39 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

The Donbas has been fighting for secession from Ukraine and to rejoin Russia for many many years and there was a peace treaty in 2014 that Ukraine signed to recognize Donbas autonomy.  Every death in the war is more money in Secretary of Defense Austin's pocket. 

 

Is he paid something like 3.75 $ for each killed Russian soldier and 2.75  for Donbas one ? 

7 hours ago, vinapu said:

This is exactly what West is doing supporting Ukraine and standing up to USSR disguised as Russia. 

NATO eastward expansion was at request countries there, now we can see how farsighted they were. Without membership they would be now at mercy of Russia, you and Moses, perish the thought. 

Borrell already has admitted what promise  NATO membership to Ukraine is mistake. He also has admitted, what NATO has broken promises about expantion to East what has been given to Russia.

By the way: exactly expansion of NATO to the East made current situation: Russia whole 2021 warned about "red lines". Las drop was including membership in NATO to Ukrainian constitution.

 

P.S. Stoltenberg now looks like lier or stupid - within one speech he saying "NATO isn't part of conflict" and "If Russia wins then NATO loses".

3 hours ago, Moses said:

P.S. Stoltenberg now looks like lier or stupid

As opposed to Putin?

7 hours ago, vinapu said:

Is he paid something like 3.75 $ for each killed Russian soldier and 2.75  for Donbas one ? 

I'm sure you know Austin is on a leave of absence from his company Raytheon which is the largest military company. War makes his stock soar. 

8 hours ago, tassojunior said:

The Donbas has been fighting for secession from Ukraine and to rejoin Russia for many many years and there was a peace treaty in 2014 that Ukraine signed to recognize Donbas autonomy. After the  coup in Ukraine organized by the US Zelinksy was voted in as the pro-Russian candidate. However the US decided it wanted war and Zelensky turned on a dime (after buying a multi-million dollar beach house in Israel on his government salary.) He sent troops in and 14,000 people in Donbas were killed by Ukraine. The US wanted a war to weaken Russia as an international competitor to Wall Street hegemony. The US wanted as much death as possible and as much war as possible to that end. Just like Iraq. Every death in the war is more money in Secretary of Defense Austin's pocket. The US killed by genocide 1 million people in Iraq and 7 million exterminated in Vietnam. It holds the record over Hitler for the most people murdered in the past 100 years by far. Killing is America's biggest industry and America wants a World War now for some reason. Somehow they think that's good for Wall Street. (It may be as long as Wall Street relocates). 

 

 

Русские народные сказки - Russian folk tales

It's more amazing that so many countries did not obey the US at the UN this time. Before the Iraq extermination of 1 million non-whites, the US spent months arm twisting every country to get approval by the UN for the extermination. Remember Biden, Bush, Hillary, Cheney, Powell all exclaiming how it was certain Iraq had WMDs and we would immediately be greeted with parades as liberators. More important, every country has $$ incentives put to them to support the US. In fact this time countries representing the 90% of the world's population that is non-white are not on the bandwagon. Their people know NATO is the ultimate white supremist organization in the world. NATO is the whites of the world asserting their control of the world.   

And this is what compels you to retain U.S. citizenship?

1 hour ago, reader said:

And this is what compels you to retain U.S. citizenship?

I don't have to support genocide because I'm an American. 

24 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

I don't have to support genocide because I'm an American. 

And that’s exactly the difference between US and Russia - you would not dare to speak up against their evil, murderous imperial ambitions

1 hour ago, reader said:

And this is what compels you to retain U.S. citizenship?

Being enthusiast of green perhaps?

I mean green color on USD's

At least he can speak his mind freely, try this in Russia or China or even in our beloved Thailand about certain subjects

33 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

I don't have to support genocide because I'm an American. 

Don't throw that serious word too wantonly, if only for respect of victims of real genocides

6 hours ago, Moses said:

Borrell already has admitted what promise  NATO membership to Ukraine is mistake. He also has admitted, what NATO has broken promises about expantion to East what has been given to Russia.

 

Speaking about broken promises, what about Budapest memorandum  ones, Ukraine and Kazakhstan gave up their nukes inherited from USSR in exchange for keeping their territories intact. 

46 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

I don't have to support genocide because I'm an American. 

But you’re all in with Putin’s genocide. 

Fascinating rationalization.

14 minutes ago, vinapu said:

Don't throw that serious word too wantonly, if only for respect of victims of real genocides

what do you call 7 million Vietnamese or 1 million Iraqis? A good start?

3 minutes ago, reader said:

But you’re all in with Putin’s genocide. 

Fascinating rationalization.

remind me when the last time was that "Putin" exterminated another race in the millions like the US?

If anything the western Ukrainians and Poles are just still pissed at Russia for coming through in '45 and letting all the Jews out of the ovens. 

This war between the US and Russia will just escalate as all do. 

And we’ll know what side you’ll be on. 

6 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

If anything the western Ukrainians and Poles are just still pissed at Russia for coming through in '45 and letting all the Jews out of the ovens. 

Those words won’t go away, Tasso.

19 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

what do you call 7 million Vietnamese or 1 million Iraqis? A good start?

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Whataboutism

 

14 minutes ago, tassojunior said:

remind me when the last time was that "Putin" exterminated another race in the millions like the US?

If anything the western Ukrainians and Poles are just still pissed at Russia for coming through in '45 and letting all the Jews out of the ovens. 

This war between the US and Russia will just escalate as all do. 

6 hours ago, reader said:

And we’ll know what side you’ll be on. 

I'll be on the side of ordinary Americans who want to live their lives not in a fascist surveillance military state of warmongers eager to exterminate people by the million. Blinken has the blood of one million Iraqis on his hands and he doesn't care how many million peasants die for his super right-wing world domination goals for the master race. 

 

 

6 hours ago, alvnv said:

And that’s exactly the difference between US and Russia - you would not dare to speak up against their evil, murderous imperial ambitions

bullshit. I live in and care about the US and I'm concerned that we've become a surveillance military state with no unauthorized opinions allowed now and constant lies drilled into us 24/7. as Noam Chomsky just said, America has become the most propagandized country in the world because we don't realize we're being propagandized. other countries like China and Russia know they are and can look to different sources. we don't know we're lied to 24/7. we trust our government and it's media. terrible mistake. sorry if being a party to killing millions of people is your goal. it's not mine or that of most normal people. 

10 hours ago, tassojunior said:

If anything the western Ukrainians and Poles are just still pissed at Russia for coming through in '45 and letting all the Jews out of the ovens. 

The hatred you spew here remains an indelible legacy. You can attempt to misdirect the narrative away from Putin’s crimes but you will always fail as you have so consistently in the past. 

Countries that voted against:

- Belarus

- Nicaragua

- North Korea

- Russia

- Syria

Nice company… Anybody wants to live there? Their own citizens certainly don’t 

 

 

2 hours ago, reader said:

The hatred you spew here remains an indelible legacy. You can attempt to misdirect the narrative away from Putin’s crimes but you will always fail as you have so consistently in the past. 

Such hatred as expressed is more popularly described as "trolling".  Let's not feed the troll.  
 

5 hours ago, alvnv said:

Countries that voted against:

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- Russia

....

Nice company… Anybody wants to live there? Their own citizens certainly don’t 

#4 in World by net inflow immigration.

 

11 hours ago, tassojunior said:

I'll be on the side of ordinary Americans who want to live their lives not in a fascist surveillance military state of warmongers eager to exterminate people by the million. Blinken has the blood of one million Iraqis on his hands and he doesn't care how many million peasants die for his super right-wing world domination goals for the master race. 

 

 

 

So you'll be staying safely in Washington then, I assume.