ChristianPFC

Lack of English has never prevented anyone from posting here, and I doubt vinapu will let poor English count as an excuse not to post a trip report. Anyway your English is not bad, I have read far worse here, and if you hadn't told us English is not your first language, I would not have guessed.

Nothing adventurous about VClub and Arena and Senso. But when looking at price list in Senso and VClub, you might be in for a shock.

If you can't beer seeing chicken being slaughtered and fish being killed, you should not go. Closest MRT station is Queen Sirikit National Convention Center; MRT Klong Toey is further away. Whatever is "best" depends on your taste. These topics "What is best ..." should be worded "I like ..., where should I go?" There is not that much choice for gay disco: Silom Soi 2, Fake, Sake, Welcome, Celebrity Club. For saunas see my blog or ask specific questions.

Exactly! But consider that there are people who like to overpay for mobile phones or cars, where tests say you can get similar performance/quality for half the price from a competitor.

I wouldn't. And that's the reason why I don't frequent expensive bars at all, and other bars in Bangkok Soi Twilight only a few times per year. I don't want to start negotiations with "In Pattaya, I pay 1000 for short time, would you go with me for 1000?". The answer would probably be "Then go to Pattaya!" and that's what I do! I can see no justification to pay someone more for the same service, just because he works in an expensive bar. Fortunately, my non-scene regulars in Bangkok whom I pay 500 don't know that I occasionally take boys from Pattaya gogo bars and pay them 1000, I wouldn't know how to justify.

I once observed a new boy (my estimation), fully clothed, entering a gogo bar, eyes wide as saucers when he the working boys on stage. And that was just the beginning of his new job! From experience, I would say there is no training at all for the boys. Take off your clothes, get on stage, that's it. Then it's just a matter of luck of the boy being willing and able to do this job, and having some first customers who teach him.

Absolutely! I take all my business to Pattaya nowadays, even including hotel and travel (by bus), it comes cheaper than going to Soi Twilight (from where I could take a boy back to my room in Bangkok).

That lady should have had a look at the prices, they are displayed outside but you have to know where to look, or better should have asked. But she is right, prices are outrageous. Some years ago, when Saranrom street trade was busy, I used to get boy from there for 500 Baht instead of paying 300 Baht (at that time) to look at boys.

There is a very affordable public bus from airport to town as well (don't remember details, but I took it in either direction in December).

Wherever you decide to retire, my advice is to learn the language. That will give you independence and save a lot of money.

My general impressions from Malaysia (KL in 2010 and Penang in 2015) were ok, but all gay discos and saunas I visited in KL allowed smoking inside, which totally put me off. Singapore was not boring when I visited in 2014, unfortunately the one gay sauna I visited (Cruise Club) was not at all my style. http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2014/11/cruise-club-singapore.html

One of my areas of interest, I have a category "urban decay" in my blog. http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/search/label/urban%20decay https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruins_photography

Hilarious!

Thanks for your report. Celebrity Club seems to be the former Trinity Club which was G-Star Pavilion when I went in 2014.

On my visit 31 Jan - 1 Feb, I saw boys in jeans in 360 (before I ordered - that's the first thing I look for when I enter a bar: how many boys and what do they wear) and told mamasan that I want to see boys in underwear, and left.

The perennial favorite! Quote what I wrote in the other thread: In Bangkok Soi Twilight be prepared to pay 400 for a drink, 500 off fee and 1500 short time (with attempts to push it to 2000, and popular boys might ask for 2500). In Pattaya 200, 400, 1000.

In Bangkok Soi Twilight be prepared to pay 400 for a drink, 500 off fee and 1500 short time (with attempts to push it to 2000, and popular boys might ask for 2500). In Pattaya 200, 400, 1000.

There is some truth in this. Unfortunately, the only common ground I have with most boys is that I want to get my hands into their pants, and they want to get their hands into my wallet. What you call "an absolutely great night out" probably involved disco, alcohol, loud music, singing, dancing, all of which is anathema to me. Every now and then I take a boy to daytime activities (temples, museums, parks, and the like), but those who are interested and can walk a few kilometer are rare. And then you have the problem of either keeping them over night or meeting them in the morning. I am grooming some boys (all over 18 years old) in Bangkok, you could call that "cultivate a relationship", and it comes at a lower price tag (500 Baht for sex and between 100 and 300 when we meet and don't have sex, although I had had soft moments where I gave 1000 for mocy repair or sick mother), vs. average 400 off fee and 1000 tip for boys from bars in Pattaya.

It will be difficult to have tour guide and sex partner in one person. For sex partner, I would meet in real life first to see if there is a connection. What is your budget? A night in Soi Twilight can quickly get very expensive, and if they realize you are new they might milk you even more. Meet regulars for a chat and drink and to get information would be a good idea. You did not mention if you want to pay for sex. With a bit of luck, you can find someone for free online or in the saunas.

In dark rooms in saunas, a lot of group action goes on. In light, I had only few threesomes, let's say one out of 50 sexual encounters, always initiated by the boys. Only SM I know is in the the few fetish bars (I mean I know such bars exist, but I have never been).

My underline. There is nothing wrong with that, but when I go in a brothel, I do not want to cultivate a relationship, I want to take a boy off the stage, like doing grocery shoping. I do cultivate relationships with some Thai boys who provide sex for money for me, because I speak their language and prices are reasonable (500 Baht, no drinks, no off fees).

In my opinion, 50 or max. 100 Baht would be the right amount to get your point across, i.e. a polite way to say "fuck you". With 500 Baht, many boys will think "Wow! 500 Baht for nothing! Let's try this again tomorrow!".

There is a book about places to visit near MRT and BTS stations, but it's in Thai and many of the entries are "where and what to eat" which is a non-issue for me. What exactly? I went part of the purple line, not much of interest around.

Try Babylon sauna.

I'm very comfortable traveling alone. In Thailand I have the advantage of speaking the language, so I don't need a local to help, and anyway I usually know much better the average local. (Locals trying to help can be a problem for me, can waste a lot of time talking, then pretend to accept their advice, and still do it my way once they are gone.) For other countries I would guess that the experienced traveler, even if he doesn't speak the language, is better off alone than with the average local.