any of the guys that become my regular any of these advices as almost always, they are already doing it. Its not hard to figure these out, unless they are totally new in the scene.

Its something most people enjoys i suspect hehe. I wonder, did he cum on your first off with him?

Of course hehe. Im just used to it here and in massage places as well. I agree, for guys from bar, its a rare occurrence, even if my ST off are only a few. And if guy cumming is crucial for you, a non repeat is warranted. Here, guys are more savvy, as in they charge more if u want them to cum lol.

Top guy not willing to cum on ST is pretty normal no? Especially if he can go back to bar or go to apps expecting another customer same night. One of the main reason i prefer LT, no rush fun hehe.

Im not really sauna person myself but going onsen with friends kinda nice and relaxing. The shorts thing is unique to yunomori i suppose? Or maybe thailand, as people here, or most of asean, are typically shy. So yeah, you wont be the only one if you decided to wear the provided short.

Sound hot Double hot!

Since I've off T few times before, we barely talked about the off. No discussion of LT or ST nor compensation. I did jokingly asked if he will stay with me until morning and he says up to you, if u want me to stay until morning, i will. He did went out to 7-11 after i said i wanted him LT, saying he is hungry. I already asked him if he was hungry right after we leave the bar but he said it can wait. Anyway, he left after breakfast. Ive been chatting and exchanging stories with my friend who stays at the hostel and having fun. Took a nap before heading out for lunch. My friend has been shopping around siam and centralworld, so i went there to meet him and have lunch there, at one of the burger place on 5th floor. After lunch, we went back to our respective accomodation before heading out for a visit to yunomori onsen, sathorn. We arrived circa 5.30pm, giving us quite a good time to relax and explore before dinner. Great onsen, 7 pools with various degree of temperature, from the chilling 16°C to scorching 43°C. 2 of the pools are for cool dips, while the other 5 are the hot springs pools with variety of content as well as temperature. One is full of tiny bubbles, another has specific minerals added, with two of the pools are sort of outside with partially exposed roof. Crowd is mixed, although if i were to trust my gaydar, Id say 80% are gays. Throughout our stay, there are few instances of people having discreet fun but overall, if you are not looking for those, u wont see them. People are generally cautious as it is not allowed. 90% are not wearing any underwears/shorts, but majority covers their private with the small towels provided. I do find one guy who has really great body with very handsome look. My gaydar says he is straight but that only adds to his hotness for me lol unfortunately, he is one of the 10% that actually wear the shorts, which u can request from the counter when you register. We went there without any bookings, although if you wanted to have their massage, a booking might be necessary. They provided a locker, two towels, one small and one big, a yukata to wear when you are exploring outside the onsen area. Overall, it is a nice area to rest and recharge while having eye candy walking around, but if you intention is for fun, maybe this isnt the place. The entry fee is 550 baht. We stay there until 7.30pm before heading out and go for dinner in silom. After dinner in Beirut, i suggested for us to go to soi 4 beer bar to kill time before heading to bar for the show. We ended up sitting at circus bar. While we were there, i noticed the poster on VIP room with host boys on Level 3. If anyone had experience using this room, I would love to hear the experience. Near to 10pm, the circus bar also have some coyote shows, with some ladyboy number as well as the coyote dancing by the host boys. 2 of them are very muscular and can fit right in jupiter or moonlight model, and one can definitely be in the one (ex-tawan). Crowd wise, not as packed as during peak season but it is still lively, while there are some empty seats outside, inside circus seems packed. On the other side, quite a good crowd as well. And this is on a Wednesday night. Tonight, my friend want to visit bars that has the most good looking and muscular manly guys, so its a no brainer that bar will be Jupiter. We enter jupiter around 10.15pm. Waiter seated us at one of the stools at the back. Not the best seat but not the worst. Ordered our drink and their singer, if i recall correctly, poppy, was singing tonight. Not long after, mamasan who knew me saw me and my friend, and proceed to offer us the vip seats up, the very front seat near the left of the stage. Without wasting my time, i asked mamasan if my guy is available and he went to call him for me. Once he appear, all smiles, ordered his drink and we continue to enjoy the singing. I asked if he will go with me tonight and he said yes. At some point, he said he need to go for catwalk, which means the show is about to start. He participated in the same number as before. Although this time, i saw the two ladies sitting in front of us are flirting with him. At this point, i havent pay off fee yet. As soon as mamasan asked me, i told him im offing my guy. We stay throughout the show since it is my friend first time in jupiter. We thoroughly enjoyed gossiping about the guys that my friend likes. In the end, we left after the show, and we say goodbye at the mouht of soi 4. Replenish some supplies in 7e across the road and off we go to our hotel to discuss about skin care and what not. Even better service deliver the second time and he even hinted that he is available for other things like travelling to other places. I wouldve jump on the opportunity had i not already have someone planned already for my phuket trip. Maybe next trip.

Agree with @a-447 that you shouldnt made that assumption that brothers will be similar in anyway. Doesnt have to look far to see if any two siblings are similar or different. I consider myself very different than any of my siblings hehe.

If he is interested in bars and would like to visit mahanakhon, bar crawl offered by standard hotel is worth a try.

Yes. I wont go in otherwise. The only exception is legit place like prime during peak period. Low season, even prime allow me to choose from a very limited selection through ipad pic.

Thats how grindr works

U know u could very well tell them to not wake you up for meals. Or tell them to wake u up for meals at certain times, like 1 hour before descend

Previously, there is one guy who wont go with girls too. Life is fair hehe.

After my Jupiter guy left with his very deserving tip, i went back to my room to go back to sleep. I guess its my body natural way to say i should rest. When to prime around noonish and able to get a slot right away, so another 2 hour oil massage. Perk of low season i guess, no need to queue to get a good quality massage at prime. I just realized i didnt put the day on my reports. I arrived on Sunday night and today is Tuesday. So, most of my bar visits are during weekday. After another great massage at Prime, i went to MBK for lunch and a bit of window shopping. I also message Prestige massage, trying to book a session with one masseur that i fancy, but they reply that the masseur is only available 3pm onward on Friday. Since ive been eyeing for this masseur for a while, since i first saw him in Aurora, i booked him for a 2 hour session on Friday, 5pm. Then back to hotel to freshen up, and wait for the arrival of another forum member. We first met in thailand, to be more specific, in dreamboy old location lol. He will arrived around 8pm so i volunteer to meet him at his hostel near national stadium and head for dinner together before hitting the bar. We actually met at the national stadium bts station so i went to his hostel just to see how it is. Quite a cosy hostel lobby, with cafe at the lobby. I didnt go up but was told that the ladies are on 2nd floor and the guys at 3rd floor, by asian standard as is G then 2nd and 3rd floor. Room is 4 pax per room with whole floor sharing a communal bathroom/shower area. The hostel is called siam stadium hostel. Apparently the hostel is cruisy, with actions happening in shower and room. Anyway, after checked in, we had dinner near siam paragorn, then we went to silom for our bar visit. Since ive only visited jupiter, dreamboy and moonlight, i let him choose our next location. He was undecided but wanted a bar with muscle guy and revealing show, so i suggested we go to the one (formerly known as tawan) Shows was about to start when we entered. Id say quite a good crowd, not full but i think at least 6-8 groups of customers, and their guys will fill the empty seats near you if there is any. There is even one very beautiful asian girl in the audience, sitting in the center opening a bottle with 3 guys sitting with her. I immediately noticed T, a guy ive offed previously and he is unfortunately sitting with the girl. Since i do have a company, and want to enjoy the show first, i didnt try to make eye contact. Show was as raunchy as before, with chuck wow show, SnM show with hot melted wax from the candle poured into very exposed ass, flexing show by very well built body builder, and intermittent shows by the ladyboy. Overall, very enjoyable shows if you like body builder type guys. Apart from T, 3-4 other guys i dont mind offing on days where i dont find anyone better. Im glad that The One is still maintaining the Tawan spirit despite the name change. Still one of a kind bar in bangkok for those who love muscular body builder type manly guys. Of course, there are guys who is either bulking, or no longer in shape, but several are still maintaining their figures. After a while, T noticed me and make eye contact with me but didnt come to me since he saw that im with someone. At some point, i went out of the bar to answer a call, and not long after, T appear. I say hi and asked if he want to go with me tonight, and he said yes. We went inside, i told my friend that im offing T, paid off fee to mamasan, and says our goodbye. I asked T if he has his car but he said, no, only his motorcycle, so off we went to back to hotel with his bike.

If you havent off the boy*

New jupiter hire seems to be a better gamble, maybe not too spoiled yet by their popularity hehe. I cant say i know for sure why i havent off him. Its me being me, picky and wanting to get guys who are more muscular, more manly i suppose? And bangkok is never short of this type. Im sure one day ill off him. Off fee 500 baht, Yes. Especially if you are not planning to stay for the show. Once, i have even skipped the entrance fee by not going inside and ask them to call mamasan for me, he call my boy and i paid mamasan off fee. But ive only does this once and ive been to the bar few times previous nights. It is to off someone ive offed before, so no guessing. If you have off the boy, for me, buying a drink is worth it to at least check your chemistry. In jupiter, mamasan will tell you what the guy is asking for ST. As mentioned by jason1975, most of the time, its 3k but some guys do ask more while some wont even go with guys.

The data gathering can be as quick as visiting 4 random "legal" massage place and being offered sex services in 3 of them. Thats 75% lol.

As mentioned earlier, ive contact several forum members prior to my trip and tonight's dinner is the first of such meet. So far, we have met at least once each time im in bangkok for dinner and exchange of stories as we both loves massages from strong guys hehe. We decided to meet at G Bangkok for dinner and and the owner is there to chat up with us with world politics topic. I also learned that a new massage place just opened near my hotel, called prestige massage. Added the line of this place and saw that they seems to be operated either by the same owner of aurora massage or at least try to imitate the same vibe. Putting this massage place as things to check out list hehe. After dinner, we part ways, and i went to patpong one and only hotmale beer bar to say hi to P, one of the waiter there that ive had hots for. Ive never off him though, as for me, he is more of a border case, but i wouldnt mind having him near me whenever im in his bar. He speaks quite good english too. Around 10ish or so, made my way to soi 4 again to go to Jupiter. As with many members here, i have a love-hate relationship with Jupiter. I love their boys line up, love their shows, love their bar setup and love the fact that the bar is usually full, so you wont get disturbed by mamasan much. However, my experience in the offing department was mediocre on average. Most of the time, I didnt off any of their boys. The last few boys ive off there was someone ive known or off at other bars before, so it is a known quality. Ive had few times bought drinks for several boys there but it didnt materialize due to multiple reasons, like, not available for long time, no chemistry, etc. So whenever i visit Jupiter, Ive always has low expectation and if i strike out, would try to visit other bars once the few guys i wanted had been offed by others. Anyway, after paying the ticket, 500 baht, i was ushered in and a mamasan i knew from before, recognize me and immediately gave me a sit on the seat facing the stage in the middle, sharing with one other customer. Great sit as i can see the stage clearly and not too close to the stage. After my drink arrived, mamasan starts asking which guy i like and saying they have many new guys now. I started scanning the stage and im as always, very impressed with the selection. Noticed few Jupiter veterans for sure but id say more than half are new to me, since my last visit in December 2023. Right before the show starts, all the guys will first do a model catwalk, one by one, and each guy will gets a good air time for all customers to see him in all his glory. While the bars isnt fully packed, it is quite full, with guys already being picked by customers to sit and drink with them. I immediately noticed one guy who ive never seen before, but to my eye, has the best body from the entire line up, manly face, with bit of acne scar, adding to the manliness. Knowing how things work in Jupiter, i immediately call mamasan, and asked if he can call him for a drink with me. Yes, in Jupiter, u definitely need to be quick if you want to make sure you get your guy, as the good ones always get picked early and offing rate in Jupiter is quite high. After the model catwalk finished, my guy came to me, wai to me and order his drink. Mamasan said this guy can speak good english. A great start. And he smiles right away when he sit. Another great sign. Start with some introductory conversations and he is from myanmar, only been working for 1 month. His english is definitely above average. And he said he couldnt speak thai so he is relying on his english to communicate. We did get to the ever so important question, will he go with me, he said yes. And do you do long time, he didnt understand this term, maybe coz he is new in thailand? So i said overnight and he says yes. In my mind, I already decided to off him but we havent reached the monetary compensation discussion yet before he excused himself for the next model walk, and didnt return for a while. But mamasan assure me that he will return. Shows has already started but of course, my attention was on my guy hehe. After the second model walk, and one other number, i saw my guy came on stage doing a number where one ladyboy, the skinny darker skin older looking one, wearing tight black leather outfit, and 4 other guys, in black underwear holding the 4 metal chains hanged from the ceiling. Definitely a sexy number with all 4 manly muscular guys flexing their body while flirting with the lady boy. The fact that the guy im about to off is in it is a cherry on top. Before he returned to me, mamasan asked if i want to off him, coz another customer already asked about him. I hesitate at first since we havent discussed compensation but mamasan said to me his ST tips which is quite reasonable for Jupiter, so that definitely makes it easier for me to say yes to mamasan, ill off him. Not long after that, he appear to sit. We settled on the LT compensation and i told him i would like to stay a bit more to see the show but he can change to his street clothes. Shows continue until 11.40ish, and ends with the last model catwalk, this time only by guys who are still available. We left for our hotel. I asked if he wants something to eat and he says lets go to 7-11. Went to the one across the road from soi 4 and off we went to our hotel. All i can say is his service is beyond my expectation. Though i set low expectation for Jupiter guy, he definitely made me happy with my decision that night. Fact that he can converse in english helps a lot too. He stays all the way until we have breakfast together. Plenty of other small things that i could list but in short, i feel that the chemistry is great.

For them to be able to come out with the statistic, a significant effort on data gathering mustve happened. Wish i was there to contribute to the statistic, at least on male masseurs lol

I like any competition with cute manly muscular men. And gymnastic and diving are the main events lol

Hope their rate can rival superrich in bangkok or at least TT exchange in pattaya

Hopefully, this effort will improves the massage skills of the masseurs in those 75% illegal shop too.

Not sure if there is distinction in the way it was thrown? A bundle of money thrown to make it raining baht maybe less rude than crumpling each notes like a ball and throwing it one by one

My stay in Furama Sathorn includes breakfast for 2 and I usually will have breakfast with the guy im with. After our morning gymnastic, I mentioned about breakfast but J said he is not hungry, but will accompany me to see whats on the buffet. We went downstairs and true enough, he didnt feel like eating so we say our goodbye. After breakfast, i went back to hotel room for my much needed beauty sleep. Woke up around noonish, and thought that i should pay a visit to my fav massage place, Prime. At the counter, was told that slot available is at 1.30pm. since i have around 1.5hr before that, decided to go to Maha massage nearby for a session. A bit of backstory on maha massage. Someone recommended to me a masseur there, who would be my type. Yesterday night, when i was doing my first walk-around silom, i noticed a well built, smaller frame guy wearing a yellow shirt when passing prime on my way to Surawong side before heading to dreamboy. So, it was a no brainer for me when i saw him in front of maha massage, so i immediately go inside with him escorting me, taking a 90min session of full body oil massage. After paying the fee upfront at the counter, my masseur showed me the my room, two level up. The room is equipped with a massage bed but without the head hole, so it wasnt my preferred set up, but still better than massage on a thin mattress on the floor. There is also a small shower inside the room. I rinsed for a bit, and he went outside to prepare the oil. Later, i find out that he is in fact the same guy that was recommended to me after i learnt his name. Massage was a mix of strong and sensual, although he started fully clothed. He did hinted that he is available for hotel visit as well. Towards the end of the massage, he proposed extra service, i asked how much, he says his price, i counter and he agreed, and he changed to his birthday suit. I left very satisfied indeed and we ended on time. I headed to Prime for my customary legit massage session, 2 hour oil massage. Another well executed massage, and it was so relaxing that i almost dozed off a few times. As expected, nothing was offered. Now that my body as been fully pampered, time to pamper my tummy, so i head to mango tree for their pad thai, mango sticky rice and coconut juice. Delicious indeed. I head back to hotel for a rest before heading out for dinner and bar visits tonight.