TRIP REPORT PATTAYA - BOYZ BOYZ BOYZ

[brall3]

After 8 years I returned to Pattaya for a two week visit.  Thanks to this forum and its members I was aware of the few changes to Boytown, for example the termination of the BBB boy line up and parade just prior to the opening of the club; sweet memories.  A very big change to BBB is that it appears the club now caters more to Chinese female customers than to gay guys.  As I sat outside the bar watching the various activities, I noticed that the guys outside BBB were very aggressive in pursuing Chinese people walking through the area to go to the club, whereas they frequently ignored non-Asian guys walking through the area.  

I decided to attend the first show.  As I entered the club, I was happily greeted by workers whom I knew from years ago.  Indeed it was a delight that they remembered me and to see many of them still working there after so many years have passed.  As I looked around the club, it was readily apparent that the majority of the customers were Chinese, Chinese females.  

The first part of the show consisted of a stage full of guys completely dressed and all eyeing and vying for the attention of the female customers.  The performers of the following semi-erotic shows also focused their attention on the Chinese females.  When the various acts were over, the guys quickly left the stage and headed to the male gay customers asking them for a tip!!!  I declined to tip any of them and why should I.  Throughout the shows and other stage activities the guys practically ignored the male gay clients but yet were eager to approach them for a tip; a tip for what?  As a few guys approached me, I shook my head indicating "no" and pointed to the female Chinese customers.  I was ignored the entire time I was there and now they want money in the form of a tip from me?  "no way Jose".  

Later I asked the mamasan to invite a guy over for a drink and conversation, as I was interested in taking him off.  The guy was not very friendly, a bit cold and did not respond to any of my touches to his hand and leg.  As he quickly finished his drink, he said:   "1.000 to bar for off and 5,000 for me, short time";  no previous discussion nor anything.  Any interest I had in him quickly disappeared.  The whole ordeal lasted about three minutes (ha-ha).  I left the club the way I entered - alone.  Later that week, a couple of mamasans told me that the boys working at the club prefer to be with girls instead of with men.  

It seems that the owners of BBB have purchased or leased the old Royal hotel/restaurant.  About 1:30 the workers at BBB start transferring various items from BBB to the old Royal hotel.  Around 2:00 everyone, workers and customers, go from BBB to the new location.  Looking through the glass I saw the guys from BBB lined up on the stage.  As I sat at the outside patio of the Ambiance hotel, I saw several couples, a boy from BBB and a Chinese female, go to the reception area of the closed hotel and later disappear.  The mamasans said they went to rooms.  The nights I sat outside watching the various events, I never saw a BBB guy and a gay guy go to a room at the Royal.  Actually, I never saw a "single" male customer go to the continuing show at the closed Royal hotel.  

One visit to BBB was enough for me.  

[bkkmfj2648]

@brall3 and this my friend is probably the eventual death knell of Boyztown.  Truly sad, because back in the day, I LOVED the 9pm sexy red carpet parade march of the nude torso BoyzBoyzBoyz models out on the street, where if you did not already get an outside bar seat by 8:30pm you were not going to have an up close and personal view of the sexy guys.

The phenomena currently occuring to Boyztown is similar to when the anchor store leaves a once popular shopping mall.  Without a good anchor (attraction) the foot traffic decreases and the remaining stores (bars) struggle to stay profitable.

Furthermore, for the annual Pattaya gay pride events - Boyztown's support and participation is often absent. This is sad considering the long history of Boyztown.

[Travellerdave]

@Bralle

ive read your report on BBB in Boyztown with interest and note your disappointment on how this stalwart of gay orientated entertainment has transitioned the business towards catering for Chinese female groups. My reaction was the same remembering the venue when it was orientated towards attracting Western gay men, like myself, whose interest was being entertained by Asian boys. I had the same experience as you during my autumn 2025 trip when I visited BBB during my first evening. Needless to same i didn’t visit again and quickly transferred my custom to the Jomtien Complex and it’s gay bars with boys and an almost complete absence of females 

 

Edited May 17 by Travellerdave
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[AsianExplorer]

3 hours ago, brall3 said:

One visit to BBB was enough for me.  

I concur. I had a very similar experience last year. 

[Olddaddy]

10 hours ago, brall3 said:

  As he quickly finished his drink, he said:   "1.000 to bar for off and 5,000 for me, short time"; 

Geez....that's $350 AUD, 😲I would suck your cock for that !!

Sounds like he wasn't interested in going with you thus the high price 

As a matter of interest how much is a "boy drink" there?

 

[Olddaddy]

9 hours ago, bkkmfj2648 said:

@brall3 and this my friend is probably the eventual death knell of Boyztown 

Possibly not...they must be making a fortune especially as they own the building 

I believe it's a Chinese consortium 

They don't need the Gay customer base predominantly old men who sit on one drink 🍷 

.I recall going there with my Filipino boyfriend back in March

, it was a Monday night and packed to the rafters with Chinese㊙️🈴👲 that we just  couldn't fit in the door 

We just couldn't get in and when I looked it was standing room only and a Monday night!

Must bring in tour buses?🚎🚌

[Travelingguy]

I find this very interesting. I have to wonder about the economics of the bar depending on female customers offing the guys in these Thai bars. It’s my impression that the overwhelming majority of customers of paid sexual encounters (gay and straight) are men. I suppose there could be a niche that might be sustainable for female customers, but I do wonder if they would generate the volume needed to make ends meet.

The boys might prefer the Chinese female customers for many reasons, but a successful business comes down to bringing in enough money to keep the business operating.  It will be interesting to see how this plays out. 

Does anyone know of successful Gogo bars in Bangkok or Pattaya where only the women off the guys?

[macaroni21]

Between the sheer volume of female customers and the number of drinks they buy (Including boy drinks), there is enough revenue for the bar to be minting money. The bar does not have to rely on off fees. So even if offing hardly occurs, it's irrelevant.

As for the boys, once again, the girls tip --  though reports are mixed as to how well or poorly they tip --  but perhaps through sheer volume of customers alone, the boys make enough. They don't need to be off'd, unless it's for the pleasure of cunt.

There are successful "Magic Mike" type establishments around the world. They make money without "going all the way".

One thing we must never do is to assume that women behave like men. They do not. In this area of sex, straight men and gay men are far more alike, and worlds apart from women (gay or straight). Women like the flirt; the fantasy of a minute's romance. If the boys deliver that (not sure these boys do, though), females will tip thousands of baht. Men think that flirting is a waste of time and money. If the cock is not satisfied, nothing else substitutes.

Another observation worth making: females go to these bars in social groups; they rarely go alone (except Japan, but there's another dynamic there, something to do with absent husbands). For them, the entertainment's chief value is to cement the social bond between hens. Vocalisation (screaming) and getting drunk together is part of the social bonding. Men more often go singly than in groups. The value is in the hunt. Silence and stealth are part of the game.

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Re Japan, see https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2024/04/18/host-bars-that-arent-for-us/ 

 

 

[brall3]

The cost of drinks at BBB was 350.

[hank75]

8 hours ago, Travelingguy said:

Does anyone know of successful Gogo bars in Bangkok or Pattaya where only the women off the guys?

Haven’t you heard of the increasing number of host bars in Bangkok? Quite a few of the best looking gay for pay bar workers have moved on to those. That testifies to the volume of women who pay heavily to drink with a handsome guy. Additionally they are mostly locals, so that’s just the Thai female demographic, not even counting the Chinese. Then there’s Fake Club and another newer club whose name starts with A but escapes me right now.

The business model of the male go go where gay customers pay cover and buy one beer to choose someone dancing on stage for sex is dying out. There hasn’t been a new, successful male go go in years. Grindr plays a role too. 

[Londoner]

A few years back there were three boy-bars catering for women in Pattaya. All, I believe, were in Third Road. My partner's cousin was mamasan in one of them. He showed me photos of the guys there; stunning!

The bars catered for bar-girls with cash to spare, wives/ partners of non-performing falangs and of those who were working abroad. Prices much the same as we pay. From what I could ascertain, they were very much  local businesses rather than  for tourists .  Word of mouth custom, I assume.

BBB was the first bar I recall  where women visitors were often to be seen. 

It didn't surprise me. In those days (1996-2002 , my "punter" period), most of the hundred plus guys on parade (yes, a hundred plus)  seemed to be straight. Not my cup of tea, though I remember a couple of very enjoyable assignations.

[a-447]

As Macaroni21 has pointed out - and accurately described in his blog - Japan has lots of host clubs aimed strictly at women.

I taught English to a group of 6 women - one of them was the mother of a friend when I was at university in Tokyo, and she organised the classes.

Unbeknownst to me, they all had something in common - they were married to rich husbands who spent a lot of time 'playing golf' in Taiwan. But it was the 19th hole they were interested in!

To placate their wives and keep them occupied, they bought them bars which they could run as a kind of hobby. Two of the women opted for gay bars, and the other 4 ran host bars.

After the lesson we would go out for dinner at some very expensive restaurants - all expenses paid! - and then end up at one of the bars.

My favourite bar was a host bar in Roppongi. They woukd have theme nights where the guys - young and very cute /handsome - would dress in various costumes. 

One night the guys all wore Roman togas and I got an excellent view of their crotches when they sat down. I was born with the gift of the grab, and the temptation to reach over and feel the goods was overwhelming. I sat there with a hard -on all night!

But these host bars were not about open sex - it was just teasing the women. It was a case of look but don't touch. The togas were deliberately short so as to expose the bulges. Other nights the guys were topless and wore short shorts. They were chosen for their beautiful bodies and impressive 6-packs. And their ability to flatter and treat the women the way their husbands never did.

There was always lots of champagne, a bit of dirty talk and lots of laughter.

The women had a great time. If only they knew that it was me who had the best time of all! 😂😂😂

[Blah]

On 5/18/2026 at 7:15 AM, Olddaddy said:

Geez....that's $350 AUD, 😲

really? change your Xchange office

 

 

[PeterRS]

On 5/19/2026 at 10:51 AM, a-447 said:

As Macaroni21 has pointed out - and accurately described in his blog - Japan has lots of host clubs aimed strictly at women . . . There was always lots of champagne, a bit of dirty talk and lots of laughter.

I'll bet the champagne is not your average Moet et Chandon. Often it can be Louis Roederer Cristal or other much more expensive premium champagnes, all at a very considerable mark up. The women don't care because they are there to be admired and cosseted, and when they make their chosen host happy there is no end to what he might give you - although sex is rarely on the take-out menu.  Many have their favourite "boy" and some will even be showered with very expensive gifts - like a bottle of US$111,000 cognac or even a Porsche! 

This vdo is 7 years old but it describes what host bars were like in those days. I believe some are now more up-market and attract even more wealthy women.

 

[macaroni21]

Shhh!  We mustn't spread news about what big senders women can be, otherwise our few remaining gogo bars and host bars would reinvent their business to cater to women and throw out those homo punters who, when presented their change in coins in the billfold, actually count them and pick them up!

[Londoner]

Have Chinese visitors returned to Pattaya? they certainly haven't to Agate where, pre- Covid, they were a dominant group. The only place where we see them now in relatively large numbers is in T21.

[bkkmfj2648]

What I have noticed is that there is a transition going on in Pattaya / Jomtien as part of the traditional reoccurring 5 months of low season - but for this low season with the additional challenges of higher jet fuel prices and recent changes with the VFE (Visa Free Entry) and VOA (Visa on Arrival) rules.

Consequently, the dominant groups remain to be for anyone who can still get here on the cheap; Malaysians, Chinese, Taiwanese, and Indians - but for the Indians, I foresee a dramatic fall in their numbers, as they were specifically targeted and removed from the VFE list and instead inserted on the VOA list for entry, for only a 15 day stay visa for a fee of 2,000 baht - whereas, previously it was free for them to enter and they could stay for 60 days.  I fear that this will have a negative economic impact on the South Pattaya environs of the city (which are predominately populated with Indian tourists and related Indian run businesses).  Also, who will the ladyboys of the night over on Pattaya City Beach Road target for easy gold removal after the Indians stop coming?  Will their business model have to change out of necessity and they will instead target the rest of us?

Yesterday, we went over to Koh Larn - via the ferry and it was full on both the outgoing and return trips - however, the beach that we went to, Tien Beach - was fairly devoid of people and when we took the motorbikes over to the hill that overlooks the Tawaen Beach to look down onto what is usually the most popular beach of Koh Larn - it was mostly empty.  Of the people that we did see on the beaches, the vast majority were Asian, with some Russians and Indians still in the mix.

[Travellerdave]

Interesting report . Thanks. I usually manage at least one visit to Koh Larn during my 3 week stays in the Jomtien Complex, sometimes alone and sometimes with a pal. I often invite overnight boys to accompany me but usually they decline. A motor bike taxi takes me to Nual Beach (monkey beach) furthest south of the island, which years ago used to be very quiet, but not in high season. The beach is comprised partly of sharp coral so wearing some form of footwear is advisable.

Londoner mentions the Agate Hotel which is my residence of choice in the Complex. It’s close to the bars but not much affected by overnight noise. I don’t recall experiencing Chinese tour groups there. Mostly the guests are other gay Western men, like myself, plus occasional families. I don’t usually eat breakfast there rather a snack in the room, although if I have an overnight “boyfriend” I like to take them elsewhere, particularly if they can converse in English.

 

[Londoner]

The Agate used to attract large numbers of very short-stay Chinese visitors before Covid. They'd arrive in coaches in the evening and then depart after breakfast. You may have missed them if you a were a late riser or favoured late nights! Perhaps they were on their way to other destinations or perhaps the nearby airport? I remember staying in a hotel in Seminyak, Bali, which seemed to serve the same or similar function.

 

 

[Travelingguy]

For most tourists, I think that 15 days is plenty. I’m guessing that Indian visitors can also get a visa prior to arrival in the country that would allow a longer visit.

Indians were specifically targeted in this rule change. I am guessing that the numbers will drop off, not so much for the limited number of days, but the additional cost of staying. Also, the hassle will be another discouragement for Indian visitors. We’ll see what happens with the numbers and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s further adjustments by the Thai Govt.

[Travellerdave]

Londoner

You make a valid point about the Chinese guests at the Agate. After a late night I am definitely not an early riser. I’m often stirred into getting out of bed when I hear the activity of chambermaids in other rooms or in the corridor. As well as having a shower I like to tidy the room and dispose of unwelcome items like half eaten pizza and used condoms. Some boys insist on leaving at daybreak whereas with others it’s hard to get them active and depart, or leave with me looking for breakfast.

[PeterRS]

Many Chinese tourists have been put off by what they regard as Thailand's bad reputation for violence and tragedies like ferry boat disasters. I do not have access to statistics - I am sure @Moses does - but from what i read, Vietnam is now one of the favoured destination for less well-off Chinese. 

[Moses]

1 hour ago, PeterRS said:

Vietnam is now one of the favoured destination for less well-off Chinese

Vietnam is booming within whole world. Country is blooming, has everything for tourism and is up to 2 times cheaper than TH is now. Also if to speak about climate, it isn't so hot as TH is: you may find climate what is most suitable for you, for example in January from +15C on the North till +33C on the South (I prefer Da Nang and Hoi An at that time with comfortable +25C, ocean is +27C)

[bkkmfj2648]

8 hours ago, Travelingguy said:

Indians were specifically targeted in this rule change. I am guessing that the numbers will drop off, not so much for the limited number of days, but the additional cost of staying. Also, the hassle will be another discouragement for Indian visitors. We’ll see what happens with the numbers and I wouldn’t be surprised if there’s further adjustments by the Thai Govt.

I would expand on what you wrote above.  Already on Indian social media the Indians are feeling that they are being specifically discriminated against - because there were/are many other nationals causing problems in Thailand and their entry into Thailand rules were left intact within the VFE category, and they were not moved into the less friendly VOA category.  From a geopolitical point of view this may have a negative impact on Thai-Indian bi-lateral relations.

Here is the short version (2.5 minutes) from one of the Indian social media broadcasters:

and below is the longer version (23 minutes):

 

From my selfish point of view, I am more interested in what the negative economic impact may be to the South Pattaya area of Pattaya city.  Many Thais work in related businesses that support Indian tourism.  Just yesterday, my Thai barber was worried about what will happen to the area of Pattaya city's Walking Street that is referred to by the local Thais as "Little Mumbai".  Since covid, the Indians have made huge investments into that area of Walking Street.  It is usually not a good idea to give cause  to negative VoM (Velocity of Money) issues for the local economy.

Instead of targeting a nation because some of its citizens were bad in Thailand, I would have much preferred that:

• those Indian tourists that were creating problems in Thailand (Pattaya) would have been:
  • fined and/or arrested for their offense,
  • for repeated offenses have them denied future access to Thailand under the VFE and to be only available for future entry under a VOA,
  • eventually blacklisted from entering Thailand if their bad behavior continued.

In my opinion, this would have been a much fairer solution (targeting the bad apples instead of the entire nation).

 

 

[bkkmfj2648]

2 hours ago, Moses said:

Vietnam is booming within whole world

2 hours ago, Moses said:

(I prefer Da Nang and Hoi An at that time with comfortable +25C, ocean is +27C)

I agree, as you know I spent 4.5 months last year living in Da Nang and documenting my stay in my related trip report in this forum.

Unfortunately, my friends who still live in Da Nang are now telling me that due to the success of Vietnam being able to attract tourists/residents from all over the world, many of my Da Nang friends are now reporting to me that the cost for long term leases have doubled in many cases when their annual rental leases came up for renewal.  Furthermore, they report that to find a new condo/apartment/townhouse to rent has become very difficult because, due to high demand, they are being rented before they can even go to see them - as there are now not enough units available near the popular An Thuong and My Khe beach areas.  Consequently, for those that don't want to relocate away from the beach area or to move to across the Han River to stay over in the city area - they are starting to relocate into other nearby coastal cities.