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look at bright side, next year is only 5 months away

I said this before and repeat again, stay away from staff of the hotel you are staying even if he makes signals. You may have fun and he may have fun but there's great danger such a liaison may put his employment in jeopardy. And by the way, nothing wrong with topics being derailed, forum is not business meeting , rather is like conversation in social setting starting with accolades of how good meal is and ending agreeing that our bosses are really stupid

for us, listeners , it sounds promising I'm sad your story in winding up but I know you are cooking another trip soon

and this was definitely a case of boy I bought that cheap fake watch for, my idea , my pleasure and fact that he was happy too it was just by-product Numazu, we are yaking about all those gifts but we did not forget it is your thread , we are just using time waiting for a next installment

with such a splurge , if you are not nice who the hell is? Expensive tutorials of lesson "why one should shop at Siam Paragon alone" I can only hope boy was worth of such a expenditure but if it was me I still would say flat 'no", hell with face and if he was really worth such a gift I'd give him money later on since I believe spending 7000 on a boy is Ok but spending 7000 on a jeans for a boy is way tooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo much.

on Friday night just past midnight it may be tough to drive into soi but since it just steps from Second Road I'm sure driver will stop there at mouth of soi and for consideration of extra 100 baht will be happy to carry your luggage to Le Cafe, whole 20 or so meters

wishing you a speedy recovery, boys at Bonny will miss you I'm sure

I learned that lesson zillions years ago as a kid . My parents weren't paupers but not affluent either. Quite well off relative from abroad visited us and since she did not bring any gifts with her she lavished on us locally bought goods, God bless her memory all of them were very welcomed and practical. But then I overheard conversation of my parents with my Mom saying 'if she gave me 1/3 of money she spent I'd buy the same and she was saving the rest" . I couldn't comprehend what this was all about as a kid, but remembered that and still remember that lesson. It's why I always advocate monetary gifts . less glamorous but always useful.

thank you and good luck with your vacation puzzles. In meantime follow the forum as there's constant stream of useful information flowing here. Don't be shy to ask since things are changing all the time. From original responses you got Om Yim changed name and now is hostel , no reports if it's still gay friendly so you may cross it out

but not necessary fucking bell boy or receptionist from own hotel is either. I'd make an exception for BBB Inn staff for obvious reason

enjoy your flight

1. Congratulations, I always bust my budget, not by much but I do and never regretted it so far 2. Some are saying that no sex is more expensive that free sex so watch out. 3. you are bringing valid point. Those boys mostly don't have many reason boost their self esteem so perhaps at times we should splurge on them just to get this one more smile. 4. Keep in mind that reporting may increase their traffic too. That's my reasoning why I use names and/or numbers in my reports. And it seem to be working although at times I get PM asking where I had eyes offing this or that boy, LOL 5. I find it's easy to smile at every recollection of vacations there and only cynical thing I can think of is fact that we are going back home leaving boys there to their fate sometimes never to see them again. 14 year later I still miss Pom from Aqua spa and hope he is doing well wherever he is and still looking good

People of limited means often realize that poor people can't afford buying cheap things / cheap in sense of workmanship, not necessarily a price / hence their shopping skills. Another point for giving them money instead dragging them for shopping trip although sometimes it may be justified if we see he wears shabby shoes or clothes and we suspect that if we give him money it may be spent on something else or sent to mama. Even then I'd ask him how much new shoes will cost on the market and give him money , perhaps 200-300 more and tell him I like to see new shoes when I come for a massage or off him on Friday. Of course you are correct about chains - we are paying more for a name not quality which may be much better but not necessarily so.

I personally would not have a problem of telling him it's just too expensive but I realize it's it not always that easy and some nice people may have problem of saying no. This is where my second solution comes handy - I almost never go shopping with boy or in fact with anybody anywhere. In my 13 trips grand total shopping trips with boy is THREE. Even this come with restrictions 1. shopping for clothing at MBK - boy was told up front that my budget for him is 1000 2. targeted shopping for some kind of training belt, boy asked if I can buy one for him, I asked how much it may cost , price was approved but belt not found so money went to buy some muscle building supplements, wasting money if you ask me but promise is promise 3.on Christmas Eve walking with boy through Patpong noticed that he looks longingly for fake watches so i bought him one for 500 to his and mine delight, worked only 3 months as I learned later. My advice is , if we want spend money on the boy - increase his tip. If we buy him expensive stuff or treat him to a expensive dinners as somebody above sensible noticed - if fact we are spending this money on ourselves. I don't mean to offend anybody and my apologies if it sounded harsh but we want him to look good or have a company for a dinner we fancy. If you buying him something instead of paying for it at cash register slip him cash and make him going there to give him this short bust of self esteem. I do this often at restaurants and like their face expression when waiter brings me a check and I push it over to a boy. if he knows value of things expensive is expensive. Actually are really customers lavishing gifts on a boys? Just asking , but definitely I'm not only asshole in a crowd, who as mentioned above almost never buys them anything with substantial price tag i.e more than 100 baht / one hundred /. But I feed them before and after off and this is for selfish reason - if boy won't be hungry , lesser chance he will rush things to go home / read: to eat something/, in the morning I just like to have dining company , for some reason not that crucial in the evening or during day.

based on your narrative above I need to say one thing - DTG is very decent guy.

enough to mention Sukhumvit soi 11

I like your way of thinking and in fact practice what I like. Vacation for me is not a time for penny pinching, we have whole year for that. Of course it doesn't make sense to throw money around senselessly but I believe one on vacation should splurge on things he likes , whatever it is. It's why if I can't finance it , I stay home until funds are gathered i.e. debts from previous trip are paid.

lucky you

I think the same person may be one night Mr. Lonely and another night Mr. Horny, certainly my case . I also recall quite a few boys very business oriented one night and very clingy another one. this is my experience as well , It why I always ask boys before off or massage if they kiss, not to dismiss them but in order not to force them to do something they don't like. Quite a few boys instead of answering "yes" simply plant a kiss sealing deal immediately and there are those, usually very manly types, who say 'no' or ' nit noy' but change their mind withing confines of the room later on.

you wanted to say Gay Hater VP prick ? or was it dick ?

generally speaking you may be correct but certainly not part of my experience as I'm not fancy dinner myself and I'd never think about suggesting restaurant without Thai dishes on the menu and I'm not shy to say too expensive seeing price list. I have no problem overpaying 1000 baht for long time tip but don't see need to spent 400 on a meal I may get somewhere else for 200 1. I couldn't say it better 2. I can recall at least three such a cases including one in June when boy explicitly told me that as reported in my thread from that trip. Fully understood since we may have reverse situation - we may not want to be seen with boy in tow by friend or family member visiting BKK at the same time. World is sometimes surprisingly small place

general comment - we think that inviting boy to a restaurant is a treat he would be grateful for but quite a few times I sensed they weren't keen on idea , perhaps not wanting to be seen there with farang twice or more of their age. I wonder if others had similar experience

when was last time I told you you are master of suspension?

nothing foolish in having two boys with you in queen sized bed, tested and certified personally foolish part is to invite second boy without consulting and getting sincere OK from the first one, also tested personally. From my experience best outcome would be if idea of crowding bed came from boys themselves and presented to you to stamp / and finance/. Then even twin bed will be spacious and comfortable for all three of you. Whole idea of letting CB to slip on the couch shows that he was insanely jealous or feeling out of place or both. But on another hand if we don't try we will never know so chalk of discomfort, if any, to experience but don;t do it again as it leaves bitter taste in three mouths at once. Just my 3 1/2 satangs

Even being a big fan of Tawan I must agree with you that both seating and layout aren't best , to many columns obstructing view but on another hand boys are walking freely among audience making easy to get acquainted even for shy types. As for get in and out type I agree even more - I get in , see somebody attractive, seal the deal and can't wait to get out with him