that's very elegant explanation of those charges. 

 

And judging by different pictures and short films posted showing some boys absent , that must be takers even at that prices.

 

You gave me something to think about before next trip , LOL

If a customer wants to pay all that, that's of course up to him.  or her.

 

Absolutely.  Market forces at work.   

Thankfully, my preference is for a somewhat more skinny build & to borrow terminology from Christian, I wouldn't take these "models" for free. 

 

I suppose it's like preferring a traditionally brewed ale to expensive champagne.   Not only is the ale much better, but cheaper as well.

I'd probably pay the 4-5k if I REALLY wanted the guy. But maybe as a one off rather than every night. Sometimes when I get interested in someone, I HAVE to have it. Besides, you would be paying more in Europe & U.S.anyway

I'd probably pay the 4-5k if I REALLY wanted the guy. But maybe as a one off rather than every night.

The same here, after first off it's easier to assess whether money was well spent.

 

Tip requested may be usually bargained down but too much economizing may be fun killer for some and question what is better :

overpaid but happy companion or market priced  but bit grumpy one ? must be weighted in

https://www.instagram.com/b.babe.b/

I said before that he is not really my type based on his photos, but just saw his live video and wow, i would so off him if he is available lol

  And, as regards the off fee (bar fine), it makes sense.  If the bar has to pay the guy say roughly 1,000 (plus or minus) a night for working, then the customer should pay the bar that if he's taking the guy off premises.  

 

 

Not sure that's right. The bars make an ENORMOUS amount of money on drinks. A small bottle of Singh beer is about 45 Bt in 7/11 and they sell drinks for 450 to 500 Bt in some bars.

 

Regarding the 1200 off fee. It only takes 2 guys to refuse to pay the 1200 and the next guy to accept...then they have made the 1200 they wanted in the first place!

Not sure that's right. The bars make an ENORMOUS amount of money on drinks. A small bottle of Singh beer is about 45 Bt in 7/11 and they sell drinks for 450 to 500 Bt in some bars.

 

Regarding the 1200 off fee. It only takes 2 guys to refuse to pay the 1200 and the next guy to accept...then they have made the 1200 they wanted in the first place!

I really don't understand what you're saying is not "right."  Perhaps you can explain.

 

Yes, the bars make the money on the alcohol.  Not on the off fee.  

 

Because people were making such a stink about the off fee at Moonlight, what I was pointing out was that in the case of Moonlight, for the better "models," we know the salary is roughly 1,200 per night.  The bar pays that to the guy who shows up to work, whether or not the guy is off'd.  The customer paying the 1,200 off fee (bar fine) is just bringing the bar back to zero.  

 

At other bars it's often as simple as that, but sometimes plus or minus 100 baht.  For example, as of a while ago, Fresh Boys paid its guys about 500 a night, and the off fee was about 500.  Same.  X-Boys would pay about 300 a night, even with a 400-500 off fee, which is one of the reasons X-Boys was (and probably still is) a starter bar for the guys to work in.  

 

And I simply don't understand what you're saying about 2 guys refusing and then the next accepting.  Implicitly customers are constantly "refusing" by not off'ing someone.  I just don't understand your point.  Again, please explain.

People are so fast to say bars make money off alcohol. I don’t think anybody will dispute that. It’s probably true of every bar, restaurant and 7-11 in the world.

 

What nobody ever talks about are the operating costs of a business. Rents,taxes, salaries, utilities etc. It all adds up fast. Is the owner allowed to make a profit? I doubt many, if anybody here has studied a balance sheet from the bars.

What nobody ever talks about are the operating costs of a business. Rents,taxes, salaries, utilities etc. 

specifically for the bars we are talking about: not to forget tea money!

Does the tea money appear in the balance sheet, as a separate line?

Day 2.5: Two is better than one (Chapter)

 

Up next, more boys to feed my greed…

 

How long do I have to wait?  I'm dying over here!  come on!  Feed us!  

I walked by the Crowne Plaze today and smiled to myself, “Ahhh that’s where numazu stays with his membership points. Imagine all the fun he’s had at that hotel...”.

 

Even though we’ve never met, I thought of you often on my first trip to Bangkok — all the places you mentioned in your posts over the years suddenly came to life! In fact, you inspired me to make this journey.

 

It was every thing I hoped for and more. Thank you for your wonderful reporting and stories.