spoon Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago If the concern is more on appearance in silom, why not just stay elsewhere and never visit silom? Or skip bangkok altogether floridarob and mauRICE 2 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 19 hours ago Author Posted 19 hours ago 17 minutes ago, spoon said: If the concern is more on appearance in silom, why not just stay elsewhere and never visit silom? Or skip bangkok altogether Good point, and I did mention to him we could stay in a different part of Bangkok...didn't have to be Silom. I know he loves the beach, so possibly Pattaya, but he is a little concerned about traveling around Thailand given his status. I think there is safety in familiarity. floridarob 1 Quote
zoomomancs Posted 19 hours ago Posted 19 hours ago 31 minutes ago, jimmie50 said: I have a general question about this situation that I need some assistance with. First of all, Cam has not asked or even hinted at me sending him any money. However, I would like to be able to occasionally do that for him over the next several months, and also in the event of any emergency situation that might come up. He obviously does not have a Thai bank account. He has no official Thai photo ID. I cannot send him money via Western Union that he could pick up at the local office since his only form of identification is an old ID from Cambodia. He does have a bank account in Cambodia. I did a test run to see if I could send money to his bank account via Western Union, but that option does not seem to exist. Western Union only offers cash pick up at a local office in Cambodia, or mobile app called Wing. Does any forum member know how to send money to a Cambodian bank account? I do have his bank information, including SWIFT Code, Account number, Bank address...so if nothing else I can do an international wire transfer from my bank to his bank. But there must be another way or easier solution. Any suggestions? I've not used it but the internet seems to think that Wise funded by a bank transfer is best. My experience, over 15 years and some 56 visits to Thailand, is that the families start nagging the man we like for the foreigner to send money for 'urgent' reasons. That is very hard for the man we like to resist. bkkmfj2648 1 Quote
Popular Post hank75 Posted 17 hours ago Popular Post Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, jimmie50 said: Instead of off fee for 90 days, we would only need to pay for 78 days Please excuse me if this sounds blunt. In all honesty, this is excessive. I have never heard of paying an off fee for months on end. When I make arrangements to meet boys outside the bar, whether for several days or lengthy durations I have never paid off fee to the bar nor worried about it. I pay the boy, the boy settles the bar in his own way. It is very common for boys to take long leaves of absence or just blissfully vanish then reappear. They are never barred from returning to work. Bars need boys, especially popular boys, to stay in business. Don’t make the mistake of trying to do his job for him. Your job is to pay Cam the agreed stipend. Let him talk to his friends who may have been in similar situations and find the solution. Being able to keep more money for his farm and family will be a great motivator. What is the longest time he has been booked out from the bar before, and how did he handle it? 2 hours ago, jimmie50 said: then he is seen around Silom with me that it will create problems for him at the end of the three months. Yes, I’ve taken boys on trips and they did not post pictures on their social media as that would conflict with their “buffalo sick and half dead also my grandmother” stories. The acceptable compromise is for Cam to work out his solution with the bar, and for both of you to occasionally drop by and support the bar by having drinks and tipping mamasan. Appropriate to also pay Cam’s off fee on these occasions. Everyone will be happy. bkkmfj2648, jimmie50, vinapu and 2 others 3 2 Quote
hank75 Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, jimmie50 said: . He obviously does not have a Thai bank account. Have you clarified with him where his passport is at? It is only recently after Thai-Cambodian skirmishes that the status for Cambodian guys has become awkward. Prior to that all boys were able to enter Thailand legally with a 30 or 60 day visa in their passport and with this visa they were able to collect Western Union. Many Cambodians boys (at least all that I know) have Thai bank accounts though it was easier for those who started working some years ago, maybe not new arrivals. I have sent money twice to “middlemen”. One to a Cambodian with a Thai bank account who then sent the money on to the boy’s mother in Cambodia. The second time to one who picked up cash in Cambodia. Both times the money arrived safely. I assume there was a small fee. Cam can ask around to locate such middlemen if he doesn’t know one already. Otherwise you can send money to a bar friend of Cam’s which is common. Don’t send large amounts as Cam will have to offer a tip for the help. vinapu and jimmie50 2 Quote
Members daydreamer Posted 17 hours ago Members Posted 17 hours ago 3 hours ago, jimmie50 said: Does any forum member know how to send money to a Cambodian bank account? I do have his bank information, including SWIFT Code, Account number, Bank address...so if nothing else I can do an international wire transfer from my bank to his bank. But there must be another way or easier solution. Any suggestions? Remitly.com and Wise do transfers to Cambodian banks, and Remitly also allows cash pick up in Cambodia, with no bank account needed. A Remitly or Wise international transfer is much cheaper than a bank wire transfer. Remitly also does transfers for pick up from Thai banks, without the recipient needing a bank account, however that requires a government ID card to receive the cash, so would not work for Cam. Another option would be a Visa reloadable prepaid card, that can be used to withdraw cash from bank ATMs in Thailand (no ID card required). You could send him a prepaid Visa card with zero balance (or a minimal $5 balance). Once he receives the Visa card and the PIN number, you could then fund the card, and reload it with funds as you wish. You would need to ensure Cam would be aware of the ATM fees, so that he would withdraw a large amount in one tranche, instead of small 200 or 500 baht withdrawals, which would result in the balance being eaten up by ATM fees. https://www.visa.com/en-us/personal/cards/prepaid/reloadable# bkkmfj2648, vinapu and jimmie50 3 Quote
cfnmhertsuk Posted 17 hours ago Posted 17 hours ago 2 hours ago, jimmie50 said: I have a general question about this situation that I need some assistance with. First of all, Cam has not asked or even hinted at me sending him any money. However, I would like to be able to occasionally do that for him over the next several months, and also in the event of any emergency situation that might come up. He obviously does not have a Thai bank account. He has no official Thai photo ID. I cannot send him money via Western Union that he could pick up at the local office since his only form of identification is an old ID from Cambodia. He does have a bank account in Cambodia. I did a test run to see if I could send money to his bank account via Western Union, but that option does not seem to exist. Western Union only offers cash pick up at a local office in Cambodia, or mobile app called Wing. Does any forum member know how to send money to a Cambodian bank account? I do have his bank information, including SWIFT Code, Account number, Bank address...so if nothing else I can do an international wire transfer from my bank to his bank. But there must be another way or easier solution. Any suggestions? Try Remitly. I use it to send money to the Philippines each month. The recipient gets the money same day; low transaction fee. I won't do an international wire transfer bank-to-bank; the transaction fee is ridiculous. vinapu, jimmie50 and PeterRS 3 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 16 hours ago Author Posted 16 hours ago 1 hour ago, hank75 said: Please excuse me if this sounds blunt. In all honesty, this is excessive. I have never heard of paying an off fee for months on end. When I make arrangements to meet boys outside the bar, whether for several days or lengthy durations I have never paid off fee to the bar nor worried about it. I pay the boy, the boy settles the bar in his own way. It is very common for boys to take long leaves of absence or just blissfully vanish then reappear. They are never barred from returning to work. Bars need boys, especially popular boys, to stay in business. Don’t make the mistake of trying to do his job for him. Your job is to pay Cam the agreed stipend. Let him talk to his friends who may have been in similar situations and find the solution. Being able to keep more money for his farm and family will be a great motivator. What is the longest time he has been booked out from the bar before, and how did he handle it? Appreciate the bluntness, and totally agree it is excessive. Certainly not in favor of turning over a huge sum of money to Hotmale just so we can spend three months together. This is precisely why this forum is so great. I am gaining the knowledge and insight as to a better way of dealing with the situation based upon others experiences. I would much prefer to give the money to Cam, which he in turn can send to his family. The longest time he has been booked would be a 5-day trip to Phuket and several days to Pattaya with previous boyfriend I mentioned in another post. Anything else has been short term other than the 7 days with me. That was an unusual situation in that originally it was only three days but things happened. We handled the additional days on a day by day basis with mamasan. Again...this is all based upon what he has shared with me. In reality, he could have gone anywhere with anyone for any length of time and I wouldn't necessarily know it. I raised the question initially because I didn't know how the arrangement would work with the bar. Does the guy arrange that, do I make the arrangements, what is the cost factor...all unknown to me...so I am learning as I go in this situation. floridarob 1 Quote
mauRICE Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 4 hours ago, jimmie50 said: ...First of all, Cam has not asked or even hinted at me sending him any money. However, I would like to be able to occasionally do that for him over the next several months, and also in the event of any emergency situation that might come up. They never do; the canny ones make it seem like it's your idea. floridarob and jimmie50 1 1 Quote
mauRICE Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 42 minutes ago, jimmie50 said: Again...this is all based upon what he has shared with me. In reality, he could have gone anywhere with anyone for any length of time and I wouldn't necessarily know it. Yup. Quote
mauRICE Posted 15 hours ago Posted 15 hours ago 5 hours ago, jimmie50 said: Good point, and I did mention to him we could stay in a different part of Bangkok...didn't have to be Silom. I know he loves the beach, so possibly Pattaya, but he is a little concerned about traveling around Thailand given his status. I think there is safety in familiarity. He is worried about getting caught by the authorities for being an illegal alien yet he chooses to stay in Silom where it's the first place the authorities will look for illegal aliens? And he thinks paying the bar a 78-day off fee is a feasible idea? Hmmm...I think he and the mamasan may have struck a deal... By your own admission you seem to know very little about Thailand and even less the snake pit of Patpong which is an aberration to the norm. You've spent most of your time in Thailand in the fleshpots of Bangkok and, other than the lovely Thai family who seem to really care for you, don't seem to have any other Thai friends. Take a long, deep breath and a few steps back - regain some perspective: you're a clueless foreigner living thousands of miles away wrecking your brains thinking of ways to support an illegal alien sex worker thousands of miles away whom you've only known cumulatively for how many days? Someone who's more familiar with the territory than you'll ever be and is playing on his home turf so to speak. When their story has too many loose ends and parts that do not make sense, requiring you to defy common sense and make rationalisations to convince yourself that it's true, I feel that it's best to step back, at least for the time being. Wasn't he doing okay before you arrived on the scene? Well, he'll be okay long after you're gone. floridarob, pong2, khaolakguy and 1 other 2 2 Quote
Popular Post Travelingguy Posted 13 hours ago Popular Post Posted 13 hours ago @mauRICE may claim to be “too innocent,” but his rather sound and sober advice demonstrate he is at the very least far from naive. Some of what you are hearing may come across as harsh, but I really do think these guys have your best interests in mind. jimmie50, floridarob, zoomomancs and 2 others 5 Quote
PeterRS Posted 13 hours ago Posted 13 hours ago 5 hours ago, jimmie50 said: I know he loves the beach, so possibly Pattaya, but he is a little concerned about traveling around Thailand given his status. I think there is safety in familiarity. Would Pattaya seriously be a good place for a beach experience, given that it is inhabited by generally a large number of older gay farang and you want to be primarily on your own? Thailand has great beaches elsewhere. In my view Phuket and Samui are overly expensive. Rayong might be a better bet. Further away, I always loved Khaolak about an hour north of Phuket airport - huge beaches, hotels very separated and not really a resort-type area. Eating in hotels was expensive but there were local restaurants on the beach with really good food at moderate prices. It's a bit of a hassle getting there as it is about an hour's drive north of Phuket airport, but once there there are lots of things to do. I appreciate the immigration status issue and hope there may be be some way around that eventually. The famous 'James Bond' island as featured in one of the movies Village on stilts jimmie50 1 Quote
Blah Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago On 4/5/2026 at 1:50 AM, jimmie50 said: To be honest, I think I could be tolerant and more accepting of this than I am of Cam going off with other men from the bar. You wouldn't have met him if he didn't have this line of work. I believe that sex is one of the most beautiful, wholesome, natural things that money can buy. 💸 mauRICE 1 Quote
floridarob Posted 12 hours ago Posted 12 hours ago @jimmie50 .... @hank75 and @mauRICE have given very useful and wise information/advice. You've seemed very level headed so far, so don't go off the deep end overthinking it. I almost fell down when I read you wanted to pay bar 3 months of off 🥺 Hank is right, they'll take him back or he can go to another bar, they need him too. But staying in BKK or Pattaya, may be too much temptation for one or both of you- he with his friends and you with "massage" or a cuter guy---better to go spend time together somewhere else, no? Wait....time and patience, don't rush into sending payments, if your future time together proves mutually amorous then do something special with the accumulated money you've put aside instead of sending it. I'm in Bali and have met someone that I really like and he appears to like me, not a money boy by trade but we met on Grindr...I might write about my time in Indonesia soon, when I can focus my thoughts and have more free time. But you came to my mind as he and I have been spending time together, I remind myself...don't get too goofy, he lives on the other side of the world and I'm a whore, most of us on this site are, whether you admit it or not 😝 He asked if I'm happy being with him, point blank... I said, "vamos a ver" let's see 😉 Travelingguy, jimmie50 and mauRICE 3 Quote
thaiophilus Posted 8 hours ago Posted 8 hours ago 16 hours ago, Keithambrose said: Unfortunately not! I recall the nuns of the Order of the Leaping Beryllians, who glorify their founder by bouncing on trampolines! (Film, Bedazzled, Peter Cook and Dudley Moore) I once had the privilege of attending a private birthday-party performance by Mark Bunyan, who was canonised by the SPI as St Mark of the Musical Tendency. Keithambrose 1 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 10 hours ago, mauRICE said: By your own admission you seem to know very little about Thailand and even less the snake pit of Patpong which is an aberration to the norm. You've spent most of your time in Thailand in the fleshpots of Bangkok and, other than the lovely Thai family who seem to really care for you, don't seem to have any other Thai friends. Take a long, deep breath and a few steps back - regain some perspective: you're a clueless foreigner living thousands of miles away wrecking your brains thinking of ways to support an illegal alien sex worker thousands of miles away whom you've only known cumulatively for how many days? Someone who's more familiar with the territory than you'll ever be and is playing on his home turf so to speak. When their story has too many loose ends and parts that do not make sense, requiring you to defy common sense and make rationalisations to convince yourself that it's true, I feel that it's best to step back, at least for the time being. Wasn't he doing okay before you arrived on the scene? Well, he'll be okay long after you're gone. You are absolutely 100% correct. I need to take a long, deep breath and slow things down a bit. Part of my problem is at the moment I have way too much free time on my hands. My body clock is just now catching up to being in Denver, and I have not gotten back into my usual routines. Beginning tomorrow that will all change, as the rest of my week is very busy with little down time. The focus of all my thoughts on the return trip and up until this moment have been entirely on Cam. Regarding support...I am not really looking to support Cam. As you said, he was doing fine before we met, and he will continue to do fine with or without me. As of this moment, he has not specifically asked for anything other than compensation agreed upon for the time we spent together in Bangkok. The original agreement was 3 days/nights for 10,000 Baht. When it eventually ended up being 7 days/nights, we never actually discussed a change in compensation. In the end, I gave him 25,000 Baht. Was it too much...no clue. Some here will think it was too much, others may think it wasn't enough, and some may think it was fair. Did he send the money home to his family? Again, no clue. That is between him and his family. While I would hope so, those are his choices and decisions to make. I did not offer to send him money on a monthly basis over the next several months, nor did he ask. However, based upon my previous experience and stories from other forum members...I am expecting at some point there to be some sort of crisis or emergency situation and a request for assistance. This is why I am researching now what options are available for sending money to him. While he hasn't asked nor have I offered, our conversations have included discussions about how to go about doing that if the need ever did arise. That is how I am aware he does not have a Thai bank account and uses his Cambodian bank phone app. Not sure how he actually sends money to his family. I haven't asked that question, nor do I really want to be involved in that. Anyway...the entire question about how to send money to Cambodia is typical me...wanting to be prepared in advance...anticipating that the request will eventually come. Having used Western Union in the past for various other things, I have an account with them and assumed it would be easy to transfer to a Cambodian bank account with them. It appears that is not the case...no bank account option available. Since he obviously is not in Cambodia, there can be no cash pick up option at local agent. Thus my request from members for other options. Just want to be prepared. ichigo and bkkmfj2648 2 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 7 hours ago, floridarob said: You've seemed very level headed so far, so don't go off the deep end overthinking it. I almost fell down when I read you wanted to pay bar 3 months of off 🥺 Hank is right, they'll take him back or he can go to another bar, they need him too. But staying in BKK or Pattaya, may be too much temptation for one or both of you- he with his friends and you with "massage" or a cuter guy---better to go spend time together somewhere else, no? Wait....time and patience, don't rush into sending payments, if your future time together proves mutually amorous then do something special with the accumulated money you've put aside instead of sending it. As I just replied to @mauRICE, at the moment I have way too much free time on my hands and am spending most of my time thinking about Cam, checking out return flights to Bangkok, looking for Airbnb's, etc. Probably am in the overthinking mode at the moment. Beginning tomorrow my daily routine will be back to normal and very busy. Hopefully that will help me take a deep breath and chill a little. I only have experience paying the off fee to the bar is for short term with guy from Banana Bar and with Cam at Hotmale. I made an assumption that if the off fee was a set amount per night (500 Baht), it would be the same regardless of how many nights you took a guy off. Just goes to prove what they say about 'assuming' things. Thanks to comments like yours and other members, I now realize this was way off-base and not how things actually work. At the moment, I am leaning more towards what @hank75 suggested, and that is to negotiate with Cam what he expects in the way of compensation for three months and then let him deal with the bar and his job situation. Simply remove myself from that part of the arrangement. That is between him and Hotmale. That said...anyone have any suggestions on what a fair and reasonable compensation would be for 3 months? I am sure he will throw out some astronomically high number. I want to be fair, and don't mind being a little generous, but also don't want to be taken advantage of. Willing to help out more in the future if we truly do become a 'couple'. While I have enjoyed the company of quite a few guys in Bangkok, I am pretty much a one person guy when it comes to relationships. At least for me, I won't have a problem giving up visits to massage shops and my past extracurricular activities. lol. I cannot speak for Cam, and we haven't had that conversation yet. I know he enjoys having a drink or two with his bar friends. I certainly don't mind getting together with his friends. Whether he will want to include me in that will be another story. We went to all of the various shows...but that was just because it was something to do late in the evenings. Not something he insisted on doing. I just knew based upon his routine working in the bar that going back to the condo too early would be a problem. I often was the one who suggested going to the show as a way of passing time...not him. I do believe his actual circle of friends is very small. While he does know a fair number of guys from the various clubs, he tends to just hang out with other guys from Cambodia. Just an observation on my part. These are the people he seems to be closest to, regardless of which bar they work in. Some of them he knew back in Cambodia, and his roommate is also from the same general area of Cambodia where his home is. bkkmfj2648 1 Quote
jimmie50 Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago 9 hours ago, PeterRS said: Thailand has great beaches elsewhere. I am certainly open to exploring other places in Thailand. The problem is going to be how to get there. Air travel is probably out of the question without proper documentation. Wherever we end up going would need to be accessible by car or bus from Bangkok. That is why I was focusing more on Pattaya, as I know I can hire a car service to drive us there without any problems. Quote
jimmie50 Posted 4 hours ago Author Posted 4 hours ago I have another general question about my situation for members... Assuming the 60-day stay remains in place by the time I return to Bangkok in the fall, but my plan is to apply for the 30 day extension so I can stay a total of 90 days, should I purchase my airline ticket with return to US after 60 days or 90 days? I have been looking at 90 day return flights, but don't want to raise any questions or have problems on arrival in Bangkok with immigration. I won't be able to apply for the 30 day extension until the 60 day entry is almost up. Plus there is no guarantee it will be granted. Recommendations? Quote
mauRICE Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, jimmie50 said: You are absolutely 100% correct. I need to take a long, deep breath and slow things down a bit. Part of my problem is at the moment I have way too much free time on my hands. My body clock is just now catching up to being in Denver, and I have not gotten back into my usual routines. Beginning tomorrow that will all change, as the rest of my week is very busy with little down time. The focus of all my thoughts on the return trip and up until this moment have been entirely on Cam. Hi @jimmie50. You were doing well here and then you went back to your old habits in your ensuing paragraphs and posts. I've got nothing more to say to you about this and only wish you the best of luck. As I said earlier in this thread, when it comes to these kinds of relationships, people will do what they want to do and they will simply have to learn the lessons that they have to learn. @Travelingguy is right; I put in my two satang only because I think you're a decent guy and was concerned about where you were going with this. PS Please, you don't owe me any further explanation; just take care of yourself and, again, good luck! ✌️🫶 hank75 1 Quote
hank75 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, jimmie50 said: The original agreement was 3 days/nights for 10,000 Baht. When it eventually ended up being 7 days/nights, we never actually discussed a change in compensation. In the end, I gave him 25,000 Baht. Was it too much...no clue. I am still reading through your responses so posting my thoughts as I go along. 3 days for 10,000 is extremely fair, underpaid even (in my book, other members may disagree). 4-5k per day would be more in line for non stop companionship. 25k for a week is spot on, factoring in long term discount. Does this sound contradictory? Not exactly. 3000 for a full day and night feels little considering they could have made 3000 at the bar just for the night shift. However a guaranteed 25k in a week doesn’t come their way often and discounts are de facto, the longer the off. And since it appears you are new to this, please don’t assume it should then be 25k x 4 for a month. Quote
hank75 Posted 3 hours ago Posted 3 hours ago 1 hour ago, jimmie50 said: However, based upon my previous experience and stories from other forum members...I am expecting at some point there to be some sort of crisis or emergency situation and a request for assistance. Pleas for help are all too common or, if you have been unlucky like me as a newbie, outright demands and manipulation. The true gems are those who never ask. My current guy has never asked me once for money nor to buy him any items that are not absolutely essential. (Most recently, underwear. He was down to two holey pairs and constantly rewashing them in the shower and draping them all over the hotel furniture until I caught on) I strongly suggest you do not start these “emergency money” discussions with him as it opens the door to requests. I would also recommend reconsidering any relationship that came with requests for money before you have established a proper understanding and your 3 months. At this stage you have spent a paltry 7 days together. He has zero right to your money when he is not working as your paid companion. If he maintains contact for several months, keeps you happy, entertained, and loneliness at bay, you could perhaps then consider a tip for this long distance “work”. After your year end trip, you can decide if the relationship has evolved sufficiently for a relaxation of financial terms. bkkmfj2648 1 Quote
Min Posted 1 hour ago Posted 1 hour ago On 4/4/2026 at 9:50 PM, jimmie50 said: To be honest, I think I could be tolerant and more accepting of this than I am of Cam going off with other men from the bar. That is the real hang up for me in this situation. Trying to work through that and will need to either make peace within myself about his job, or be willing to help build the new house for parents and we both go to Cambodia. As you can tell, my thoughts are all over the place at the moment. I feel for you. If this is a big deal for you, then you may want to consider the so-called sponsorship: you give him a monthly stipend enough for him to live and send some home on the condition that he cannot provide sexual services to somebody else. FYI, boys in Pattaya usually expect around 20k-25k baht per month for such a deal. I'm not sure about the Bangkok situation, probably a bit higher, around 30k-40k. Of course, this entails certain degree of trust that the boy would keep his end of the bargain. Unfortunately, also in my limited experiences, that is, more often or not, NOT the case. Regarding recent real-life examples, I know a boy in Pattaya, who is right now juggling 4 different sponsors from 4 different countries. He told me himself that he gets around 25k from each one (so 100k in total). Starts his day at 2pm, making a video call to boyfriend number 1. 3pm, another call to boyfriend number 2, and so on. And when no sponsors, some of whom still think he's a 7-11 boy, are in town, he frequents boy bars in Jomtien complex, looking for potential catches. Another boy in Pattaya, who has 2 sponsors, one American and one German, who were in town at the same time and both came to his birthday party. So what he did? As the boss actually owns 2 bars located a few meters away from each other, he sat each of them in one of the bars (I actually sat talking to his German sponsor that night). After the German left, the boy moved the American from the other bar to this so that the gentleman can pay for all the whiskey bottles he opened that evening. This funny incident is like an open secret, meaning everyone else in the two bars know about it, except those two "ignorance is bliss" boyfriends. In my own case, I'm also sponsoring J., a Laos boy, giving him around 40K per month. He can sit drinking with other customers but no sex involved. I do trust him on this. Of course, I cannot be 100% sure but give him the benefit of the doubt anyway. After being with each other for more than two years, I still have no reasons to doubt him even though I know a lot of boys in his circle, some of whom are jealous and ready to feed me any dirt they can dig. So it boils down to: do you think you can trust Cam on this? I wouldn't enter this kind of deal if I don't trust the person. In that case, an open deal (you turn a blind eye to whatever he's up to when you are not around) would work better when you are far far away. For me, J. is the only one I trust so far. I could've sponsored several before him but I did not trust any of them so there were no deals. bkkmfj2648 1 Quote
khaolakguy Posted 19 minutes ago Posted 19 minutes ago 4 hours ago, jimmie50 said: I am certainly open to exploring other places in Thailand. The problem is going to be how to get there. Air travel is probably out of the question without proper documentation. Wherever we end up going would need to be accessible by car or bus from Bangkok. Everywhere in Thailand is accessible by bus and or taxi, but how are you going to register Cam in a hotel without ID? While I have very much enjoyed reading about your experiences, and you seem like a lovely guy, I have been somewhat puzzled by how positive all your experiences have been and with so many rentable individuals, and how arduously they have subsequently pursued you. I also wonder, especially looking back now, if you have some characteristic or persona that makes you stand out as a “mark”. Perhaps it is just as The Boy who has arrived in the Candy Shop for the first time(we have all been there)! Your experiences read as almost too good to be true, which suggests that your reading of the situations may be unduly positive. You obviously have a lot of self awareness and are cautious about believing what you are told, but less so after Cam came along. Now your head seems all a-whirl. I think many people first exposed to commercial gay life in Thailand find themselves having a similar reaction. I mean, realistically, and sorry if this seems harsh, you are with a rent boy for a week(and he may or may not have a heart of gold but this is his profession), and you have already suggested to him that you will be available to support him for emergencies and have discussed his banking details to ascertain how you would do that lending the conversation some gravitas rather than it being an off the cuff comment. Further on the basis of just this one week with Cam you are planning, and have discussed with him, a quick return to Thailand when you will be offing him for three months, and paying him a sizeable salary for that period. He must think he has died and gone to heaven and anyone looking at this relationship from outside would say that you have just become so besotted that you have lost your reason. Seriously “Whoa Nelly”. Add to this the complication of the person not being Thai, not having any papers, being from a country with whom Thailand has a history of estrangement, and never having had the sense/ability to open a bank account in Thailand, presuming that he was legally visiting there at some point. What does he do with the money that he earns, put it under the mattress? It sounds as if you may have a saviour complex, or are just desperate for love. Please understand that my comments are made with the best intentions to advise CAUTION. I have seen or heard of too many farangs(gay and straight) driving off the road of sanity while they were blinded by a local prostitute. PS. I use the harsh words of “rent boys” and “prostitutes” not to be derogatory to the guys and girls but as a blunt reminder of the reality to their customers. PPS. There is always the very very very small possibility of finding your “special one” in this situation, but take it slowly, with your eyes open and your purse, if not closed, then at least not wide open. Quote