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I've just been googling, I haven't been there but i believe this is it (@hojacat can confirm?) https://maps.app.goo.gl/YdVBHYLLxBuzeZYf8 http://www.shan-yue.com/EN/home/Default.asp

Amazing, great writing! I genuinely hope you will have more to come from Saigon. HCM is so very high on the list of places I have wanted to explore deeper for some time now. It does have a scene that hides just below the surface, but not knowing the viet culture or language it has felt just out of reach when i visited. I'm sure if I spent the time to really research it could pay great dividends.

I have thought about this a lot recently. I've been a P4P guy since my early-mid 20s (now mid-late 30s) and it's never really been about not being able to get it for free, paying just provides more opportunities with less time wasted, rather than just being another horny guy on the apps begging for a taste. I travel specifically for the purpose of exploring P4P and cruising spaces, I find it more honest to just offer an exchange rather than going on dates that I have no intention of following up on just for sex when i'm in other countries. I do sometimes date outside of the P4P scene, but recently i've been thinking that if i'm going to get in to a long-term relationship they might need to share the same hobby as me.

I have only done it a couple of times. I had a situation where i rented an airbnb but the building by-laws prohibited short time rental so the building manager would follow me around every time i was coming in and out, it was a minor inconvenience and the owners fault they weren't respecting the building restrictions, but still was a bit annoying.

I don't date from bars, but from my experience with every group of gay guys i've ever met. It will turn into a problem, jealousy, and headaches for you. Tread carefully if you like the bar and/or the guy.

careful, I might find myself walking into kings castle by accident and wake up questioning everything

Ok thanks, I did find myself in the bar I was intending then. I even walked through there the next day looking at the stairs thinking, which one did I go up last night, I didn't even drink much, I was just on autopilot. There were probably about 40 guys in stage, but really not many twinky twinks that night, that made me start to doubt where i was. An asian guy I spotted in the elevator at my hotel had 2 amazingly hot guys with him, i regret not asking which bar he was at, but didn't want to make the elevator ride awkward for him.

"The restaurant of choice for degenerates the distinguished gentleman" - Michelin Guide 2025

Ok, this is a question I probably deserve to be ridiculed over, but genuinely cannot figure out if I was in Freshboys or Hotmale the other night. I went up the stairs and at the top of the stairs I turned left into the bar, with the stand seating on the wall to my right that wrapped around the stage. The guys were in white short shorts. The reason I'm asking is that last time I was in Freshboys I could have sworn it was straight ahead at the top of the other set of stairs with a slightly different layout, but I don't recall hearing anything about Freshboys moving locations in the last year and i think i took the wrong staircase but i was not sober/thinking so i didn't look at the signs. Was I in Freshboys or Hotmale? can anyone help shed light on if I'm going crazy or not haha. Either way, good selection of guys, mostly slim-fit types, erotic show with a good amount of skin on show, and a packed crowd. The guy i took off was very sweet and amazing, but more to come on that when the trip is over and i write a report.

I did 1 day of Songkran and have been sick since, maybe unrelated, but assuming wet clothes for hours didn't do me well. I think i'll stick to bkk and let pattaya have their fun to themselves for the additional half a week of splashing

Is the water splashing over in Silom now? I've been in Pattaya but i got sick on day 1 so have had to rest and recover and avoid getting wet (as much as possible). going up to bangkok tomorrow, so i'll likely miss the action i'm guessing.

The exact amount of time it takes to get to my hotel, both shower, do the deed and shower/pay. If I want more than that i'll do LT.

yeah, either could be right. the mind of a mamasan is a complex mystery 😂

I was thinking it could be that the customer had already prearranged to see the smaller guy so mamasan tried to divert attention from him

Rough night. you win some you lose some, hopefully the rest of the trip goes better

I usually walk slowly through the bars and take up the offer to sit at one of the bars in the middle of the row, order a drink and sit somewhere that i can see the surrounding bars and look for where i'm going next. You should expect the guys catcalling you as you walk around asking you to come for a drink, some will try to pull you into their bar, some will just smile and wave as you walk by. For the first time it can feel a bit overwhelming but smile and take it all in. If you sit with a guy but decide to keep looking a small tip 100B is usually a good idea. The mamasan (manager) will usually hover around asking for a drink and/or a tip as well, if you feel like it you can buy them a drink but if they're being annoying just say not right now. It can help to have the mamasan on side, especially if you plan to be a regular at that bar and need their help to translate or find a guy that meets your needs. Ask the guy you like to sit with you for a drink, confirm what you're looking for and ask how much they expect, pay the bill to the bar = you drink(s), his drink(s), his fee to leave the bar (off fee). If you take a guy back to your hotel, then in the room after your services you pay his fee that you confirmed with him. Short time (ST) = he leaves after service, Long Time (LT) = usually overnight, the prices can vary from guy to guy and bar to bar so it's better to just ask him rather than assume.

Speaking of short time rooms.. Has anyone used the ST room at freshboy? What is it like, clean? condoms and lube supplied? price? My next trip I have some friends that don't know what i get up to staying in the same hotel, so considering giving ST rooms a try to make things easier. Either that or maybe I'll switch hotels and make up an excuse.

Just doing some research and thought i'd share, I found a tour on tiktok, it's in thai but gives an idea of the layout.

1/0? it looks like just sauna, but I'm not sure yet.

Looks like they spent some money on the fitout, the photos on instagram look nice and location being directly across from LM couldn't be better. The real test will be if they can attract a local crowd or will prices dictate a tourist only venue. I'll check it out on my next visit in a month or so and report back.

That last one is very much my type, wonder if he's a working guy? just be wary of accounts using fake pictures to scam people, 'joined recently' can be a indicator of that

The busier than usual hotels might have something to do with Pattaya Music Festival, I think it starts this weekend and runs for 3 weekends.

the threesome experience with 2 guys from the same bar has been a little underwhelming for me, in the bar they will seem all for it, but in the room one seems to always get shy about it. It's still always been a good time, but keep expectations low

I've always been impressed with the Japanese agency model, the convenience and accessibility is great. I also like that they have index sites like https://tokyo-gay.com/index.html#23 and i know there are some craiglist-like freelancer sites for the M4W crowd, but i'm sure they exist for M4M as well. I'd pay to access a service like that in Thailand, professional photos, basic stats/body type, availability and the ability to book online easily without back and forth over Line. Stats-wise, i think everything listed is useful, but a recent photo and position/orientation is the main deciding factor for me. The japanese style profiles going into hobbies and likes/dislikes as well as reviews is nice to have, but not essential. It's not a technically difficult thing to setup and maintain a app or website like that, i think the problem is the legal aspect in Thailand, finding a payment processor that will do business with you there for that use case and possibly the reluctance of guys to publicly advertise.

yeah points value has been steadily decreasing, all part of the design to get people to use them and not have it burning a hole in their balance sheet I try not to worry about it too much, if i can subsidise a stay by using half points half cash or sometimes a full points, then i feel like i'm still better off than i was. Holding onto points seems to me like a waste, like cash in the bank slowly being eaten away by inflation.