LOS Trip Report

[floridarob]

3 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

Perhaps I am reading too much into this and should just go with the flow?

Vamos a ver, is a phrase I use a lot (Let's see).

Take it one day at a time without committing to anything.... see who fucks it up first 🤷‍♂️ 

 

[jason1975]

8 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

 It's great to hear that your massage at Paradise led to several encounters with a nice man named "Sam." I think you'd say Paradise was the best massage shop for you during your trip so far. Am I right? Paradise is also high on my list to try (I haven't been there before). I've read several positive things about Paradise on this forum. I'm especially impressed that the facilities are good, better than the average massage shop. See also the post below about it:

I searched but couldn't find a site or account where Paradise shows the massage boys you can choose from. Does anyone have a link/line account?

As far as I know, Paradise Massage does not have a Line account. Neither do the other massage shops on Soi 6 - Sun Massage, Chillax Massage. They don't have photos of the guys for you to look at. You have to appear at the shops and look at them in person. All are willing to offer extras. You will have to ask them individually what they are willing to do and the tip they expect.

 

[Enchanted_Elixir]

I can confirm that Chillax massage, Relax and 9-teen boy all got Line accounts where you can make reservations if you like and see pictures. Reservations are not needed for those shops however. 

[vinapu]

11 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

.......and didn’t expect Bee to broach the subject of boyfriend.  Was not prepared for that conversation and did not see that coming at all.

So, would appreciate thoughts of forum members on this.  Exact words: “I want to be your boyfriend, what should I do?  I’ve never had a boyfriend.  I’m not sweet.  I’m straightforward.  I like my privacy.  Would you accept me?  I’d like to know your feelings.”   Advice, suggestions, comments, recommendations…?!?!?   

it's why while there I prefer to deal with bars, massage shops and if Grindr, with boys  clearly  hinting they are money boys (MS). I simply don't believe in boyfriendship where great distance is involved. For some people it may work, for most it will not.

When dealing with commercial scene it's easier to do the deed, pay up and go own way. 

Just this Thursday , out of blue i got  photos of boys I was with , each on hospital bed. Neither did ask for anything but when I asked " what's wrong, are you sick? ", no responses com either. Both Cambodian and in Cambodia. If they ask for money I have well rehearsed response " I only give money when we meet in my room"  .

 

Even if your guy had a job and doesn't need any support from you I don't think it will work due to distance you are living apart. Good he did not ask you to marry him.

[jason1975]

2 hours ago, Enchanted_Elixir said:

I can confirm that Chillax massage, Relax and 9-teen boy all got Line accounts where you can make reservations if you like and see pictures. Reservations are not needed for those shops however. 

Good to know that they have Line accounts and able to request to look at pictures of massage guys.

So currently, it's only Paradise and Sun Massage that do not have Line accounts.

[jason1975]

1 hour ago, vinapu said:

I simply don't believe in boyfriendship where great distance is involved. For some people it may work, for most it will not.

It works for me. But not really great distance. Our distance is not that great. Only 2 hours. Hehe.

On a more serious note, a relationship will only last if there is a willingness to be invested in each other's lives. Constant communication is very important.

[a-447]

15 hours ago, jason1975 said:

5 = "Ha" in Thai

555 = Hahaha! 🤣

I think I've posted this before, but in case you missed it.....

The girls in Soi Thaniya - the soi next to Patpong which caters exclusively for Japanese tourists - refer to their clients as 555.

5 inches, 5 minutes, 5000 yen!

[PeterRS]

15 hours ago, jimmie50 said:

So, would appreciate thoughts of forum members on this.  Exact words: “I want to be your boyfriend, what should I do?  I’ve never had a boyfriend.  I’m not sweet.  I’m straightforward.  I like my privacy.  Would you accept me?  I’d like to know your feelings.”   Advice, suggestions, comments, recommendations…?!?!?    Says the age difference does not bother him whatsoever.  Distance is something we can figure out.

I have tried to make a long distance relationship work more than once, and both broke down. No matter how sincere the young man is in what he said, I suggest you have to know him over a much longer period before going into a boyfriend relationship (i.e. several visits in a couple of which you spend virtually all your time with him). Good luck.

[floridarob]

2 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Only 2 hours.

In the air.... then there's the to/from airports on both ends among other stuff....🤷‍♂️

[jimmie50]

20 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Are you retiring in Thailand?

Well, that was never in the plans, but I am certainly open to the possibility.  I was in a ten year relationship with someone from Taiwan.  We lived together in the US, but also lived in Taiwan for awhile because of his job.  I was able to take a sabbatical, and found it possible to teach English when we were living in Taiwan as a way to keep myself occupied and also to meet people.  

[jimmie50]

19 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

Is this the Prestige massage you are talking about? https://prestigemassageofficial.com/

Yes, this is the Prestige.  I really like the Sathorn location.  Never been to their new location off Sukhumvit, so cannot speak to the facilities.  I was told by therapists at Sathorn that there is no elevator at the other location, so if steps is an issue, they did not recommend it.  

[jimmie50]

19 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

Thanks for this comprehensive insight into S'Sense Massage.

The guys are really handsome, and others from the forum like this shop.  I believe TongTong is a favorite among the group. I imagine some of the guys are willing to break the rules if they have an interest in you as well.  Don't know about that.  I have just had better luck other places.  

[jimmie50]

19 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

searched but couldn't find a site or account where Paradise shows the massage boys you can choose from.

No website.  I think they have Facebook page, but no photos of boys.  They also have twitter, but only photos of the shop.  That will give you an idea about their facilities.  Neither of those have been updated recently, though.  

[jimmie50]

6 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I have tried to make a long distance relationship work more than once, and both broke down. No matter how sincere the young man is in what he said, I suggest you have to know him over a much longer period before going into a boyfriend relationship

I am not a long distance person, so that wouldn't work.  If this ends up happening, I'll be changing my retirement plans from Colorado to Thailand.  Like you, I have 'been there, done that' with a young man in Peru and another in Guatemala.  Was in a long term for ten+ years with someone from Taiwan, but we lived together both in US and Taiwan.  So, from that standpoint, the only way this would really work for me is if I am living in Thailand.  Going to take my friends up on their condo offer and plan to return in February for at least two months, possibly three.  That will allow us to spend more time together and really get to know each other better.  For now, just going slow and easy.  

[jimmie50]

Day 10 Bangkok

Well, woke up to the news that the Queen Mother had passed away.  Not sure what impact that will have on our itinerary for the day.  This morning we are scheduled to go to the Grand Palace, but I suspect it may be closed.  I believe we should be ok to visit Wat Arun and Thongburi Klongs.  Was just about to hop in the shower when the power went off in the hotel.  Pitch dark in the room.  Was out for about 30 minutes.  No clue what the problem was.  Could have been an outage in the area, or just something with this building.

The hotel room is larger than Ibis, but not by much, and little to no storage.  You can definitely tell this is an older building.  It is showing signs of wear over the years.  Breakfast buffet was really very similar to Ibis.  There was a mix of Asian and Western cuisines, eggs cooked to order, pastries, bread for toast, fresh fruits, cold cereals, juices and coffee.  No idea about the cost of breakfast here since it is included in the tour package.  Breakfast and Lunch is included every day, plus five dinners.  Group is an interesting mix of people, but I find that always to be the case when I have taken other tours.  Smaller group than usual, with only 22 persons total.  Six from Australia…believe they are all related somehow, late 60’s or early 70’s and retired.  Four retired females from Canada who do an annual trip together, again late 60’s or early 70’s.  Mother/son duo from LA.  Son is probably mid-30’s and mother mid-60’s.  Lesbian couple from Arizona…late 40’s or early 50’s.  Single female from San Diego.  Four male friends from Orlando in mid-30’s who enjoy taking tours together.  No hint whatsoever of ‘family’.  Way too much testosterone in that group, and interest in the World Series.  lol.  Two other retired females, but don’t recall where they are from, and then me.  Two of the Aussie’s have health issues and were struggling to keep up with the group today because there is a lot of walking involved.  In addition to the Tour Director and Bus Driver, there is also a Bus Assistant to help with luggage, entry/exit on bus, pass out cold water, etc.  The assistant is a handsome young man in mid-20’s I would guess and sexy as all get out.  Had a difficult time taking my eyes off of him.  Chose a seat on the bus strategically located next to the ice chest where he retrieves the water for everyone, always look him directly in the eye and thank him by name for everything.  He always responds with the biggest smile.  Not sure where the staff lodge when we are outside Bangkok, but need to investigate that a little more.  lol.

No surprise.  Grand Palace was officially closed to observe a 100 day period of mourning and to prepare for the funeral of Queen Mother.  I suspected that was going to happen, as did most of the rest of the group.  We did get to see the Reclining Buddha and Emerald Buddha.  The grounds and building that houses the Emerald Buddha were actually more impressive than the Buddha.  I had no idea it was so small.  Anyway, no real excitement to report.  Had a nice lunch at a restaurant along the river not far from the Grand Palace and continued on our scheduled itinerary.  Returned to the hotel around 5pm, so plenty of time to get into mischief if I decide to venture back out this evening.  Some in the group opted for an additional item to visit the Jim Thompson House.  Been there before, so decided against going again.  Had a nice chat via LINE with Bee.  Decided if I got back to the hotel tomorrow and it wasn’t too late, we will try to meet briefly one more time before the bus heads north on Monday.

[Enchanted_Elixir]

1 hour ago, jimmie50 said:

The guys are really handsome, and others from the forum like this shop.  I believe TongTong is a favorite among the group. I imagine some of the guys are willing to break the rules if they have an interest in you as well.  Don't know about that.  I have just had better luck other places.  

I can offer some insight, also to @emiel1981

We are not systematic on this forum, but in Thai massage reviews they make distinctions between S, SS and H massage places depending on the service offered.

Some places like Jey Spa, Senso man club and The Prince are classified as H places where full service is offered and expected. S - Soft (HJ mostly) and SS - super soft (B2B) places have stricter rules. Their owners want to keep up a veneer of respectability. Thus there is a limit to what the therapists can offer, and going beyond that will incur the wrath of management. These places will usually offer massage at a much higher level. Whereas at H places massage can often be simply five minutes of dry rubbing. Ssense is SS, whereas Prestige at least used to be strictly S. However Prestige has at least two OF models in their roster Maioak and Gabbies. 

These classifications and rules does not mean that more is never offered at such places, but that will not be discussed in a public forum like this.

[emiel1981]

41 minutes ago, Enchanted_Elixir said:

However Prestige has at least two OF models in their roster Maioak and Gabbies. 

If you post names, I can't help myself to google them. Found a, euhm, let's say very interesting and entertaining X-account of Mr. Gabbies....  I have something to scroll through this Sunday afternoon... LOL

[daydreamer]

18 hours ago, a-447 said:

I think I've posted this before, but in case you missed it.....

The girls in Soi Thaniya - the soi next to Patpong which caters exclusively for Japanese tourists - refer to their clients as 555.

5 inches, 5 minutes, 5000 yen!

I have also heard that play on words a few times over the years, but I believe it was always stated as 5,000 baht, not 5,000 Japanese yen.

At the current exchange rates, 5,000 yen is only worth a bit over 1,000 baht.  I suspect the Soi Thaniya girls would not be very pleased with only 1,000 baht as payment for their services.

 

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, daydreamer said:

I have also heard that play on words a few times over the years, but I believe it was always stated as 5,000 baht, not 5,000 Japanese yen.

At the current exchange rates, 5,000 yen is only worth a bit over 1,000 baht.  I suspect the Soi Thaniya girls would not be very pleased with only 1,000 baht as payment for their services.

 

Whilst I totally agree the amount is basically peanuts, do remember, though, that in the 'saying' this is for just 5 minutes! A one hour session in ¥ would therefore be 12,000 baht. I think even those girls in Soi Thaniya would be very happy with that! 

[daydreamer]

15 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

Whilst I totally agree the amount is basically peanuts, do remember, though, that in the 'saying' this is for just 5 minutes! A one hour session in ¥ would therefore be 12,000 baht. I think even those girls in Soi Thaniya would be very happy with that! 

Well, the statement is made in jest amongst the Soi Thaniya girls, poking fun at their Japanese customers behind their backs, by implying that Japanese cocks are only five inches long, and the Japanese men can only last for five minutes during sex, but they pay very well for their five minutes of action. 

[vinapu]

21 hours ago, jason1975 said:

Our distance is not that great. Only 2 hours.

That's nothing. One of my closest friends was commuting to work 1 hr 45 mins  ONE WAY !!! for over 20 years

[a-447]

Yes, it's 5000 baht, not yen.

As for commuting distance, the father of a friend of mine in Japan was no longer wanted at his company, but they couldn't fire him. So instead, they transferred him to another branch 4 HOURS ONE WAY out of Tokyo.

And so he commuted 8 hours every day for over 3 years! 

It was his way of saying 'fuck you' to the company.

[jimmie50]

Day 11 Ayutthaya

Our day started with an early morning (6:30am!) coach ride to visit Ayutthaya, Thailand's historic core, now an intriguing archaeological park with palace, temple, and statue ruins. Highlights of the day were visits to Wat Maha That and Wat Lokayasutharam. We probably had about four hours exploring the ancient grounds.  Our tour guide was excellent and provided a lot of interesting historical information that helped put things in better perspective for me.  I had visited Ayutthaya previously with my Thai friends, but even they do not know all of the history.  For them it was just a visit to some old ruins, but they could not provide any context.  While I enjoyed visiting with my friends, I appreciated this experience more because of the historical information.  Next, we had a cruise back to Bangkok, savoring a buffet lunch with Chao Phraya River views, local scenes, and landmarks like the Royal Grand Palace and Wat Arun.  It was a full day, with plenty of walking, but well worth the repeat visit.  The tour company used Grand Pearl cruise, and the food was excellent and plentiful.  It is a smaller boat, so only our group was on board for the lunch and cruise back to Bangkok.  I’ve done a dinner river cruise in Bangkok before that was large, packed like sardines, and the food so-so.

We returned to the hotel around 5:30pm, so I sent a text to Bee right away.  He is still working, but will come to the hotel when he finishes for the day so we can spend a little time together tonight before the bus leaves Bangkok in the morning.  Last night in the city.  Had Bee not been available, I was considering a visit this evening to FaFa, but would prefer to spend my time with Bee.  Walked to a Subway just down the street from my hotel and picked up sandwiches and soda we can share together in the room.  Would prefer to do that than leave, run around trying to find a place to eat, order, wait for food, etc., all of which cuts into my quality alone time with him.  lol.

[jamiebee]

28 minutes ago, jimmie50 said:

Day 11 Ayutthaya

Our day started with an early morning (6:30am!) coach ride to visit Ayutthaya, Thailand's historic core, now an intriguing archaeological park with palace, temple, and statue ruins. Highlights of the day were visits to Wat Maha That and Wat Lokayasutharam. We probably had about four hours exploring the ancient grounds.  

 

Next, we had a cruise back to Bangkok, savoring a buffet lunch with Chao Phraya River views, local scenes, and landmarks like the Royal Grand Palace and Wat Arun.  It was a full day, with plenty of walking, but well worth the repeat visit.  The tour company used Grand Pearl cruise, and the food was excellent and plentiful.  It is a smaller boat, so only our group was on board for the lunch and cruise back to Bangkok.  

Ayutthaya Historical tour and Death Railway tour in Ratchaburi were one of the things I missed during my last visit this past April. I didn't know cruising back to Bangkok by boat is also an option.

Thank you for your Trip review, it gave me more ideas where to go and what to do on my next trip. 😁

 

[Keithambrose]

2 hours ago, jamiebee said:

Ayutthaya Historical tour and Death Railway tour in Ratchaburi were one of the things I missed during my last visit this past April. I didn't know cruising back to Bangkok by boat is also an option.

Thank you for your Trip review, it gave me more ideas where to go and what to do on my next trip. 😁

 

Death railway is well worth the drive.  There is a small museum there which is very interesting.  The Japanese  treated their own soldiers badly, as well. Also many more locals died on the railway  than POWs. A beautiful,  if that's the right word, war cemetery.

Re Ayutthaya,  I used Mac, from Siamroads, as my guide. Very good, and, at my request, took me to interesting parts of the city not much frequented by tourists. Many years ago, I came back by boat, run by the Shangri-la hotel, was good, but not sure it's still running. That tour included the summer Palace at Bang Pa In, which we enjoyed.