LOS Trip Report

[jimmie50]

18 hours ago, sydneyboy1 said:

Could you please discover the joys of the paragraph?

Sorry.  Usually I am tired when writing my posts, and I have so many thoughts and things to report rolling around in my head...LOL. 

[jimmie50]

13 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Many of the guys who sit and drink with big spending customers are instructed to do so by the bar management.

Yes, some guys are called down by the customers themselves but many others are "invited" by mamasan.

Management wants customers to finish bottle of Johnnie Walker so that they can order more.

Given a choice, most guys prefer an off as they earn more (and drink less!)

Well, to know they are forced to do so by management to enhance the club receipts is simply wrong and makes me even less interested in revisiting this establishment.  That, coupled with the overall negative experience, definitely takes it off my list in the future.  Hate it for the guys, because they are the ones losing money in that situation.  

[jimmie50]

11 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Was each shot accompanied by a 100-baht tip?

Possible, but if so I missed that part of the transaction.  I am basing my reaction to the facial expressions and body language of the performers.  

[jimmie50]

Day 7 Bangkok - Part 1

Lazy morning in the hotel room while waiting around for my 13:00 appointment at Phoenix.  This is another shop in the Saphan Khwai area, although a good 25 minute walk from the BTS station.  If using Google Maps, it will get you to the general vicinity of this shop, but not the pinpoint location.  Coming out of BTS, I think it is exit 3 down to street level.  Walk past Big C to Sutthisan Winichai Road and turn left.  Follow this street until you reach Inthamara 25 Alley.  This is where Google will mess you up. It actually shows the shop located much further down Inthamara 25, when in reality it is only about 20 meters from Sutthisan Winichai.  It will be on your left just past a food stall.  They do not open until 13:00, and is a cash only establishment.  To be honest, I am not sure I would want to give them access to any of my credit card information anyway.  If I said Phetboy was a small, no frills operation, Phoenix is what I would describe as sketchy and dingy.  Reception area was filled with young men all sitting around on their phones or gathered around a large pool table playing a game.  I counted 15 young men just hanging out.  Do not expect anyone at this shop to speak a single word of English. Be prepared to use a translation app.  I tried to imagine from what I was looking at where they recorded the videos they post occasionally on LINE, because nothing looked remotely like it inside.  Only one of the five I had pre-selected the day before was in the shop when I arrived.  I really didn’t want to linger around on the main level waiting on someone else, and he was one of my five choices, so proceeded with scheduled appointment.  They only offer one hour sessions, and no options other than basic oil massage for 600 Baht.  Tip for any of the young men is the same…1200 Baht.  Massage room was on the 4th floor.  Not sure why we didn’t use the 2nd floor rooms, as they had just opened and I was the only customer.  3rd floor appears to be housing for some of the boys.  Room did have a shower, and it was large enough for two persons.  Adequate hot water and drainage.  Large wooden table with thin pad and a very small pillow.  Walls within interior and exterior of the facility are painted this bright lime green.  Paint is peeling off the walls.  Cleanliness is definite not high on their priority list.  In other words, the facilities in general are in pretty bad shape.  Also, some of the young men looked pretty rough around the edges.  I know some people like that…just not my type.  Therapist I selected was cute and a nice young man.  22, Thai, from Chiang Rai…that’s about all the info I could gather.  Session started with a shower together, so you knew from the ‘get go’ where things were going to end up.  Started with dry presses on feet, legs, back, shoulders and back down.  Did this a few times for maybe a total of 10 minutes.  Brought out a bottle of oil, then using the translation app asked if I wanted oil massage or ‘something else’.  lol.  No idea if he was gay or man.  He certainly had very few limitations.  Like I have so often found, many of the guys don’t like to kiss.  Otherwise, anything I wanted to do he was willing and able.  Would I go back to this shop…probably not ever.  Cannot in good conscience recommend it to anyone.  Would I see him again…if he worked in a different environment…then definitely.  Just not at Phoenix, which is kind of sad because he could be successful at other shops.  Anyway, decided I did not want to walk back to Saphan Khwai BTS so called for Bolt and took that directly back to my hotel to avoid afternoon crowds.  BTS was also having issues today and trains were only running every ten minutes on Sukhumvit Line for some reason.  Decided to contact my guy at Paradise to see if he was available for Round 2.  He is, so will be going there around 17:30, then check out Foodland for dinner and thought I might check out one of the other clubs…possibly Hotmale.

[jimmie50]

Day 7 Bangkok - Part 2

OK, I cannot believe I am going to admit this, but I have become such a slut on this trip.  I am acting like the kid in a candy store for the very first time.  I’m exhausted, but this drive or rush inside keeps moving me forward.  Saw my Paradise guy and it was just as great this time, only we dispensed with the scrub and also no need to waste time or play the coy games.  Both of us naked from the get go, showered together before and after, and a lot more play than massage.  Was joking with him at the end of our time together while still in the massage room and casually…and really was joking when I said it…told him ‘I could take you home with me right now!’.  His reply caught me off guard.  He said ‘not today, working; tomorrow ok, not working’.  So I had to ask if he was serious, and had ever gone with a client before and he said yes, serious, and never with client.  First of all, they aren’t allowed by management if they are working.  What they do on their off day is their own personal business, though.  While I take most things like this with a grain of salt…he may say something similar to all of his clients…I would like to believe he was being genuine.  I felt there was a connection between us, and he was surprised I sent him a text and arranged a second meeting, as I had promised.  Evidently others have said similar things but never followed through.  Anyway, he will text me tomorrow and we will make whatever arrangements regarding where and when to meet.  After that it was off to Foodland and another sampling of cashew chicken.  I prefer Foodland version over Derby King.  While Foodland version did contain some mushrooms, it was only a minimal amount and not that tube-like mushroom at DK.  DK was also slightly more expensive.  I got an appetizer at Foodland in addition to the chicken and a Thai Tea (same at both locations), and the bill was still less than DK.  By this time it is around 9pm.  Walked down to Hotmale to check out show time.  Show was to begin at 10:30pm, but I decided to go ahead in now and just wait.  I could relax in the AC and enjoy a drink while waiting.  I knew if I walked back to the hotel I would most likely stay in the rest of the evening.  Walked in Hotmale and I was literally the only customer.  Nobody else in sight other than people who work there, and number boys on stage just like at Moonlight.  Was rather depressing and really uncomfortable.  Probably 15-20 boys rotating on and off stage in groups looking at me desperately with pleading eyes to rescue them from the misery.  So strange to make the young men parade on stage when no customers are present.  I really don’t get this.  Also, being the only customer, I had the complete attention of Mamasan.  There was no escaping it.  It was so bad I was trying to avoid eye contact with any of the guys on stage.  Finally, after 30 minutes of Mamasan hovering I selected one young man to come and sit with me and bought him a drink.  This was just to shut up Mamasan and get her to go away.  OMG.  During this time, two potential customers walked in, looked around, and walked right back out.  Also, I had specifically asked Mamsan if all of the boys where Thai and to indicate which ones could speak some English.  She confirmed all Thai, all speak English.  I knew this was BS, but was no point in arguing with her.  Anyway, the young man I selected did have some limited English skills.  He was 27 from Cambodia.  His older brother also works there and was on stage at the same time.  All the guys here are what I would call twinks.  Didn’t see anyone you could call muscular or manly.  Anyway, had a nice conversation with the young man and decided on a whim to go ahead and off him.  Didn’t think I would ever do that, but might be my last opportunity, so why not.  lol.  Paid the club fee of 500 Baht, plus a much pressured tip for Mamasan of 100 Baht and was told the fee for the young man was 2000 Baht to be given directly to him.  I believe the actual amount paid to guys is negotiated between the parties…not based upon what Mamasan said.  In any event, I specifically asked him if he had to share any of the money I give him at the hotel with the club and he said no, he keeps all of it.  So, off he went to get dressed and shortly after we were out the door.  By this time it was 22:00 and not a single customer in the club.  Assuming unless a last minute rush the show may get canceled for the evening?!?  Not sure how that works.  Only did short term with the young man, especially since I will have overnight company tomorrow with my Paradise guy.  Like I said at the beginning of this paragraph…I have become such a slut!!!

[floridarob]

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

you such seasoned diplomat 

I was going to mention something, but you know I'm not diplomatic at times.... so better that he did 😉

[Mavica]

1 hour ago, jimmie50 said:

Day 7 Bangkok - Part 2

OK, I cannot believe I am going to admit this, but I have become such a slut on this trip.  I am acting like the kid in a candy store for the very first time.  I’m exhausted, but this drive or rush inside keeps moving me forward.  Saw my Paradise guy and it was just as great this time, only we dispensed with the scrub and also no need to waste time or play the coy games.  Both of us naked from the get go, showered together before and after, and a lot more play than massage.  Was joking with him at the end of our time together while still in the massage room and casually…and really was joking when I said it…told him ‘I could take you home with me right now!’.  His reply caught me off guard.  He said ‘not today, working; tomorrow ok, not working’.  So I had to ask if he was serious, and had ever gone with a client before and he said yes, serious, and never with client.  First of all, they aren’t allowed by management if they are working.  What they do on their off day is their own personal business, though.  While I take most things like this with a grain of salt…he may say something similar to all of his clients…I would like to believe he was being genuine.  I felt there was a connection between us, and he was surprised I sent him a text and arranged a second meeting, as I had promised.  Evidently others have said similar things but never followed through.  Anyway, he will text me tomorrow and we will make whatever arrangements regarding where and when to meet.  After that it was off to Foodland and another sampling of cashew chicken.  I prefer Foodland version over Derby King.  While Foodland version did contain some mushrooms, it was only a minimal amount and not that tube-like mushroom at DK.  DK was also slightly more expensive.  I got an appetizer at Foodland in addition to the chicken and a Thai Tea (same at both locations), and the bill was still less than DK.  By this time it is around 9pm.  Walked down to Hotmale to check out show time.  Show was to begin at 10:30pm, but I decided to go ahead in now and just wait.  I could relax in the AC and enjoy a drink while waiting.  I knew if I walked back to the hotel I would most likely stay in the rest of the evening.  Walked in Hotmale and I was literally the only customer.  Nobody else in sight other than people who work there, and number boys on stage just like at Moonlight.  Was rather depressing and really uncomfortable.  Probably 15-20 boys rotating on and off stage in groups looking at me desperately with pleading eyes to rescue them from the misery.  So strange to make the young men parade on stage when no customers are present.  I really don’t get this.  Also, being the only customer, I had the complete attention of Mamasan.  There was no escaping it.  It was so bad I was trying to avoid eye contact with any of the guys on stage.  Finally, after 30 minutes of Mamasan hovering I selected one young man to come and sit with me and bought him a drink.  This was just to shut up Mamasan and get her to go away.  OMG.  During this time, two potential customers walked in, looked around, and walked right back out.  Also, I had specifically asked Mamsan if all of the boys where Thai and to indicate which ones could speak some English.  She confirmed all Thai, all speak English.  I knew this was BS, but was no point in arguing with her.  Anyway, the young man I selected did have some limited English skills.  He was 27 from Cambodia.  His older brother also works there and was on stage at the same time.  All the guys here are what I would call twinks.  Didn’t see anyone you could call muscular or manly.  Anyway, had a nice conversation with the young man and decided on a whim to go ahead and off him.  Didn’t think I would ever do that, but might be my last opportunity, so why not.  lol.  Paid the club fee of 500 Baht, plus a much pressured tip for Mamasan of 100 Baht and was told the fee for the young man was 2000 Baht to be given directly to him.  I believe the actual amount paid to guys is negotiated between the parties…not based upon what Mamasan said.  In any event, I specifically asked him if he had to share any of the money I give him at the hotel with the club and he said no, he keeps all of it.  So, off he went to get dressed and shortly after we were out the door.  By this time it was 22:00 and not a single customer in the club.  Assuming unless a last minute rush the show may get canceled for the evening?!?  Not sure how that works.  Only did short term with the young man, especially since I will have overnight company tomorrow with my Paradise guy.  Like I said at the beginning of this paragraph…I have become such a slut!!!

Paragraphs, please.

[PeterRS]

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

absolutely not!!! I love mushrooms, I one doesn't like , their pieces can always be put aside.

True, but the problem with mushrooms is they usually have quite a strong flavour. So putting them aside only gets rid of part of the problem.

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

you were bumped to first class and still had audacity to write letter of complain because of some food????? Certainly you don't have any fear of God  and audacity must be your second name, lol.

How did you know my second name?

[vinapu]

7 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

 

How did you know my second name?

I googled it

[vinapu]

2 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

Day 7 Bangkok - Part 2

OK, I cannot believe I am going to admit this, but I have become such a slut on this trip.  I am acting like the kid in a candy store for the very first time.

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and was told the fee for the young man was 2000 Baht to be given directly to him.  I believe the actual amount paid to guys is negotiated between the parties…not based upon what Mamasan said.  

enjoy while it lasts, you are doing good job utilizing your time there. You don't want any regrets upon returning home that you did not do this or that.

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exactly , I'd never ask mamasan how much I'm supposed to give  a guy. That is to be sorted between guy and me. 

 

[PeterRS]

23 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

If they are invited to join these ‘big spender’ groups for drinking during the show, but only receive a minimal tip for that pleasure but no offing, how is that to their benefit.  Could I afford to invite a handful of boys over to sit and drink with me for an hour, give them a couple of hundred baht for their time, and send them back to the rotation…sure.  But, that’s not me

Assuming that perhaps the customer had purchased a bottle of whisky and was sharing that with the boys, that scenario happened back in the days of Solid Bar, a small unassuming bar down from the Mango Tree Restaurant with no shows but very willing mostly twink-type guys. It never had many customers but I used to go occasionally with a friend on a Sunday after a nice dinner somewhere close by.

One evening we entered to find the five cutest boys sitting sharing a bottle of Scotch with a farang. All were smoking, despite the fact there were three large "no smoking" signs on the walls. My friend and I were pissed off that he had the cutest boys at his table, but more that all were smoking. As @vinapu has pointed out elsewhere, audacity is my middle name. So I went over to ask very politely if those at that table refrain from smoking. Without any seeming bad feeling, they all stubbed out their cigarettes.

A few minutes later the farang came over to our table. I was slightly apprehensive that we were about to enter a verbal sparring match, but no. He merely politely pointed out that he was the co-owner of the bar. If, he said, he enforced the law about no smoking in bars, he would be out of business. Fair point, and I did not bother to ask why he had the five best-looking guys at his table.

Solid was never a popular bar which was a shame as some of the boys were fun to spend time with. Even allowing for smoking, it closed after about three years or so.

[jason1975]

9 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

Anyway, had a nice conversation with the young man and decided on a whim to go ahead and off him.  Didn’t think I would ever do that, but might be my last opportunity, so why not.  lol.  Paid the club fee of 500 Baht, plus a much pressured tip for Mamasan of 100 Baht and was told the fee for the young man was 2000 Baht to be given directly to him.  I believe the actual amount paid to guys is negotiated between the parties…not based upon what Mamasan said.  In any event, I specifically asked him if he had to share any of the money I give him at the hotel with the club and he said no, he keeps all of it.  So, off he went to get dressed and shortly after we were out the door.  By this time it was 22:00 and not a single customer in the club.  Assuming unless a last minute rush the show may get canceled for the evening?!?  Not sure how that works.  Only did short term with the young man, especially since I will have overnight company tomorrow with my Paradise guy.  Like I said at the beginning of this paragraph…I have become such a slut!!!

I love reading your slutty adventures!

[ichigo]

9 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

I am acting like the kid in a candy store for the very first time.

This is Bangkok for you  

[Enchanted_Elixir]

Thanks @jimmie50 for such an unfiltered review of Phoenix.

[jimmie50]

Day 8 Bangkok

Well, as the saying goes, too many men and too little time.  Realized when I went down for breakfast this morning at the hotel that tomorrow is Friday and I will transfer from Ibis Silom to the tour hotel in the afternoon for the beginning of the next part of my adventure.  There are still so many different massage shops I had hoped to try that are not even going to make it on the short list, which is very sad and disappointing.  Now that I have also dipped my toe into the world of clubs, it has wet my appetite to check out some of the others.  I am afraid these adventures to explore more will have to wait for another trip.  There will be some ‘down time’ on the tour where you can opt out of certain experiences, and I may take advantage of that while still in Bangkok.  Once we are on the road going to different communities, not sure what mischief I may get into, but am definitely planning to keep my options open.  Already know when we reach our final destination of Chiang Mai that I want to visit Aqua CNX and Classic House.  Also mentioned to Woody about possibly going to the club there, Adams Apple, if we have time.  Anyway, planning to lay low this morning at the hotel and probably sleep a little more.  Not sure what time Paradise young man will contact me, but expect that won’t be until later afternoon or early evening, which gives me a little time to play during the afternoon.  lol.

Had a lazy morning hanging out at the hotel.  Was not sure if I wanted to venture out for fun or not.  Had mixed feelings about whether the meeting with my Paradise guy was actually going to happen.  You just never know about these things.  Was hopeful that all would go according to plan, but trying to be realistic at the same time.  As it turns out, there was no need to be worried or concerned.  He lives about 50 minutes by motorbike outside city center.  Sent me a message via LINE to let me know he was going to head my way around 2pm.  Ask if he had a swimsuit and told him if he did to bring it.  If not, we would go and buy one.  He had one.  Since he was coming for the afternoon, I decided against venturing out and getting into any more mischief.  At the recommendation of @vinapu, had the lunch special of cashew chicken at my hotel.  For me, it was the best of all three locations.  Had no mushrooms whatsoever, plenty of white meat chicken and cashews along with red, green, and yellow peppers as well as onion.  Also came with a fried egg, which was a nice touch. 

By the time ‘Sam’ arrived it was close to 3pm.  Came up to the room, we changed into swimsuits, and went up to the rooftop to enjoy the pool and relax.  Ordered a couple of appetizers to snack on as well.  He said he had already had lunch, but wasn’t 100% sure he was being honest with me.  Knew it would be awhile before any dinner, so couldn’t hurt to have a couple of things to snack on.  He also had a beer…I stayed with my Thai tea.  Was just a nice change  of pace and relaxing afternoon.  Eventually headed back down to the room where we proceeded to enjoy a shower together, some play time, serious cuddle time, short nap, then headed out to explore the night market and find a place to have dinner.  Just a nice relaxing evening compared to what I have been putting my body through the rest of my trip.  lol.  Decent restaurant on Silom not far from Night Market.  Had some Sea Bass soup and Wagyu grilled steak.  I am not a big seafood lover, but actually enjoyed the soup more than the steak.  Sam preferred the steak.  He also enjoyed another bottle of Chang.  He was so polite and really over-protective of me while we were out walking around.  Wanted to make sure I was ok and having a good time.  I was enjoying the attention and the affection.  Headed back to the hotel for some more playtime before falling asleep with my arms wrapped tightly around him.  Magical, blissful evening for me…hopefully for him as well.

[jason1975]

1 hour ago, jimmie50 said:

Day 8 Bangkok

Well, as the saying goes, too many men and too little time.  Realized when I went down for breakfast this morning at the hotel that tomorrow is Friday and I will transfer from Ibis Silom to the tour hotel in the afternoon for the beginning of the next part of my adventure.  There are still so many different massage shops I had hoped to try that are not even going to make it on the short list, which is very sad and disappointing.  Now that I have also dipped my toe into the world of clubs, it has wet my appetite to check out some of the others.  I am afraid these adventures to explore more will have to wait for another trip.  There will be some ‘down time’ on the tour where you can opt out of certain experiences, and I may take advantage of that while still in Bangkok.  Once we are on the road going to different communities, not sure what mischief I may get into, but am definitely planning to keep my options open.  Already know when we reach our final destination of Chiang Mai that I want to visit Aqua CNX and Classic House.  Also mentioned to Woody about possibly going to the club there, Adams Apple, if we have time.  Anyway, planning to lay low this morning at the hotel and probably sleep a little more.  Not sure what time Paradise young man will contact me, but expect that won’t be until later afternoon or early evening, which gives me a little time to play during the afternoon.  lol.

Had a lazy morning hanging out at the hotel.  Was not sure if I wanted to venture out for fun or not.  Had mixed feelings about whether the meeting with my Paradise guy was actually going to happen.  You just never know about these things.  Was hopeful that all would go according to plan, but trying to be realistic at the same time.  As it turns out, there was no need to be worried or concerned.  He lives about 50 minutes by motorbike outside city center.  Sent me a message via LINE to let me know he was going to head my way around 2pm.  Ask if he had a swimsuit and told him if he did to bring it.  If not, we would go and buy one.  He had one.  Since he was coming for the afternoon, I decided against venturing out and getting into any more mischief.  At the recommendation of @vinapu, had the lunch special of cashew chicken at my hotel.  For me, it was the best of all three locations.  Had no mushrooms whatsoever, plenty of white meat chicken and cashews along with red, green, and yellow peppers as well as onion.  Also came with a fried egg, which was a nice touch. 

By the time ‘Sam’ arrived it was close to 3pm.  Came up to the room, we changed into swimsuits, and went up to the rooftop to enjoy the pool and relax.  Ordered a couple of appetizers to snack on as well.  He said he had already had lunch, but wasn’t 100% sure he was being honest with me.  Knew it would be awhile before any dinner, so couldn’t hurt to have a couple of things to snack on.  He also had a beer…I stayed with my Thai tea.  Was just a nice change  of pace and relaxing afternoon.  Eventually headed back down to the room where we proceeded to enjoy a shower together, some play time, serious cuddle time, short nap, then headed out to explore the night market and find a place to have dinner.  Just a nice relaxing evening compared to what I have been putting my body through the rest of my trip.  lol.  Decent restaurant on Silom not far from Night Market.  Had some Sea Bass soup and Wagyu grilled steak.  I am not a big seafood lover, but actually enjoyed the soup more than the steak.  Sam preferred the steak.  He also enjoyed another bottle of Chang.  He was so polite and really over-protective of me while we were out walking around.  Wanted to make sure I was ok and having a good time.  I was enjoying the attention and the affection.  Headed back to the hotel for some more playtime before falling asleep with my arms wrapped tightly around him.  Magical, blissful evening for me…hopefully for him as well.

Boyfriend moments! 🥰🥰🥰🥰🥰

[jason1975]

On 10/24/2025 at 9:13 AM, jimmie50 said:

 Paid the club fee of 500 Baht, plus a much pressured tip for Mamasan of 100 Baht and was told the fee for the young man was 2000 Baht to be given directly to him.  I believe the actual amount paid to guys is negotiated between the parties…not based upon what Mamasan said.  In any event, I specifically asked him if he had to share any of the money I give him at the hotel with the club and he said no, he keeps all of it.  So, off he went to get dressed and shortly after we were out the door. 

2k baht is low for short time in Bangkok. It's minimum 2.5k baht at Freshboys. That's what management tells the guys to say to customers. At other bars, it's 2.5k to 3k depending on individuals.

Hot Male has always had lower traffic than the other bars in the same soi. Probably because its location is more difficult to find.

The big difference between Hot Male and the other bars is the lack of ladyboy lipsynching singers. All performances are done by the Hot Male guys themselves which is commendable but they may not seem as polished as the performers in other bars.

[ichigo]

1 hour ago, jason1975 said:

2k baht is low for short time in Bangkok. It's minimum 2.5k baht at Freshboys. That's what management tells the guys to say to customers. At other bars, it's 2.5k to 3k depending on individuals.

Hot Male has always had lower traffic than the other bars in the same soi. Probably because its location is more difficult to find.

The big difference between Hot Male and the other bars is the lack of ladyboy lipsynching singers. All performances are done by the Hot Male guys themselves which is commendable but they may not seem as polished as the performers in other bars.

I generally find the quality in Hotmale to be quite high. One of my best offs from my last trip was from Hotmale, nicely tatted Cambodian guy who did everything. Messages me from time to time asking when I'm coming back. There wasn't many customers in the bar when I visited so decided to have a grope of all the big-cock show performers, just to help out the economy, you know 😅

[jimmie50]

Day 9 Bangkok - Part 1

It has been such a very long time, I had forgotten how nice it is to wake up beside someone.  Had some quality snuggle time before taking a shower together, then went down to the breakfast buffet.  No problems, as when I originally made the reservation for the hotel I had booked for two persons.  LOL.  Call it wishful thinking.  In reality, from reading various posts on the forum I decided it was best to do it that way instead of raising questions if/when bringing a guest back to the room.  If I had a guest and they wanted to eat breakfast, it would be covered.  If not, it wasn’t something I would need to actually pay for unless they were physically present.  After breakfast we headed back upstairs, said those last few parting words with strong hugs and a few minutes of deep kissing and off he went back to Paradise.  He asked me to send him messages from the US and to keep in touch when I went home.  Assured him I would, and told him to let me know if he changed shops, changed jobs, moved, etc.  During the course of our evening together, I actually learned from him that the guys who work in the massage shops are also available to ‘off’.  Not all shops, and not all boys, but some.  New piece of information for me.  He said he will usually get one customer per day, but some of the guys don’t get anyone.  Off fee paid to the shop is similar to amount paid to the clubs.  For some strange reason, Paradise is 555 Baht.  Such an odd amount. lol.  Next time I will dispense with all the cat and mouse game and just take him straight away to stay with me.  He said he never went off with a customer before, and also never did sexual things with them like we did…only handjobs.  Of course, isn’t that what they all say?  Color me skeptical.

Feeling somewhat melancholy…a little excited about the tour starting and getting to see different areas of Thailand, but thinking about all of the fun I have experienced in Bangkok like never before and really hate to be leaving the city.  Thai friends have invited me to use their condo in Pattaya during the winter months in Colorado and I just may take them up on the offer so I can spend more time in this glorious city.  Bangkok and Pattaya are not that far away from each other.  Much closer than Denver and Bangkok!!! LOL   Need to pack, check out of Ibis, and take taxi to Galleria 10 off Sukhumvit.  Had message from Grinder guy #2…the one I really like.  We will get together later in the evening after the tour ‘meet and greet’.  Seeing Bee again will make leaving Sam bearable. I feel like I should put a revolving door on my hotel room…or a post a sign that says ‘take a number.  Wish this would have happened to me 30 years ago!

[khaolakguy]

8 hours ago, jason1975 said:

2k baht is low for short time in Bangkok. It's minimum 2.5k baht at Freshboys. That's what management tells the guys to say to customers. At other bars, it's 2.5k to 3k depending on individuals.

There are endless discussions about tipping rates, and I am no oil painting, but I was only asked for 2K for short time before offing a popular guy from Dreamboys earlier this year. So the rates you are quoting may not be as hard and fast as you think.