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I was there with newly arrived other member last Sunday night. At 11.00 pm. It was already very crowded and become more so every few minutes. At midnight about half of customers, rushed to the toilets to change to wearing just underwear.
Squeezing through such a crowd to get to the bar in the back was both very pleasant and very uncomfortable at the same time. Yes, performances are interactive to a degree. One of performers was First2 whom I follow on X so 100 baht somehow found it's, way to his undies. Music deafening so conversation close to impossible.
As for quality of performers, while no doubt attractive, we both agreed thet esthetics are better in Jupiter hands down. Others may not agree so my advice is boringly repetitive - go and see for yourself.
Crowd mostly young and in packs of friends but nobody minded presence of that unattractive antic i. e. myself..
Definitely not an experience for claustrophobic. Admission of 800 ( 500 if you adhere to just underwear dress code ) includes 2 drinks, if you will manage to squeeze to the bar to get those. We were happy we came to see and equally happy to leave about 30 mins past midnight. Shows later at night may be more fleshy I suspect but it's just me.

I'm trying to convince Reader to post again, giving the reason mentioned here....in the meantime he texted me this, since I asked for an update on the masaasge places since I'm fixing ( @BjornAgain a Texan expression for ya) to head to that side of the world.


About Sun Massage on Silom Soi 6 (first shop on right as you enter from Silom rd.). It's my favorite in Silom because of the variety of nationalities represented (Lao, Vietnam, Myanmar and Thai). Unlike most other shops that tend to be single origin, Sun features an ASEAN approach. Many downright handsome guys of all types with the bodies to match. Rooms have massage tables and en suite shower. One hour 500 baht shop fee.
In Saphan Kwai, you can count on frequent turnover as newbies arrive and some rotate home. The wealth of talent remains impressive. If you venture out to shops on Sutthisan road, you become aware your in a thickly settled neighborhood environment that I find fun to experience. Plenty of good food vendors and small eateries in welcoming atmosphere.
The first you come to One Spa. It's a 24/7 operation on four floors. Rooms run from basic mattress on floor to VIP and some LT suites. Usually a half dozen or so guys hanging around. 450 baht shop fee for standard room.
In addition to the well publicized shops that post regularly on LINE, there's an assortment of local Thai shops that function pretty much the same with all Thai staffs. I've sampled a few and found that you can have good results but recommend a bit more discretion. I believe the best way to proceed with these shops is look for a guy you like and don't be afraid to smile first. It it's returned, you're on your way to a new adventure.
The first local shop I tried is on the short Soi leading to STARS massage. It on your right side and there always some cute guys outside.
The second is on the same Soi where Loveboy is located. Actually there are two on right side and frequently guys are hanging around outside. I stumbled upon the first guy when I was headed to LB and returned his smile.
At the end of that Soi you'll find 39 Underground Sauna. This is very popular with locals and there's no restrictions on clientele. Although I haven't used it, have read favorable reviews on forum of those who did.
Just to right of sauna entrance is a coffee shop known as 39 Hornet. Operated by same owner as sauna, it serves up fine coffees and pastry. And if you venture upstairs you find yourself in a maze that kindled memories of Babylon's legendary Garden of Earthly Delights but minus the naked part. It's pitch black except when you go to third floor where it opens into a veranda of sorts facing rear of building.
One last note. If I owe anything to my sauna success it's this: don't hesitate to make the first move. Otherwise you risk wasting precious time.

Oooh I suspected it might've had to do with you-know-who. I've heard that more than a few posters have either left or been disincentivised from posting on the various gay Thailand fora because of him. If I were Reader or any of those posters, I'd let the nitpicking and criticisms slide off like water on a duck's back. That's hard to do sometimes but in my opinion letting the bully and his sycophants take away your voice is worse. One thing I've learned in nearly a quarter of century of posting on gay Thailand fora - off and on - is that my credibility is not determined by the colonials who try to suppress me and what I have to say - their time has come and gone - but by the quality of what I have to say and my confidence in saying it. And even if a little of what I've had to say has been useful or helpful to someone else, then it would have all been worth it.

Yes and yes

what about massage reviews as per original tittle?

I spoke to Reader and he texted me this the other day:


Saphan Kwai indeed going strong as @macaroni21 says. I'm up there about five times weekly when I'm in town. Here's a capsule report:
It's about a 25-minute trip from Sala Deang (47 baht each way with change of train at Siam). Lots of ice candy both ways.
My most frequent stop is LoveBoy (formerly Phetboy) Massage. Large roster of Lao, Myanmar, Thai and occasional Vietnam guys.
Second favorite is 15M Masssage with somewhat smaller but well curated selection.
Third is Star Masssage with not dissimilar crew.
All of the above are no more than 5 minute walk from BTS stop. Loveboy and 15M shop fee is 400 for one-hour oil. Minimum tip is 1,000 baht with a handful a boy higher. Fee to the shop is 400 baht.
Star shop fee starts at 500 and escalates with type of room. Minimum tip also 1,000.
Loveboy is open 24/7 and other two I believe close at midnight.
It's been my experience that Loveboy and 15M are most likely to have guys hanging around shop during evening hours. Star not so much.
You can reserve guy you see on websites on same day without paying deposit.
Other shops I've visited include One Spa (15 minute walk), KMan Spa (5 minute walk), 27M, Home Spa and Phoenix (all about 25 minute walk). Shop fees range from 450-500) with minimum tips in1000 to 1200 range.
There's another small shop, BT House, about a 20 minute walk, on same road (Sutthisan).
I encourage visitors to sample the shops in Saphan Kwai.
And for the record, my favorite shop in Silom is Sun Massage on Silom soi 6.
Hope that helps!
Thanks to Floridarob for passing it along.

Yes, I wouldn't take a single review as gospel especially one that tells others to avoid a venue. To state the obvious, perceptions are highly subjective and we need a range of reviews to form a sliver of objective opinion. Better yet, go to the venue and experience it for yourself. Recently, @aaroninatl totally slagged off the Bupphachat Host Bar in Chiang Mai telling readers to "avoid, avoid, avoid" the venue without providing the slightest bit of explanation as to why despite requests from his followers. I thought that was a bit unfair to the venue, more so as his was the only report of a visit to the bar in this forum to date.

That's completely opposite to my experience, albeit that it was just one visit and a few years ago. Hope it hasn't gone downhill.
The thing about reports and reviews is that to make sense, we really need multiple reports over time. For what I think is a less-frequented place like Fafa, this may be lacking.
Same with the Saphan Khwai places. Ever since reader left this board, we haven't had many reports. He was a regular patron of those places. Yet, by all impressions from their social media, they're going strong.

to answer your question it was either 2 times by conventional count or 4 times by way I'm counting my trips.
My both trips to Thailand were broken by visit to Singapore , Vietnam and Cambodia in January and by short trip to Cambodia in July. So I left home for Thailand twice but actually entered Thailand 4 times .
I wouldn't be so quick to summarize year of which 25 % is still to go with at least 26 draws of 6/49 but so far for me year was good and hoping for more of good stuff in the coming 14 or so weeks before 2026 will be over for good.
I did not even started to think about Jan 2027 trip announced two years ago when after not so good trip I swore to give myself break with Thailand for good while but it did not work way intended and Thanks God for that.

Should I b ashamed of never hearing the name Kmann?
Do they really have an explicit sexual menu?

I wanted to say the same but you were first !

I suspect before that materializes many of us will be more interested in on what days, adult diapers, are 40% off. 

Some even talk about stamp collecting.... from what I've read.

Thank you for the warning.
 
So do I. Yours are the only trip updates I bother to follow. 🤣😂😅

I wish I could say the same

He is worried about getting caught by the authorities for being an illegal alien yet he chooses to stay in Silom where it's the first place the authorities will look for illegal aliens? And he thinks paying the bar a 78-day off fee is a feasible idea? Hmmm...I think he and the mamasan may have struck a deal...
By your own admission you seem to know very little about Thailand and even less the snake pit of Patpong which is an aberration to the norm. You've spent most of your time in Thailand in the fleshpots of Bangkok and, other than the lovely Thai family who seem to really care for you, don't seem to have any other Thai friends.  Take a long, deep breath and a few steps back - regain some perspective: you're a clueless foreigner living thousands of miles away wrecking your brains thinking of ways to support an illegal alien sex worker thousands of miles away whom you've only known cumulatively for how many days? Someone who's more familiar with the territory than you'll ever be and is playing on his home turf so to speak. 
When their story has too many loose ends and parts that do not make sense, requiring you to defy common sense and make rationalisations to convince yourself that it's true, I feel that it's best to step back, at least for the time being. Wasn't he doing okay before you arrived on the scene? Well, he'll be okay long after you're gone.

In the morning breakfast in Foodland , Jason was already there. Updated us about karaoke preparations.
Lunch at Sarica, again 5 members congregated – Kram,  Ichigo, Jason 1975, Enchanted Elixir and what is his name? oh, I know, vinapu.
We agreed to meet at 8 in Banana outside and go for karaoke from there. I, tormented by jet lag went to hotel, fixed alarm for 7.30 and collapsed on the bed,
 Jason organized everything. It needs to be said it was my first karaoke ever. He offed 3 boys, including one of my Midnight bar favorite hosts P and our congregation met at Banana then we marched to soi 6 to Club where room was ready for us. . We ordered some drinks and Burmese food and singing started.  I was surprised to discover  that all three boys have quite nice voices and their singing went very well. D showed up after a while as well.
 I liked whole experience and I’m eternally grateful to Jason for putting it all together. P kept me company all that time for which he was decently tipped, glad to notice D was not jealous. Rightly so because at end of day it was him who got invited to check my stamp collection again. I sensed P was bit disappointed.
After 3 hours  part was over , we went to Foodland for a late supper.
 At 4 am D announced he needs to go as he needs to pick up his cousin from the airport. I was not happy to hear that and for a moment thought “ is our party over for good with such antics “ but resigned to my fate. Haste to say that , while poorly handled , it was likely legitimate excuse  as our subsequent meetings after I returned to Bangkok  went without glitch .
Breakfast at Foodland, Jason was there already. He is going back home today but we will be meeting in Singapore tomorrow evening we agreed .
 If you recall from day one, I met L at Prince but we couldn’t communicate since because I did not have my phone with me. Luckily today I spotted him on Grindr , messaged him and invited to my room at 5 pm. Greet two hours together. It turned out he lives close to my hotel.  After he left I packed my stuff for tomorrow’s flight to Singapore and decided to leave most of my stuff in suitcase in the hotel. I love to travel light.
At 9pm meeting with ichigo and another member at Banana. It  was time to say good byes to  both, Ichigo  went home as he felt bit under water  and another member and me  trekked to Good Boys. Instantly we become object of attention but today it was offing time for me as I had other ideas. But bought a drink for Burmese boy I offed few times in the past . I keep him in high regard because when he was in Jupiter he has distinction of being first ever Jupiter boy who smiled at me.
After we left I send message to L asking if he is able to return to my room for another round. Answer was immediate and positive and since he lives nearby we both arrived at the lobby at the same time. I needed some consolator before flying to Singapore for the first time in my life in the morning .      
     

After such eventful first day I felt energized even if I already forgot what decent sleep means. Nasty morning news – railway accident near Ubon with crane collapsing on the passing train, reportedly 40 victims. Cleaning lady chased me away from room so I went to XOne to change more money, I like to have pockets full. Lunch with Christian PFC in new Foodland . We talked about Singapore where I’m going in few days. He gave me some leftover money from there.
 In the afternoon I expect guest in the room. Another Grindr massage guy recommended to me by one of our members. In turn I recommended him to another member who was not that much impressed so I was curious who was right. First impression when he showed up – his profile pic on Grindr must be 5 years old if not more . Still looking not bad. I needed that massage and he turned out to be great , well above average . Right coverage and pressure and not inclined to drown me in oil. That part was 5 star. Afters, not so. Very mechanical and clearly there was no spark . We exchanged  Line but I think we both knew it’s in vain. But yes , if I need massage and massage only I’d call him again.
In the evening dinner with Ichigo in Foodland , then to Banana Club in soi 4 for drink outside . Soon one more member joined us and we went inside to see the show – very enjoyable. We distributed few tips. Past midnight I went to hotel, this time alone hoping to get some decent sleep . I even set my lar clock for 11 am in case I sleep that long as I’m changing hotels.
It was not  necessary – I woke up at 7 am .
 Moved from Raya to Baan Silom , it’s where my 3rd floor room stretch started. For lunch finally I tried highly recommended chicken with cashew nuts at Sarica. All those accoladed were correct – that’s the best version in Bangkok so far. Double of Foodland price but so it serving size, probably enough for two if each orders bowls of rice.
Next sudden bout of sleepiness – jet lag ! In hotel I collapsed on the bed but managed to set alarm in the phone. When it rung I did not know where I’m . For moment I thought I’m at home . It took me a while to regain my consciousness , scary stuff.
In the evening  dinner with 3 members at G’s , soon after we started 4th one more joined , Jason 1975 straight from the airport.
Next we checked Circus – my first visit there ever. One of models looked familiar – it turned I observe him on X (Twitter), one of hosts looked familiar too – I offed him few times when he was in Hot Male.
At 10 pm , we went to Jupiter where soon Enchanted Elixir joined us, also fresh from the airport.
Friday night but bar was not packed. Show was great but boys parade – as usual, no smiles , disinterested looks, boy timed during walkabout did not even bothered to look at me during next one.
But esthetics are there – all boys were good looking , at least they keep their standards there.
 After the show whole gang , by that time 6 of us , went to Foodland where we spotted one former member, Jason invited 2 boys for a meal and I asked D to join us In short we threw mini party there.
After festivities everybody went his way , D and me walked to hotel for another night of world peace discussion. Before we parted ways at Foodland Jason suggested we threw out karaoke party in the evening. All applauded   

Greetings from the Land of Smiles!  I am now in Bangkok after spending five days in San Francisco visiting old friends and colleagues.  I do not plan to report as detailed as I did back in October/November, but will share some tidbits along the way.  Since I will be here for seven weeks, a detailed ‘blow by blow’ (pardon the pun) feels like it will be boring and tiresome to read.
Although it was cold and wet in SF, I did enjoy getting to spend time with my friends, eating at some of my favorite restaurants, and even managed to take in a play.  I was shocked by the overall condition of San Francisco these days.  So many businesses have closed.  Entire blocks filled with empty store fronts.  Even the entire Westfield mall in downtown was completely shuttered.  Market Street was more like a ghost town than a bustling hub of excitement and energy.  To be honest, it was quite depressing to see.
Flight on Singapore Airlines was great, although we did experience a fair amount of turbulence the first couple of hours due to that severe weather system hitting California.  The cabin was very comfortable and service exceptional.  I believe I said this on my previous trip as well, but the customer service of Asian carriers is superior to anything you find on US carriers…even in first class.  The long 17+ hour flight went far quicker than I thought, and we actually arrived in Singapore about 30 minutes early.  My connecting gate for Bangkok was in the same terminal and an easy 7 or 8 minute walk.  Could have easily made the short connection, but after being confined for 17 hours it was good to move around and explore the airport.  So much to see and experience.  Flight to Bangkok was a short 90 minutes, although what seems to be more the norm at Suvarnabhumi these days, air traffic control had us circling for a good 15 minutes before the actual landing.  Immigration was packed and seemed to be short on staff.  I opted for the seniors priority lane which only took around 20 minutes.  No problems, and got my stamp for 60 days.  Had to wait less than ten minutes for my luggage to appear, then off to the limo service, S & P, recommended by a forum member.  I used them in October and it was a great experience, so opted to use them again.  Aside from the usual Bangkok traffic, I arrived at the condo and was ready to get settled in.  For the short stay in SF I was living out of my luggage, which I hate.  In the condo I was actually able to unpack, put things away, and get myself organized.  Since my flight arrived at 11am, I was determined to stay awake all day so I would sleep well that first night and my body clock would adjust quicker.  I discovered that trick back in October and it worked well.
You all might remember that I made quite the connection with a therapist from Paradise in October.  We have stayed in touch since then on a somewhat regular basis.  He will usually text once a week.  Most of the time he has initiated the ongoing conversation.  Not once has he asked for anything.  So, it will come as no surprise to  any of you that my first visit on Friday was to Paradise.  He knew my itinerary and was expecting me.  I didn’t really go to the shop for a massage.  The plan was to meet him there, then we went to dinner, followed by a visit to the condo for some male bonding and reconnecting time.  lol.  Was a glorious evening for sure.  Just as good as I remembered…if not better.  He wanted to meet again on Saturday, but my friends who have the condo I am using made plans for us to do some fun stuff around Bangkok for the day.  I didn’t get back to the condo until late and was too tired to venture back out for any entertainment.  I will meet up with him sometime later today or this evening.  May see what other mischief I can cook up this afternoon before meeting him.  Thinking about checking out the new Prestige Sukhumvit location.

What a stupid tittle for trip report – if somebody says that , I won’t blame him . I’d do the same. Still I stick to it. Reason is simple – during my month -long trip which took me to 4 countries of SE Asia I stay in 11 hotels and in 9 of those I was given room on , you guessed it correctly, third floor.
 Arrived at Swampy past midnight. Quite crowded , I was 11th in priority line. By time I cleared immigration and bought SIM card, my luggage popped out so I could go straight to taxi. Driver suggested 500 to Silom, I agreed but said ‘you pay the tolls”, he nodded approvingly. Considering that meter would be 300 plus 50 airport fee plus 75 tolls, that 500 was not that extortionate . In passing I noticed that exchange booths are giving less then 30 baht for a dollar , never seen dollar that low.
 In taxi I contacted D. He is boy I was watching on Grindr and in June spotted him in Dreamboys. Offed him , we hit it one so in Aug he was my companion for most nights. As enthusiastic on 10th meeting as he was on 1st to a degree that I considered D monodiet on Thai part of this trip  but as we learn soon life intervened providing some variety. Few minutes after I entered  my Raya room, one of two this trip NOT on 3rd floor, phone buzzed – D arrived for reunion, smiling and clingy as always. He once said ‘ my body is yours to enjoy” and that says a lot about his attitude.
 In the morning we had breakfast in hotel and then parted ways. My watch stopped at 1.30. , battery dead I thought so went to soi 5 market to see if I can get it fixed. Battery was good, It was mechanism which died after 25 years of service. But it turned new oner can be had for 400 and watch will be ready in 4 hrs. Then to XOne to exchange money. In the afternoon jet lag started to rise its ugly head but I couldn’t sleep. Guardian Angel passed by and suggested I walk to Prince in  Soi Suan Plu 6 so I did. On main street I noticed barbers are charging 150 for haircut  , shop after shop so went in  first without customers and got spruced up.
 In front of Prince , like last time , James whom I saw first time in Arena back in 2013 welcomed me but somehow Guardian Angel told me to check inside who is available. And there he was – L ,another  guy I was watching on Grindr. Not just standing there but smiling at me so my choice was easy. Mamasan talked me to take VIP room , I gladly did , after all it’s my 1st day on month long trip. 1.5 hr. session , I thought I’m in paradise or something. Massage great and guy even better, knowing well his job and sensing why I’m there. Stupidly I left my phone in the room so we couldn’t exchange  Line or WhatsApp.
My only hope was I will find him on Grindr and contact him there or if comes to worst , will return to Prince in day or two. What I secured from L was that he is very willing to do Long Time. It looked that between D and L I will have Bangkok part of tip secured.
In the evening meetup in Foodland with two forum members, talk over dinner and when time came , we all three went to Tawan.
 Bar was full, not that it’s hard task to fill it up, but full it was. It was quite refreshing to be in bar knowing that I ‘m not looking for an off. Of course K planted himself  right beside me so I treated him with drink but told him right away, no offs tonight because I like girls now.
 
After show we parted ways , I went to Dreamboys to see what was going on the scene and of course picked up D  for another round  of stamp collecting.
 
Great start for the trip , that day one.
 
 
 
 

Had to skip the annual trip to Bangkok this year. It would have been finished now anyway. But I sure like Bangkok, heat and humidity excepted, so I do appreciate all of you who share your tales of your trips. Keep the stories coming...and thank you!

I'd say 'for the same kind of room"
on my recent trip I booked room on Agoda in certain Phu Quoc hotel . Few days later my friend upon learning I will be there, booked on Trip.com the same kind of room in the same hotel for about 10$ (1/4) less. I felt jealous but only  up to day of checking in. I received room on 7th floor with the sea view, my friend got identical room on the 1st floor with view of wall of neighboring building. Mystery of price difference was solved 

Oh bend over and take it like a man sweetheart 😚 and...you can use your walking stick to balance !!
Talking about walking sticks I noticed a lot of gay farangs on Jomtien complex carrying walking sticks and even noticed one man and extremely overweight,  looked in his 50's on one of this push walkers , you push the Walker and has a small seat in which I believe this ( fat bastard🫩) wouldn't be able to sit on 
I immediately went over to him and introduced myself , he looked happy and told me he was from the UK and only 52!
I immediately told him he looks 72 and might be good idea to lose the Walker 
I was contemplating on taking it with me forcing him to walk !!🚶‍♂️🚶‍♂️
He had the audacity to ask me to leave him alone ,I immediately accused him of being racist 
 

I think your talking about RELAX💆‍♂️💆‍♂️ massage shop at the back of Tuk com , although I recall a few more near that soi 
Many of the guys are on Grindr as well
A bit difficult to take photos of the boys if they  are sitting outside, I doubt they will appreciate that 😳

It's called Somjit Health Massage.
Walked past it yesterday and had the Madame trying to invite me in. 2 boys doing the traditional phone thing, yes twinkly in stature.

 
The one to the right as you look out from the back door of TukCom is called Relax@Me. At 15:00 yesterday, 2 boys on the outside table, both doing the phone thing.

 
Also within a stones throw is Helios Massage. Turn right out of the back door of TukCom, walk past Relax@Me, turn left and it's the 3rd unit on your left. Colloquially known as the Blue Door, as the front door is painted blue. Believe this is the only place left in Pattaya / Jomtien you can get a 'Foamy'. Checking the number of shoes left outside the door will give you an idea of how many boys on duty.

 
Not been there myself, but also local is Royal House Massage by Men. Out the back door of TukCom, turn left, cross over the road, and it's the second unit on your left. Entrance is on the right. Within the same unit, but on the left, is BB Gun Bachelors Club, which is a men only Karaoke club. Right up @Olddaddy 's street.