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From "The Little Prince" (Original: Le Petit Prince) by Antoine de Saint Exupéry,: Il avait pris au sérieux des mots sans importance, et était devenu très malheureux. My translation: He took serious words uttered without meaning, and became very unhappy. Le langage est source de malentendus. Language is the source of misunderstandings.

If you hang around for a few years, you will notice that the same subjects are discussed over and over on all forums. Useful information is spread thin. On stickmanweekly it was once said: The forums used to be a place to get information, now you only get opinion. Many subjects could be covered in a wiki, like drink prices, but then even I can't resist from spicing up this merely numerical information ("Dream Boys Bangkok 480 Baht per drink" says it all) with a few "outragous" and "exorbitant" and recommendation to go to Pattaya instead.

I retract that. I have negotiated discounts on the drink price (Classic Boys 350 -> 250 for a party of 3), why not discounts on off-fee or short time? But it's a matter of attitude: you really have to be prepared to walk away if they don't meet your expectation. Those prices are outrageous, and they know it. Looking at customer numbers, this is a buyer's market.

Artistic license. But I had offers for blowjobs for 200 Baht in sex cinemas and have several boys who come to my room for 500 Baht.

I don't think you will get a discount. Silom Soi 6 (Super A, Nature Boys) and Screwboys. Now that Bee High closed, there are no gogo bars elsewhere. There are some Karaoke in Saphan Kwai and there is Inter-Mustache in Sukhumvit (went around 2012,2013,2014, not my style). No cruisy places. Currently there is no street trade around Saranrom and Royal Palace (too many general folk day and night). Prices in Bangkok here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/03/prices-in-bangkok-gogo-bars.html read the comments for current prices, they rise about 8% per year. I recommend skipping Bangkok and going to Pattaya for bars, much better value for money.

I did not tell them that I pay for sex, but they know I am gay and like Thai boys. I drop hints like (to a colleague in England who was eating a sandwich that had a price label of around 6 GBP): "What, you just paid 6 Pound for a sandwich? In Thailand, you can get laid for that!" He barely managed to keep the food in his mouth from laughing.

But their off-fees and short time rates are considerably higher, from reading stickmanweekly.

I guess your trips were more spectacular and if you took boys from bars, you probably paid them? In my cases, there was nothing more than a day trip to temple/museum/cinema/whatever, with me paying for food and transportation and entry. Regarding Yes/No/Maybe: http://www.armeniapedia.org/wiki/Radio_Yerevan_Jokes

I once spent almost as long on the bus from gate to airplane as for the flight DMK-PNH itself. Buses from gate to airplane and security check when changing airplane are my bane.

My underline. There are many who will argue about that. All my family, friends and work colleagues know why I'm going to Thailand. But Thai embassy or immigration asking what I'm doing in Thailand for such a long time might become a problem in the future. Then I will pull out a map of Thailand and show the 42 provinces I have been to, and tell them which temples and national parks and other attractions I went to, and where else I want to go in the future.

Is this and the OP bases on real events? I know several boys who have been taken to trips around Thailand and abroad by Farang, but I have never heard of events as in the OP. I'm sure they exist, probably the boy wouldn't post on facebook or tell others (loss of face). I got experienced by getting hurt many times (technically nothing lost, I just waited and called and messaged the boy, and finally went alone). There are far more instances where the boy said "Maybe", but meant "No", and I understood "Yes", than the other way round.

Regarding prices, there is room for negotiation (except for Screwboys 300 and Dream Boys 480 it seems). We (nowadays I don't go alone) got in for 250 or 300 baht each at Classic Boys or X-Size. From recent visits to X-Size and X-Boys, number and quality of boys ok, and shows with nudity and erections.

My bold. Now that's a money saving tip if there ever was one! (Actually I did so in discos, when it's full and you are not lead to a table by staff, you can spend your time without a drink. It never occurred to me that this might work in gogo bars.)

Thank you very much for your report, especially the various prices (drink, off fee; could you add short time expectation?) Fully agree. Before I take a seat and order, I take a close look from the door, and if number of boys is low or I don't like the way they are dressed, I leave.

I would never make such a promise in the first place. However I have invited boys to day trips. The day before everything discussed and agreed on, then the morning of the day trip message or call the boy once I get up: no reply, same for follow-up calls or messages, finally I went alone. Happened several times. Now learnt when "yes" means "no". Anything that starts in the morning, it's best to keep the boy over night. This works both way. Did I frantically try to reach the boy, from waking up until the bus/train leaves, changing plans in between, finally realizing that he didn't mean what he said. Now I plan everything for the case the boy comes and for the case the boy doesn't come. Now when I meet someone who looks promising (with many boys I can say just after a few minutes that they are stupid and lazy, good for a fuck, but nothing more), I first test if there is efficient and reliable communication and if their space-time coordination works. Addendum: I followed boys' invitations a few times, only to find out he isn't at the place I'm going to meet him. With hindsight, you could argue if this was deception or wishful thinking on my part or a misunderstanding. Now I have learnt and plan my trips so even if the boys is not there, it won't be wasted. Summary: the OP is unbalanced, at least I have been on the receiving end of lies/misunderstandings many times, whereas I never promised anything I couldn't hold (Unless you interpret "See you next week" as a promise. It's short for "See you next week, if we are both free at the same time, and I'm thinking of you at the right moment and am not with someone else".) The situation is unsymmetrical: For the boy who does not get the trip to Bali/HK/Tokyo etc or invite him back to US/UK/Germany nothing is lost, however for the Farang who invites a boy and buys tickets and books hotels and the boy does not show up, or for the Farang who goes to visit the boy somewhere and it doesn't turn out as expected (had that as well: extensive writing and calling, and when we finally met rather cold reception) a lot of time and money is wasted.

All. Only some of my boys, usually in underwear in my room or fully dressed outside. I take about 1000 pictures per month. About 20% of this is buses, timetables, information posted on platforms so when I look for a bus between A and B, I can go through my pictures. The problem with selfies is sun. Either I'm blinded by the sun, but my face is well illuminated, or I'm in the shade, then I'm in the dark and the attraction I'm standing in front of is well illuminated.

If a Thai boy replies "yes" to whatever you say, it doesn't mean he agrees, it doesn't even mean he understood what you said, it just means he heard you.

Gay scenes are comparable, but more venues in Saigon. I don't like the traffic (cars, only 3 ? bus lines) in PP. Saigon has an ample bus network and underground under construction. In PP, he will need own car or mocy or rely on taxis. Vietnamese boys are too pale for my taste, so PP wins for me for boys. But in general quality of living Saigon wins. (based one 3x3 days in PP and 2x3 days in Saigon within the last two years)

I know this practice from Toy Boys (putting their cutest outside, I fell for it long ago and went inside, hoping they would be on stage; they might not even go with customer or demand above average tips), but for Vassa it is new to me.

"Meantime I had promised Vit I would take him Long Time again tomorrow night and he wants to know if I will pay bar for him now. ... Check bin, 700 baht for LT barfine for tomorrow..." A bar fine of 700 Baht?

"Meantime I had promised Vit I would take him Long Time again tomorrow night and he wants to know if I will pay bar for him now. ... Check bin, 700 baht for LT barfine for tomorrow..." A bar fine of 700 Baht?

Thank you very much for your report which I greatly enjoyed reading! The points raised by kokopelli have some merit, but should be discussed in a separate thread. As others have mentioned already, the police does not have to read the forum to know what's going on and to justify tea money. For me, the details provided are just right (although I am usually a bit less detailed in my reports). More power to you, and I wish you many more trips to Thailand with trip reports of this style.

Sitting at Hotmale beer bar with a Farang friend recently and looking what is passing through the soi, I realize that the non-offable boy in 2013 was a turning point for me. Before I thought you can get fair deals, although expensive, but then slowly (only now I fully realize) dawned on me that they are just screwing me, grabbing as much money and providing as little in return as they (bars and boys) can get away with. Before I though the customer is king, they will accommodate my wishes (always reasonable, if a boy says he doesn't bottom I accept that), but charge me dearly. But then I realized I'm being fooled, and that's a huge insult to me. That event (boy does not want to go with me) eventually lead to me leaving the Soi Twilight scene (except for 2 or 3 visits per year with Farang friends who come for holiday) and taking all my business to Pattaya, online or even better look for free encounters.

It would have never occurred to me to inform my Thai bank about a new passport. But as new passport is coming up, and bank book almost full, thanks for all the information shared in this thread. I will add my own experience when I try to get a new bank book with a new passport. Update: The passport I used to open my bank account was stolen in 2013, so I have already a new one without my bank knowing. Will try to get a new bank book at a branch near my current place without mentioning change of passport.

Someone does not understand the decimal system. Would you rather have 100 or 1000 Baht? The difference is just a zero.