SolaceSoul

This is certainly not unique to São Paulo or anywhere in Brazil. A known (by “known”, that means “on the record”) sex worker would have serious problems working in the legitimate film, TV or fashion industries in North America and most of Europe. That doesn’t mean that some more discreet unpublished sex workers haven’t slipped by the guards. Any here who remembers Ye Olden Days of NYC and LA, where aspiring models and actors would visit certain hustler bars with upper-scale clients like Rounds in Manhattan or Numbers in Hollywood, would know that several of those boys — who became the boys du jour of Calvin Klein, Bruce Weber, David Geffen, Barry Diller, Karl Lagerfeld, Gianni Versace, Seymour Stein, etc., ended up getting legitimate low-, mid- and some high-profile entertainment and fashion industry work. The common thread is that the golden tickets have comparably short expiration dates. The rides are not available forever. The savvy boys understand that they must attend to the more well-heeled and well-connected sugar daddies and clients, sacrificing the others, during the “hot period” of interest or else that ship will sail. Just like Father Time, sugar daddies with plenty of options and disposable income can be very fickle and unforgiving.

Slight correction: The “elite boys” at São Paulo’s Lagoa shun foreigners and non-paulistas of modest or slightly-above-average means.

The (second) oldest trick in the book!

Don’t worry about their tales. Just give what you want, when you want, how much you want, in exchange for what you want, and only what you can afford to lose, and everyone will be happy.

luis@gaycubatourguide.com

A book for the ages (the result of a very meticulously researched, and very gay, dissertation project) that should be read by all followers of this forum.

The running joke between my friends and me (which combines all of the stories the boys tell us together in one excuse) is “Grandma was in a motorcycle accident and is in the hospital.” Note: these motor vehicle accidents, hospital stays, and operations always seem to occur on a Friday, the start of the weekend!

It can be fun to listen to and share the gossip. Just remember that, just as he is spilling other garotos’ tea With you, most certainly he is spelling and inquiring about your tea to other gossipy garotos and clients. Act accordingly.

It’s fun to witness you discover these things like a child opening Christmas gifts for the very first time. A rule: the GPs lurk. The GPs also gossip. Some gossip with, share with and learn from other, while others prefer to keep the info that they gleaned and learned for their own personal benefit. Now, that you discovered this, act accordingly, and hopefully, you will be circumspect and strategic and what you say to them and publicly (as in in the main sauna rooms) do. A corollary: in case you didn’t know, clients also lurk. And gossip. Not only about the garotos to other garotos and clients, but also about other clients to other clients and garotos. If this matters to you, then it is doubly important to be circumspect with what you say and do with all parties there.

When your Roget’s Thesaurus is overworked but your Google machine is broken:

This meme should it explain it for you, in a nutshell (and it doesn’t need to use a lot of big, fancy words to prove how smart it is)!

Don’t take the garoto’s use of “irmão”, or even the American-English word “brother”, too literally. So many of them who are BFFs will call each other “irmão” or “brother” or even “hermano” when there is no blood relation. You will see these words and hashtags a lot on their IG or FB pages when discussing each other.

My Google requests to correct the address and move the map marker for Aurora Net Lan House Internet cafe have been hereby granted.

For the love of God, can you for once just chill? It is NOT the Fenix Lan House Internet cafe on Av. Vieira de Carvalho. It is the Internet cafe right next to Eros, the adult video store around the corner on Rua Aurora. If you notice from the photos that I painstakingly posted, there is an Internet cafe next to Eros. The Google Map pinpoint suggests that there is an Internet cafe ACROSS Rua Aurora called Aurora Net Lan House, but in reality, it is NOT across the street! It is next door, just as I said. If you notice, in Google Maps, the numbers on the street address to both Eros and Aurora Net are one and the same: 772 — except one (Eros) says it is on Aurora, and the other (Aurora Net) says it is on Vieira de Carvalho. 772 Av. Doutor Vieira de Carvalho does not exist. This avenue runs from 10 at the end of Praça do República to 109, which is up the block across from Largo do Arouche Park — about 2 city blocks away. Clearly, this is an error! A Google Maps error. They will investigate and correct it eventually if someone bothers to report it. Eros the adult video store and Aurora Net Lan House the Internet cafe are probably sister businesses owned by the same proprietor — which explains why there is both adult video peep shows, Internet and sex work going on at the same address.

And for further clarification, you’ll notice that the small hanging red neon signs read, “Internet”.

I am fairly certain that this Internet cafe with hustlers is right next to the small adult theatre Eros Cine Video on Rua Aurora, which is next to the red corner building (restaurant) posted in Riobard’s incorrect photo. The Internet cafe might be named Aurora Net Lan House, but I am not sure and I don’t think anyone knows its name! It has a small red neon “Internet” sign hanging in the front. This is a better, more accurate photo.

I remember the conversation a bit differently. The most recent one about Chili Pepper (in which you and I both participated) had users that have Been there at least once — with most giving it unfavorable reviews. Comments regarding not only about the unattractiveness of the customers, but also a general feeling of lack of safety and expressed intent never to return by several trusted regular posters here were made. To me, that says “caveat emptor!” (Buyer Beware!), all day long. Were there any express remarks about the lighting in the place, the off-putting smell, or the labyrinth-like setup? No, but if after all the negative reviews, the only things that may have prevented you from going are those things, then perhaps that should be expressed. A search on Google would’ve rendered this GayCities page with comments such as these (the very things you mention here that concern you): “basically a huge darkroom where it's fairly difficult to figure out who's the owner of the hand that's touching you”, “A little bit dark and dirty.. Seems to be a place without someone to manage properly”. Nighttours reviews in the comments: “Place smells like ass in some areas that could use some hygiene”, “Horrible, no customer service, bartenders unfriendly,I got robbed by the cleaner”. “https://saopaulo.gaycities.com/bathhouses/304482-chilli-pepper-hrs For the record, I don’t care much for saunas without garotos, dark rooms, or off-putting smells — but if there were extraordinarily fine (not just average) men in the joint (which Chili Pepper doesn’t have, by most reports), I’d gladly suffer through! Regarding the safety of the area, the hotel/sauna is on the edge of the Santa Cecília and República neighborhoods — both are particularly dodgy and dicey at night. The Largo do Arouche Avenue (where Chili Pepper is on) that runs through Republica is well-known for lower-end, at-your-own-risk gay hustler and trans hooker cruising, and the Praça de República area can be a mix of street urchins, hustlers, travelers, locals and muggings. It’s not exactly for The Uninitiated! That being said, as I am very initiated into that “fraternity”, I enjoy staying in that area — as it is very convenient, a main Metro station is right there, there are a few lower-end gay bars and establishments in the Republica area as well as some very decent hotels.

You really should have first done a search on this forum. There was just recently a conversation about Chili Pepper and it was mostly described the way you just did (for better or for worse). So, if that wasn’t your speed, then you wouldn’t have had to waste your time. As for non-garoto saunas, I know there are a few in Sampa, like Wild Thermas. However, as non-payboy saunas aren’t really my thing, I have not been to any in the many trips I have made to São Paulo. One or two of my travel buddies did go to Wild Thermas and they both said they enjoyed it. Did you at least check the Vamosgay site first? It lists saunas and sex parlors in Samoa, and their site tends to stay up-to-date. I believe this list was last updated in April 2017: http://vamosgay.com/latin-america/brazil/sao-paulo/gay-saunas-cinemas-and-sex-clubs-of-sao-paulo-brazil/

^^^ Not familiar with “Davison”. Does he have an ad somewhere? I will be in Madrid shortly. is this more appropriate for the European forum? Is he South American as well?

He’s originally from Rio but he now lives in Porto, Portugal with his Brasiliero boyfriend l, who also turns tricks. I am almost positive that he is currently in Portugal, and they were only back in Brazil for Carnaval festivities. They’ve moved around all over Europe since the move. They both run ads, sometimes together, sometimes separately. They used to run s joint as in Rio until they moved to Portugal a few years ago. BF is muscular like he, a bit shorter, some tats, and hairier. Some may prefer the BF. They are both hot but if I had to choose, I prefer George’s look. According to very good inside intel European sources (with impeccable credibility), they both have gained a bad rep for stealing from clients, and bother risky behavior and practices — so, buyer beware.

Those in this category will simply be used for tertiary sources of mad money when The Local Sugar Daddy (o papaizinho local) is unavailable or says “não” to that new pricey electronic toy or designer sneakers. That’s what Western Union, and more lately, PayPal, Cash App, Venmo, Xoom, Google Pay, Apple Pay and Facebook Messenger Pay are for!

This was still going on a little in Lagoa as of 2015 with one particular aspiring, perhaps even working, supermodel and a few well-heeled Paulistinho greybeards. And in 117 in Rio, there were 1-2 as late as 2015 that were spotted clothing-only, “exclusively” speaking with a supposedly higher-end client. However, by mid-2016, those two garotos were in towel and available to other clients (although their prices were on the higher end of the spectrum). Disclaimer, for those of you dizzy, ditzy gringos who are thinking they could pull this off, too: the clients that these “exclusive” GPs met also did not disrobe — however, they did not meet any other garotos during their visit. It was clear that these were pre-arranged meetings. You are probably NOT going to meet and hookup with these guys just by keeping your slacks and button-down shirt on at the sauna.

Not to mention, he is traveling alone from Australia! The airport bus is a good option in the morning if you have an extra 90 minutes to spare to get to Zona Sul.

Yeah, some of them actually do consider it some kind of a strange social class / pecking order thing — that only going with clients in suites indicated that you are a high-class or an expensive ho. It’s more about the garoto not wanting to be seen by others going into a lesser room than anything else. I’ve encountered several who refuse to do business in cabins but rooms are fine, although they would prefer a suite. However, I’ve never met one that insisted on a suite. Normally, they would “settle” for a regular room. Regarding those strippers, great choices.

I’d hope that your sauna presence is far more tolerable than your pretentious, overcompensating one here. After all, it would be really difficult for you to talk so much with a big, hard uncut dick down your throat.