UK to Consider Male Circumcision as "a potential form of child abuse"

[Riobard]

8 hours ago, unicorn said:

Interestingly enough, I couldn't find a scientific study of gay men's preferences! However, this meta-analysis looked at studies of women's preferences, and there have apparently been quite a few of them, mostly including cultures in which male circumcision (MC) is NOT the norm. This meta-analysis put together the results of 29 studies:

https://academic.oup.com/smoa/article/7/2/145/6956488

"... Cultural differences in preference were evident among some of the studies examined. Nevertheless, a preference for a circumcised penis was seen in most populations regardless of the frequency of MC in the study setting... Women’s preferences generally favor the circumcised penis for sexual activity, hygiene, and lower risk of infection. The findings add to the already well-established health benefits favoring MC and provide important sociosexual information on an issue of widespread interest...".

A substantial proportion of uncircumcised MSM indicated a hypothetical willingness for circumcision uptake in the event that HIV transmission risk would be mitigated. The inquiry was posed given that noncircumcision is considered to inflate the relative odds of transmission. Circumcision willingness may depend on subsequently accessible protective factors but openness to trade off foreskin for personal and collective health is notable.

Some may had also caught an eyeful of some of the daunting wellness-dismissive trolls, you know, those with the stated entitlement, troll-dolled up as preference, to compromise short- and longterm health for the sake of a developmentally immaturely constructed arousal boost. 

Cue the pathetic boos and hisses. Losers are as losers do. 

Otherwise, it is true that there are no data that depict any particular trend related to MSM partner selectivity based on circumcision status. 

[PeterRS]

14 hours ago, Riobard said:

First a pool therapy club with gossamer water wings craning for a gander at the lifeguard they’ll never have, cut or not. Now a poorly packaged misogynistic circle jerk floating in its own incontinence. 

Idiotic comment!

[PeterRS]

20 hours ago, unicorn said:

(2) that those who are against circumcision stop promulgating factually false information. If there are, indeed, 3 billion uncircumcised men on this planet, then 300,000 young boys died for that reason, and tens of millions had serious childhood urinary tract infections as a result. I won't entertain cosmetic opinions in what, one would hope, would be an intelligent discussion.

False Information? Tell that to all the non-American countries which have or are considering banning circumcision apart from for religious or cultural reasons. Their findings are based on false information? What nonsesne you spout! And clearly you do not read earlier posts. Yet again you state ridiculous "facts" which you state as fact. You have absolutely no idea how many boys died as a result of not being crcumcised - not one shred of evidence. You guess! You equally have not the faintest idea how many die during or as a result of the operation itself. 

Since you are a fan of statistics, one study estimates that 1.3% of male neonatal deaths in the USA from all causes occur as a result of botched circumcisions. In 2022 there were 1.88 million male births in the USA. That results in 24,400 deaths. Fact!

Then look at the numbers in The Philippines where admittedly it is a cultural issue and boys are willing to be circumcised but only becauseof tradition and all their schoolfriends are. They do not want to be "different". Although not a cultural issue, the same was true in South Korea where boys at school felt 'different' if they were not circumcised because of the influence solely of American doctors. Without that American influence, circumcision is likely to have remained virtually unknown in that country. And the introduction of circumcision occurred in the immediate post war period long before many of the official studies quoted earlier were conducted. 

Lastly, the rate of circumcision is declining in the USA largely as a result of mass immigration of peoples for whom circumcision is not practised- those from Chinese speaking, South and East Asian, Spanish and other nations - who make up 15.8% of the US population. What are you doing to encourage these peoples to go against their natural traditions? As those immigrant boys mix with their American friends, more Americans will see that circumcision is not the universal truth they have been led to believe.

[floridarob]

28 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

, the rate of circumcision is declining in the USA largely as a result of mass immigration

That will be a reversing trend 😏

[unicorn]

32 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

...Since you are a fan of statistics, one study estimates that 1.3% of male neonatal deaths in the USA from all causes occur as a result of botched circumcisions...

What an outrageous, insane lie. What's the link to the study? More anti-circumcision BS, once again.

[PeterRS]

12 minutes ago, unicorn said:

What an outrageous, insane lie. What's the link to the study? More anti-circumcision BS, once again.

I am giving up trying to reason with one who will not listen to reason. And no doubt you feel the same way - although you are almost totally wrong! 😵

[unicorn]

3 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I am giving up trying to reason with one who will not listen to reason. And no doubt you feel the same way - although you are almost totally wrong! 😵

I provide actual scientific facts, with links to actual data, and you counter with a preposterous lie! Shameful! You should get in bed with @Moses. You two deserve each other. 🤮

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, unicorn said:

I provide actual scientific facts, with links to actual data, and you counter with a preposterous lie! Shameful! You should get in bed with @Moses. You two deserve each other. 🤮

You present facts based upon US medicine. Other countries base their research on similar types of cases. But you in America elect not even to consider that you might - just - be wrong.

As for deserving @Moses, I can tell you I'd much rather live in Moscow than Los Angeles. It's an amazing city. I have been in Los Angeles half a dozen times. Apart from the Getty Museum, the Disney Concert Hall and a few bars and restaurants, I have zero desire to return. In fact, looking at lists of things to do in Los Angeles, the few sites I have checked have as many hotels oon them as proper sights to see! It's just a huge freeway choking in car fumes.

[Blah]

21 hours ago, PeterRS said:

You present facts based upon US medicine.

And look who the US Secretary of Health and Human Services is... I rest my case.

Brain worm anyone?  🐛

[unicorn]

On 1/16/2026 at 11:51 PM, PeterRS said:

You present facts based upon US medicine. Other countries base their research on similar types of cases...

Only an abject fool would think that scientific facts change on the basis of political boundaries or due to public opinion. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to come up with studies to dispute the ones I referenced. 

[PeterRS]

1 hour ago, unicorn said:

Only an abject fool would think that scientific facts change on the basis of political boundaries or due to public opinion. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to come up with studies to dispute the ones I referenced. 

Do you know something? You are acting like the child you were roughly a year ago when you were discussing the farmer outside Tokyo who for decades had refused to sell his land to enable Narita Airport to expand as it wished. You told readers in post after post after post after post that he was wrong. He should have taken the money. Yet those who had lived in Japan a great deal longer than your few weeks there, who understood and respected Japan's history, culture and traditions, who understood how the Japanese revere their land, who accepted the decision of the governments of the day and who, most importantly of all, respected the views of the tens of millions of Japanese (if not more) who sided with the farmer, meant absolutely nothing to you. They were wrong! The farmer was wrong! Only you were right!

Now it is the same. You refuse to accept that other government medical experts may be wrong on the issue of cicumcision because you are right.  Well, you are again wrong!

And guess what? The farmer is still there. And world governments who are not in favour of circumcision will not change their minds after all the debate on the issue just because you throw at them some studies they no doubt read ages and ages ago. Do with your copies as you wish. But accept that a large majority of our varied world just does not agree with the practice. End of discussion.

[unicorn]

58 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

...Now it is the same....

Yes, it's the same in that you refuse to acknowledge indisputable facts, and believe that opinion overrides facts.

[PeterRS]

45 minutes ago, unicorn said:

Yes, it's the same in that you refuse to acknowledge indisputable facts, and believe that opinion overrides facts.

You really are being stupid on this issue. Unlike you I am far from the one making any judgements here. We are talking about governments for whom I am trying to add a voice. And if you think every government is as dumb as that of the United States that has since the end of WWII maimed and killed millions of their own and not only murdered many tens of millions in the rest of the world, it continues to murder them as in Laos, the most bombed country in the history of the world where it dropped a planeload of mostly cluster bombs every eight minutes of every day for nine whole years. Laos, a tiny landlocked country where the USA will still not pay world agencies to clean up the hundreds of millions of cluster bombs remaining in the ground which kill and main young children every year.  Perhaps if it diverted funds away from padding doctors' bills through circumcising American babies, it might use the funds to consider cleaning up the disasters it has left behind and which continue to kill others in other parts of the world.

It is governments that have decided they do not wish male babies circumcised - not me! WHen will you get that into your head? Yet you stated unequivocally without any justification or proof these same governments have condemned 300,000 children to death. How utterly ridiculous can you get!

[floridarob]

I'm glad I'm not the only one that bickers endlessly 😝

[Keithambrose]

6 hours ago, floridarob said:

I'm glad I'm not the only one that bickers endlessly 😝

Yes, interesting  isn't it. At some point I might actually read it!

[unicorn]

18 hours ago, PeterRS said:

... End of discussion.

 

16 hours ago, PeterRS said:

...the United States that has since the end of WWII maimed and killed millions of their own and not only murdered many tens of millions in the rest of the world, it continues to murder them as in Laos...

Well, you lied again when you said you were ending the discussion. It's extremely childish to stay entrenched in one's position when presented with hard facts which disprove one's opinion--just like Trumpers and MAGA-heads. Your "arguments" are simply (1) Most parents follow the father's lead, and most men aren't cut, (2) Lies about a fake study, and (3) Obviously completely irrelevant side-tracks about Laos, etc., which have nothing to do with the facts at hand. Well, you're not alone in your childishness. A majority voted for Trump, ignoring undeniable evidence that he's a liar and a fraud (criminal conviction for fraud, repeating for 11 years that he has a health care plan but not divulging it, obvious lies such as his statement that immigrants eat pets, etc.), so the majority must be right, according to you. You just go with the majority and don't care to even consider the facts.

[PeterRS]

44 minutes ago, unicorn said:

You just go with the majority and don't care to even consider the facts.

Ha! So typical! When a poster changes his decision on the basis of yet more idiocy from another member, you call it liying! And you post silly little cartoon-type pics supposedly to demean another poster. Don't be even more childish than you have shown yourself to be so far. We get it! Understand? You are pro-circumcision. Your choice based on your understanding of the research. I GET IT! Your view is entrenched and will not change! I GET THAT!

I speak for the majority of nations in the world and the majority of the peoples of this world that have chosen a different path. I have no access to their research or the reasoning for their decisions. But the very fact that a vast majority in the world are uncircumcised without any religious or cultural reasoning shows that you and the American medical system give no attention to others than yourelves. Which i suppose in the end of the day is what indeed should happen.

I am sure other members are now pissed off with yet another Japanese farmer-type impasse. Leave it be!

[unicorn]

26 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

...I speak for the majority of nations in the world...

Nothing new.

[PeterRS]

1 minute ago, unicorn said:

Nothing new.

Nor is your attaching childish videos on what are very serious subjects!

[Blah]

20 hours ago, unicorn said:

Only an abject fool would think that scientific facts change on the basis of political boundaries or due to public opinion. I won't hold my breath waiting for you to come up with studies to dispute the ones I referenced. 

"There are three kinds of lies: lies, damned lies, and statistics," Mark Twain (via Benjamin Disraeli)

[unicorn]

3 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

Nor is your attaching childish videos on what are very serious subjects!

Nor in your childish belief that majority opinion equates with fact.

[PeterRS]

1 minute ago, unicorn said:

Nor in your childish belief that majority opinion equates with fact.

Blah! Blah! Blah!

[Blah]

I've met too many circumcised men who really do mourn their foreskin. Some even try to reverse it (with weights), but it rarely works.

I really feel sorry for them.  ✂️ 🥖

 

[floridarob]

7 minutes ago, Blah said:

I've met too many circumcised men who really do mourn their foreskin.

I was circumcised as a baby... it's all I know, how can I mourn the loss if I don't know what the feeling is otherwise?

Like mourning the loss of our tails, long claws or appendix?

But yeah, I've had uncut guys try to describe their pleasure  of the foreskin going over the head while jerking or fucking,,,,, I've tried to stretch the skin over my life, without weights.... when my dick is soft, some guys think I'm uncut, but isn't the same, even successfully stretching the skin wouldn't be the same:

Yes, the skin removed during circumcision is biologically specialized and significantly different from the regular skin on the penile shaft. While you can stretch shaft skin to physically cover the glans, that skin lacks the unique cellular and sensory structures of a natural foreskin. 

 

Biological Differences

The foreskin is not just "extra skin"; it is a complex, multi-layered structure with two distinct types of tissue: 

• Mucosal Inner Lining: The side that touches the glans is a mucous membrane, similar to the inside of your eyelid or mouth. It is non-keratinized (soft and moist) and contains specialized "ridged band" tissue.
• Outer Layer: The outside is typical pigmented skin, but it is unique for being thin, highly elastic, and devoid of hair follicles.
• Nerve Density: The foreskin contains thousands of fine-touch receptors called Meissner’s corpuscles. Stretching regular shaft skin increases its surface area, but it does not "grow" new specialized nerve endings; it simply spreads existing ones thinner. 

[Blah]

17 minutes ago, floridarob said:

I was circumcised as a baby... it's all I know, how can I mourn the loss if I don't know what the feeling is otherwise?

Like mourning the loss of our tails, long claws or appendix?

But yeah, I've had uncut guys try to describe their pleasure  of the foreskin going over the head while jerking or fucking,,,,, I've tried to stretch the skin over my life, without weights.... when my dick is soft, some guys think I'm uncut, but isn't the same, even successfully stretching the skin wouldn't be the same:

Yes, the skin removed during circumcision is biologically specialized and significantly different from the regular skin on the penile shaft. While you can stretch shaft skin to physically cover the glans, that skin lacks the unique cellular and sensory structures of a natural foreskin. 

 

Biological Differences

The foreskin is not just "extra skin"; it is a complex, multi-layered structure with two distinct types of tissue: 

• Mucosal Inner Lining: The side that touches the glans is a mucous membrane, similar to the inside of your eyelid or mouth. It is non-keratinized (soft and moist) and contains specialized "ridged band" tissue.
• Outer Layer: The outside is typical pigmented skin, but it is unique for being thin, highly elastic, and devoid of hair follicles.
• Nerve Density: The foreskin contains thousands of fine-touch receptors called Meissner’s corpuscles. Stretching regular shaft skin increases its surface area, but it does not "grow" new specialized nerve endings; it simply spreads existing ones thinner. 

Mourning isn't always about memory, it's also about deprivation. If your mother, died giving birth to you, wouldn't you mourn her? The grief comes from realising something was taken or denied, not just from having a memory of it.

But if you're circumcised and happy, good for you