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I like Toon #48, also acclaimed by another member in October. Muscles of steel. Most boys from there I like are not that massive and one I like the most #15 Boy is likely smallest of them all. I liked look of # 6, new boy. Keep in mind our experiences are good for j/o perhaps as what I like you not necessary must. So best way is to pack suitcase and go by yourself which is my wish to you for 2017. Make sure you fix tip expectancy beforehand, some boys seem to grow greedy side.

you must have some kind of allergy when you hear ' Tawan", "bodybuilder" or " muscle". Try REACTIN , please check expiry date

don't torment yourself , call the boy over , even if for hand holding session. You are on vacations , don't make it some kind of retreat, LOL

truth may be somewhere in between. Boy may prefer understandably a tip but he may be also expected to generate so many drink sales and / or offs per period ( week or month ). It may vary from bar to bar and also from boy to boy

have fun there and don't forget to share your impressions Happy New Year !

no , that's the case with all of us, in fact those in Thailand are already there. I'm thinking year number. Whether we like or not on New Yer Day we are becoming 1 year older , some ready for senior discount on public transport or additional tax relief. Younger people may be subject of mandatory schooling or military service, others may have their first legal drink of a fuck for that matter. All depending of laws of our jurisdiction.

agreed. Good idea if possible is to sleep with a problem. Trinket we need to have now may not look as attractive tomorrow morning. It may be harder with that boy flashing smile from the stage sporting bulge dreams are made of. With enough of time even that may be advisable. In fact he may appreciate us returning for him even more. I could see on this trip when I came down to tell Copa massage boy I want massage as promised yesterday. I was visibly very appreciative smile he sported.

There's nothing wrong with thinking about future and working hard to have it secured. In fact this is what every prudent person should do. But we need to find point of balance remembering that we have only one life to live. Mortgaging future for today's pleasures is outright stupid but so is working always for tomorrow only. We may be working hard for years for that dream house , dream trip or set of teeth implant only to discover that when time comes to acquire it doesn't make us happy anymore. Small apartment is big enough, travelling is a chore not pleasure and there are no more friends to flash that newly acquired smile to. As long as we leave enough money to bury us without cost to our loved ones inheritance should not be a concern at all unless one has dependent who is disabled and wants to secure his future when we are gone. Of course all this depends of our own comfort zone.

HAPPY NEW 2017 YEAR FOR EVERYBODY AND ALL. Day 13 Since boy made first move to go home I tipped him bit more than agreed owing to performance but had breakfast alone in Boat Bakery across the street from Boyztown, very popular place and busy despite early morning. Quite similar to Foodland Patpong, breakfast not fancy but filling enough and cheap at 80 baht or so. Short stroll along Second Road , returned to the hotel and at 9 Kao , my massage boy from yesterday was already on the veranda so I did not waste neither time not opportunity , asked him to be in my room in 10 minutes, paid 400 fee on reception and rushed to tidy room a bit . Shower together and another great massage with great bodied man, one of two this trip I hired more than once, Barcode boy in Siem Reap being other. Too bad I was leaving today as he was material for daily encounter and long time possibility certainly would be investigated . After we were done I packed my meager possessions, shaken hands farang style with Kao sitting outside, lavished my suitcase on one of motorcy guys waiting beside Family Mart , agreed to his extortionate request of 100 baht for the ride to bus station and in few minutes with ticked secured for 12.50 p.m. bus I had a sandwich and coffee to kill 20 minutes of waiting time . Back in Ekkamai bus station in less than 2 hours, BTS to Sala Daeng and after 2 days of absence I was back at Nantra Silom greeted by the staff smiles, not a daily occurrence there. I got room just beside one I had few days ago. Then to BBB Inn to check if Tao, provider of best massages is back from his absence. Passing by soi Twilight big surprise ! Namu , my favorite from there is back, changed and for a better since he slimmed down, noticed me and run with offer of a hug. There were rumors coming straight from his brother that he settled down with Chinese boyfriend which he denied but this is none of my business , I was happy to see him back and made firm appointment for 5 p.m. tomorrow as I had other sights in mind for today. At BBB Inn I was greeted in the lobby by smiling receptionist who called Tao over. Embraces , kisses and 7 p.m. appointment at Nantra for tomorrow requested and granted. He seemed to shed some weight as well , boys are getting serious about their sizes or what? From there straight to Senso. Passing by eateries in Silom I saw some familiar face inside of one but initially did not identify in my head who it was. Pressed for time a bit I did not stop only to realize few steps later that it was Anddy from our forum with whom I had a meeting later today at Maxi’s , What a chance on a busy street at busy time ! . I hoped Jack will be in Senso to mutilate me once more this trip but he was not so back to selection. Not an easy task there since they don’t have that many boys but all of them are my types, no exception. In fact I think I never ever saw boy there I’d not go with. Resorted to my usual advice in such a case and picked up one smiling the widest smile. Chai, namesake of another boy from there who left few years ago and memories of whom I still cherish. Great strong and unrushed massage with plenty of body contact, another straight and married guy who provides heavenly gate experience. Senso is not cheap, massage 1000 / hr , minimum tip 1200, I gave him 1500 still smiling at memory of our meeting. Others may have different and perhaps mixed Senso impressions but as far as I can see and I visit them at least once a week when in Thailand I was never disappointed there, neither with massage nor with boy. In fact I seem to recall most of my encounters there with details even few years after. I went back to hotel to freshen up and few minutes later sprinted to Maxi’s for a meeting with anddy fortified with what else ? Chicken with cashew nuts of course. Nice conversation at time of soi being busy with all boys rushing to their bars , punters taking their observation positions and shy tourists trying to see the sights hoping nobody will see them there. Anddy as local is not frequent visitor to the bars but somehow I strong-armed him to accompany me to a Jupiter which perhaps surprisingly to myself along with Fresh Boys become my bar of choice this short trip. This is my last night in BKK and I went there with resolve to finish my internal boycott of offing from there. Boys from Jupiter are all handsome of model quality but have an opinion of poor customer service and I decided to give them another chance in right circumstances specially that I liked look of quite of few of them. We had very strategic seats with view of dressing or rather undressing room as well as a stage so full view so to speak. Jupiter buys are apparently prohibited from approaching clients , it is an ideal bar for shy types who like to be left alone. I like their show almost completely short of nudity but entertaining and very sexy. There was a glimpse of naked erect cock on one of performers leaving stage , not coincidental as I noticed it before in the same number. Look wise one is spoiled for a choice , only problem being lack of eye contact from boys, again I think this is by design but it makes for uninterested appearance. I had few types in mind but # 20 was one who pissed off one of our members, #47, friendly boy I had a chance to shake hands with when visiting last Sunday, was already without number so reserved already and my heart was torn between #42 I like face of, not there’s something wrong with his body and #73 ,Mekhin , famous import from Tawan. At one point , sitting in the audience he flashed smile at me so mamasan was called over , asked to invite him after his part of show will be done and soon his massive , smiling frame was sitting beside saying ‘yes’ to a question ‘ do you go with me”. Excused understanding anddy , paid 400 off fee with 500 note , change for what never came but I decided to let it go since I was still ahead – on my first night there it was so busy that nobody asked me for a drink and I had show for free and soon we were on our way. Point scored immediately when after asked about my hotel Mekhin said we will walk. I know from others that they were Jupiter boys requesting taxi from there to Tarntawan and Tawan boys asking the same to Crowne Plaza, all of 5 minutes walks although I kind of understand boys may not want to be seen walking with farang. Passing through Suriwong it was obvious he is well known as he greeted quite a few people on our way, waved at his former co-workers at Tawan where one of mamasans recognized me and smiled perhaps wondering what happened to me used to be in the bar nightly. I was a bit apprehensive having in my company somebody who as far as boys are going can be labelled famous although I had few feedbacks that he is easy going and friendly which confirmed right away. No fuss whatsoever , showering together with pleasure, clearly he knew and was familiar with routines although at one point he mentioned ‘ you like to play like small boy ‘ not sure it was compliment or sarcasm but certainly he enjoyed an attention and I did his company. Good English to, ‘where did you learn it ‘, ‘in Tawan, Tawan university” he said laughing. Up close his massive frame was not even half as intimidating as looking at it from the stage and those who are not big fans of muscular men may be pleasantly disappointed. Asked about change of bars he said in Jupiter he has more offs which come as surprise as at Tawan he was star for years but who knows, may be that fame was not good as some clients could be hesitant to off somebody so popular expecting an attitude or excessive financial requests. We talk about girls too but he said that he doesn’t have too many offs from them as he thinks they may think he is too big. At end of day he turned out to be normal easy going boy who knows why he is hired and delivers and at end of allotted time he wants to get paid and to go home. I asked about long time – he doesn’t do it. About compensation since we did not discuss that in the bar out of design, I treated this off as lots of pleasure but also some research. 2000 quoted did not seem over board for somebody of his built not to mention fame. Sure he hasted to say ‘ but you can give me 3000 or more’ but this was said as a joke rather than kind of request. I gave him bit more as a bonus for not taking an advantage of situation and for chance to tell all of readers here – if you like muscular yet friendly men without an attitude go for Mekhin. As far as I see Jupiter was redeemed in my eyes thanks to this import from Tawan and certainly at next opportunity I will be trying to confirm if my absolutions aren’t premature. I finished my day 13 sleeping alone but with sense of an accomplishment – at Tawan I was eyeing Mekhin few times but we never established an eye contact so I settled on others which was easy at that manly boys paradise.

Generally speaking my strategy is to spent as little as possible on the maintenance - hence fying in economy, sleeping in 30$, not 130 $ hotels and eating rather bland food in ordinary places and only food treat I succumb to lavishly is ice cream from 7/11 for 17 baht. Fact that I'm not big on Asian food and don't take heat well helps to reduce food bill, never big in Thailand anyways. In bars rarely I get carried over like some farangs I observe buying drinks to everybody in sight and his brother - this is not to criticize , just an observation as we all have our own way of having fun. I'm not really bar person and if there's no show I rather buy a drink, pick a boy and run ASAP. On another hand I tend to be on generous side with those who allow themselves to get intimate with me , tipping perhaps too much specially in Pattaya where I tip Bangkok rates perhaps way too lavishly. At least I realize that and if I sense boys are trying to take an advantage of me , there's abrupt good bye even if my heart is bleeding. This was a case with Tawan boys this trip. I like to have a fun and being milked may be fun for a cow but not me. On another hand boys have it easy with me since I don't tend to be very demanding and I respect every limit they may have as long as they undress / I had a case in 2013 where Dreamboy refused even that little / You not that much older Vessey , today is last day I'm 61, LOL

I understand and I have plenty such voices after all my trips wherever they were. Generally speaking I take very little pictures and never with people on them unless they ask or find their way to a picture by accident. I know I should since I don't have pictures of boys you mention even for my own consumption so to speak. But this is me. Few times I took pictures of or with boys on their initiative, some I still have them but would never show/post them without their consent which I'm not even looking for. So for example world will not see Barcode boy at Preah Khan where I took several pictures at his request, sent to him already. If he posts them somewhere I have no problem with it but I don't. All this idiosyncrasy has actually nothing to do with maintaining privacy as most would suspect. I simply think that instead of admiring beauty of people or nature we spent too much time and energy taking pictures of them. Weird?, No?

I'm great fan of Foodland breakfasts, American one can be had for 62 baht between 5.30 and 9 but there's nothing fancy. Not sure this is what OP is looking for but as far as I can see that's great option and most of my Bangkok breakfasts were eaten there since I rarely stay in hotels with breakfast provided.

Most of my arrivals are past midnight and never a problem to get regular taxi from airport to Silom for 400, tolls, airport surcharge and tip inculded , half of LimoPattaya price

and on top of it, days 11 and 12 both spent in Pattaya were my particularly wallet-active since as explained I tried to pack as much as I could into each hour

Yes you can and if you ask there's always danger I will answer so be prepared for a bit of boring numerical post. Money matters are usually readily discussed with some heat generated so comments are welcome. Normally I budget my vacations and try to keep some discipline but this time I was in Thailand 6.5 days so I let my hair loose a bit, priority for me being to utilize as much as possible all that short time I was there. On top of budgeting I have a system of controlling expenses by spreading money in various pockets of my shorts and shirt. When leaving room in the morning it is always the same amount in each designated pocket i.e 700 in right short pocket, 2000 in left shirt pocket etc. So with simple pat on the garment I can feel if money is there and if not , time to think where it went. So as for day 12 expenses I will follow my day 12 narrative tip for cleaning lady at the hotel 20 breakfast for Ken and me at Ambiance 310 , 30 tip included beer on Copa terrace 120, 20 tip included I think massage fee 400 tip for the boy 1200, my normal tip for 1 hr massage is 1000 but our fun took a bit longer lunch/dinner at Old Hanover somewhere between 200-250 wandering through Beach Rd sois including ice cram and internet cafe 74 beer at Oscars for me and Ken as well as his tip /100 / 340 Good Boys tips for boys 3*300+ 100 =1000 drinks 4*150 = 600, no tip for server as he was my first boy to perform Nice Boys drink + server tip + boy on stage tip /100 / 250-270 Power Boys 300-320 / mamasan got 50 , rarity for me / Eros 140 drink , server tip included +300+300+100* boys tips = 840 Xboys, 250 drink, 100 tip for fuck show entertainers = 350 Abomb my drink 220, boys drink 260, off fee 400= 880 Boy's tip 1500 BBB off fee 500 BBB boy tip 2500 / 500 more than agreed but it was well earned total about 11500 = 320 USD fun = priceless Tons of money but when one considers throughout the day I was dealing first hand with 10 hard and very nicely shaped cocks in various capacities , it's still bargain. Obviously if I was there longer those expenses would not accumulate that fast since likely i will be visiting just one bar at Sunee a day , had fun with 1 , max 2 boys at Good Boys and with 1 not 3 at Eros since tomorrow is another day. Instead of two offs I'd stick to Ken for at least one more night saving off fee and tip for second boy and for scrupulous also 100 tip I gave him for sitting with me since I don't tip in the bar boys I'm taking home. In my years of travelling I learned one thing - if you see something you like, buy it. If you don't you will come home with regret you passed an opportunity and you may never have a chance for repeat. We may be planning another trip to Thailand next year but until we actually land at Swampy again it will remain just a plan and a dream so I like to utilize my time and opportunities as they are presenting themselves now , not tomorrow, not next visit.

yes, Bangkok Hilton awaits

and 360 bar?

I think you are overestimating threat from Chinese ladies. Having had a chance to be in the bar just before closing at 2 a.m. earlier this month I could see both inside and outside bar quite a few of their men still waiting for an off and I'd say I was spoiled for a choice. If you see boy of your dreams , just call him over before any enterprising Oriental girl makes her mind, seal the deal even if you planning on taking him later that night and call yourself winner !

You may be surprised , at least if you leave and return by air. I don't live in a police state at all but on occasion of on earrival I had a chance of glancing at the screen of officer's computer, it looked he had records of my departures and arrivals going several years back. So for remote work as long as your client will pay you straight to your bank account as opposite to cash there's trail left and it can be investigated is government really wants. Sure chance as slim due to sheer number of such transaction but if for whatever reason they decide to check on you numbers are there and waiting.

but they need to thread carefully since number of bars they can work is limited, Girls have it easier in this respect

stiil if you want to take Arena boy with you better make sure if they charge for that and how much. You brought important point in respect of offing massage boys. At some places out call fee may be geared toward occupants of 5 star hotels and be very, very steep like 5000-7000 for overnight , boy tip included so one should always ask and made sure. Also if boy tip is included is better to make sure how much is boy's cut as this varies wildly. Copa and Ambiance are charging 900 out of which 500 goes to the boy. But BBB Inn is very greedy, out of 1700 fee boy gets 510 = 30 % only so make sure boys are compensated properly. On another hand off fee may be cheap, boy I took on my last day told me he needs to pay them 500 only.

correct but somehow bars need to make their money. Sad fate of Zeus in soi Twilight closed exactly 2 years ago and still vacated certifies it's not easy to run a bar. Otherwise we will be left to a mercy of streetwalkers and apps but thanks God for a massage places.

Thank you for an idea, I need to see how it looks like and quite possible buy one. Truth needs to be told , in that case there was no resistance to use of force at all

I think those arrangements vary from bar to bar and even in bar may be different for different boys. The same goes with massage places. Some boys may be on kind of salary and then will pay penalty for no show, others may be freelancers who get nothing but show at work at will. Some places are providing free food for employees and other's not or at least not regularly. Once at Tawan I was witness of rice delivery , each boy present at work that day got big , 10 or perhaps 15 kg bag of rice. If boy's drink is more expensive than client's one which is a case in few bars, at least in Pattaya, that's sure sign boys get a cut of it. At Arena few times they let me to take boy off for free as long as I had paid massage that same day even if with another boy but this seemed to be at whim as it was not always a case but could be also result of some rules i.e. if boy had so many clients that day/ week / month he could leave for free, otherwise penalty applied. At now defunct Adonis not only they levy off fee but even with that boy could leave only after certain hour in the evening. Old Hero was known for not letting their boys to be offed at all. In some bars coyotes can't be offed before bar closes, in others their off fee is much higher. So it seems there are rules but very few are actually industry-wide.

you must make sure boys like each other, pick up a boy , make sure he is comfortable with threesome and let him to pick up another one with your approval. Often boys from the same bar may be reluctant to go with each other but sometimes they did it before and even one of them may suggest taking another one - this was my birthday gift from Tawan boys in June and the same with Fresh Boys boys just recently. you were right not to force an issue with one who was not into it. There are variations i.e. versatile boy will go for threesome but only as top , not bottom or other way around. Sometimes it seems outright weird i.e. one of boys has no problem with being top/ bottom but flatly refuses to kiss another boy but doesn't mind to exchange one with you. As with every encounter , success is just a possibility , never guaranteed