PeterRS Posted Thursday at 01:49 AM Posted Thursday at 01:49 AM For a city that has some of the most crowded parts of our planet housed in a vast number of high rise buildings, major fires in Hong Kong have been relatively uncommon. Yesterday afternoon, though, a massive one broke out spread out over seven tower blocks in the Tai Po district not far from the China border. 44 have been killed including one fireman and 279 remain unaccounted for. Many remain trapped in the upper floors which firemen are having difficulty reaching due to the intense heat at that level. With air-conditioning units having melted and no power, those on the upper levels still alive must be going through absolute hell. Photo: Getty Images Just after 7:00 am today Thai time the blaze had been raging for 16 hours and was still not under control. It is believed to be Hong Kong's deadliest fire since World War II. The cause of the blaze has not yet been identified. But experts have been saying it was made worse by the bamboo scaffoding surrounding the tower blocks which were having exterior renovation. Another has been inflammable polystyrene boards that have been covering many of the windows and which did not meet fire safety standards. Bamboo scaffolding is universal in Hong Kong and has been in use in mainland China for centuries. Two directors of the construction company and one of its consultants have already been arrested on suspicion of manslaughter. Location of the tower blocks Photo from CNN website https://edition.cnn.com/world/live-news/hong-kong-tai-po-buildings-fire-11-26-25 vinapu and splinter1949 2 Quote
PeterRS Posted Thursday at 02:35 PM Author Posted Thursday at 02:35 PM The fires have now been brought under control in all but one of the towers. The death toll has now risen to 65 with nearly 300 still unaccounted for. Fear remains for those on the upper floors who would have had no means of escape in the burning heat. The fireman who died had been overcome by smoke after entering a building to look for survivors. Locally, the sentiment has changed from one of horror to anger., How did this happen and how were fire alrams not heard, if indeed they went off? There is some concern about a possible building collapse but this is regarded as remote. Major corporations in Hong Kong and mainland China have been quick to make donations to help those who have lost so much. Jack Ma and his Alibaba Group have pledged almost US$7 million, other Chinese companies $1.25 million each. A Hong Kong consortium of companies has already pledged $12.5 million. Photo: Yan Zhao/AFP/Getty Images Quote
vinapu Posted yesterday at 01:44 AM Posted yesterday at 01:44 AM unspeakable horror for those trapped inside , many likely will perish without trace in such heat floridarob 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted yesterday at 02:57 AM Author Posted yesterday at 02:57 AM A real probem for this complex is that it housed mostly elderly people. The largest age grouping was those aged 65 and above. CNN has reported that of recent buyers, the youngest was in their 60s. It was one of the government's low cost housing complexs of which there are many in Hong Kong. Private rentals are so high that a broom cupbord in the city centre is basically unaffordable for most. Government public housing is sold at very substantial discounts resulting in long waiting lists. Residents of Wang Fuk Court became concerned about the cladding and fireproofing over a year ago when they started writing to the government about it. Between July 2024 and November 20 2025 the Labour Department had carred out 16 safety checks, the latest reminding the contractors of the need for fireproofing of materials. The death toll is now 94 with that total expected to rise to several hundred. https://edition.cnn.com/2025/11/27/asia/hong-kong-fire-survivors-questions-intl-hnk Quote
macaroni21 Posted 22 hours ago Posted 22 hours ago 15 hours ago, PeterRS said: A real probem for this complex is that it housed mostly elderly people. The largest age grouping was those aged 65 and above. CNN has reported that of recent buyers, the youngest was in their 60s. I have been following the news on this, and among the commentaries I have read (can't remember which one now) there was a truly sobering comment: the whole notion that the way to evacuate people in a fire is through the fire stairs has been called into question. These were 30-storey blocks. There must have been many elderly persons for whom going down 30 flights of stairs in a state of near panic would be physically impossible. Weak knees, weak hearts, poor eyesight.... Having been in a fire twice in my life, I don't fancy taking any risks. Silom Soi 2 is one alley I do not venture into. There was also one hotel in Vientiane which shocked me. I was returning to the hotel via a shortcut, which route took me past the side of the building where the exit of the fire stairs was. It was also where the back door of a restaurant was. And in the 2 metres of wall between one door and the next were cylinders and cylinders of cooking gas. Taking the fire stairs might lead you straight to an inferno of exploding gas cylinders. floridarob 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted 15 hours ago Author Posted 15 hours ago 6 hours ago, macaroni21 said: I have been following the news on this, and among the commentaries I have read (can't remember which one now) there was a truly sobering comment: the whole notion that the way to evacuate people in a fire is through the fire stairs has been called into question. These were 30-storey blocks. There must have been many elderly persons for whom going down 30 flights of stairs in a state of near panic would be physically impossible. Weak knees, weak hearts, poor eyesight.... Two other issues concern me. The passages within each tower block were narrow. One or two people with difficulty moving could hold up untold others. The second is that when some felt the fire - apparently it is now known that none of the fire alarms were working - they immeditely took the lifts to safety. With fire of such intensity, the chance of electricity failing is very high. The last place I'd want to get stuck in would be a lift between floors. When I lived in Hong Kong for 20 years, I was in two high rise blocks - the first 25 floors up, the second 34 floors up. Views were naturally spectacular. With 4 and 8 apartments per floor respectively, there were two quite generously sized stair exits per floor all well located in the heart of the buildings. But as these were privately constructed high rises, they were not low cost like those in Wang Fuk Court, and so not many older people - at least that I was aware of. When I stay in an hotel, the first thing I do is check the location of the fire stairs and count the number of doors I'll need to pass till I reach them. Once I was involved in a three-day event in Hong Kong's Ritz Carlton hotel located at the top of the tallest building and my room was on floor 117. I rather hoped they had parachutes in each room! Here in Bangkok I live on the top floor of an eight-story building. There are smoke detectors in each unit and fire hoses and extingiushers on each floor but no sprinkler system. The main open staircase is wide but a perfect funnel for fire. When I moved in, a second staircase at the back did not even have doors. I led a campaign to convert those stairs into a fire escape. Now we have occasional fire drills and biennial demonstrations from the fire department on how to use the fire prevention equipment. Now it feels a lot safer. Quote
PeterRS Posted 7 hours ago Author Posted 7 hours ago In the midst of this horrific tragedy it is heartwarmng to see so many people turning up to help in some way. A large community effort has been mobilised to help firefighters and other first responders as well as those with no homes. Separate supply stations for food, clothes and household goods have been set up in a square not far from the tower blocks. So much has been donated that calls have been put out on social media for no more donations for the time being. As one city councillor said, such communiy efforts have become a well oiled machine, ironically as a result of the weeks and months of protests in 2014 and 2019. Quote
Moses Posted 5 hours ago Posted 5 hours ago On 11/28/2025 at 5:57 AM, PeterRS said: The largest age grouping was those aged 65 and above. In 40 years old buildings the largest group 65+ is not a wonder 10 hours ago, PeterRS said: I rather hoped they had parachutes in each room! with parachute you will be killed in 100% due rising air flow around hot walls... 0% chance to escape with parachute 17 hours ago, macaroni21 said: the whole notion that the way to evacuate people in a fire is through the fire stairs has been called into question Evacuation stairs and safety floors once per 20-30 floors are most common and not that expensive options... elevators with fireproof systems exists, but they cost up to 25% of the cost of building By the way, buildings were constructed under British construction regulation laws (BS 476 - fireproof) and sold in 1983 under British governor Edward Youde, appointed to position by Margaret Thatcher mauRICE 1 Quote
PeterRS Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 1 hour ago, Moses said: with parachute you will be killed in 100% due rising air flow around hot walls... 0% chance to escape with parachute It was a joke! Quote
PeterRS Posted 3 hours ago Author Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, Moses said: By the way, buildings were constructed under British construction regulation laws (BS 476 - fireproof) and sold in 1983 under British governor Edward Youde, appointed to position by Margaret Thatcher And what on earth has that to do with the discussion. Absolutely nothing! My first home for 11 years was on the 25th floor of a complex of 44 skyscrapers named Baguio Villa on the Island's west coast all completed by 1981. For your information the governor at that time was the excellent and much admired Sir Murray MacLehose. I suspect the building codes were much the same as in the early 1980s. Quote
Moses Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 13 minutes ago, PeterRS said: And what on earth has that to do with the discussion. Absolutely nothing! So, you think British Standard about fire safety has "Absolutely nothing" with fire in the building constructed in accordance with that standard? Quote
floridarob Posted 2 hours ago Posted 2 hours ago 1 hour ago, PeterRS said: It was a joke! See how it feels 😝 Quote