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but there are ones to counterbalance: flying cheap at end or aircraft, staying in cheap hotels, eating barely edible food, drinking only beer from 7/11 at most and then throwing money saved this way at the boys by paying generously because boys are the reason they come there in the first place. But even those cheapskates have their indulgences from time to time and feast on chicken with cashew nuts

clearly this DTG is not only charmer but also very level headed person. I second firecat's comment, very good and insightful post

I may sound pathetically old fashioned but fondling in open air bar, straight or gay should not be taking place , door were invented for a reason

no , building looks different but location near bus station is similar. Perhaps they demolished old one and built that ,no idea . It was 19 years ago I was there , Hotels may change bur ruins recommended to see are still standing and crumbling

this I can agree 120%, even boys when asked about earnings are inflating if they think they can extract higher tip or deflating to trigger generosity out of pity.

from bars I'd second BoyzBoyzBoyz may have some. ToyBoys, Abomb did not have anybody matching description last Jun but had in the past so worth checking , particularly ABomb. You may see somebody you like in XBoys as well although no guarantee. Best bet will be massage places - all three in Boyztown and Royal House beside TukCom. One of Copa masseurs in June would give most Tawan boys run for their money so you can hope he will be still there when you will be. In such a case you are fixed for length of your trip. Unfortunalely I was shackled with Tawan boy I took with me to Pattaya so other than checking his concrete hard 6 pack I did not manage to get into closer inspection but he looked very impressive

and this is exactly when this pitiful 300-500 may come handy. I can say it loudly because I pay way, way more but still remember old saying that not everybody who shits on you is your enemy nor everybody who is taking you from shit is your friend. Few boys have a car but truly few I guess, not long ago we had report from poster offing Jupiter boy to Babylon who took him there in his car.

and rightly so , you know how expensive is to maintain , insure and fill up those things? LOL on more serious note I don't think that many and some of those who do are owning vehicles they shouldn't because they can't afford it, just like lots of people in our own countries.

firecat , you asked for an explanation and I did, no need for an argument ask hungry boy what he says first, otherwise it's just paternalistic drowning person may consider one who throws him a razor his saviour

Since I'm not a beach person I stay in MARGARITA hotel downtown, not sure if it's still in existence under the same name but liked it because of really oversized room with big balcony

sex wise I think you can but I'd still be waiting until you are in the room and see how things are developing. this is why you should sit with boy, have a drink or even dinner with him to give you chance to feel him up and for him to feel you too , not only in physical sense but as a personality First time in Thailand? Of course not , you were few times before but somehow never tried Thai boys because you were travelling with your girlfriend, coworkers or even mom. I would not recommend to pick up your first boy or even boys on first few days based on website or other pictorials. Boy you will see in flesh may not look like one you imagined by the photos only Just go there, see what is available , who is looking and smiling at you and go from there. If inclined don't pay any attention to what you read her about any establishment or a boy. We are reflecting our own experiences which may or may not mirror yours. Go with your guts, we will be happy to comment ' did not we tell you?" but also happy to read that you were glad you did not listen to us, went to say, Jupiter offed this boy and he landed you in paradise on another hand. Out of three massage places mentioned I'd recommend Arena, exactly for reason mentioned above, you will be close to boys and you will be able to size them out better. But for your first massage experience I'd rather steer you to soi Twilight where you have Bonny's and Bangkok Massage with boys sitting outside. You may park yourself in a restaurant across /Maxi's / or beside / Dick's/ and survey boys over a drink undisturbed. By the way, it's recommended that you don't eat about 2 hours before massage so go for it before dinner You are in for a ball anyways

Please note 'below ' is your addition, I did not say that It goes by an actual deed. If I pay the boy 300 or 500, call me cheap charlie and worse. If I offer the same but actually accept his higher counteroffer or pay him going rate even if out of whatever reason he accepted my low ball I'm not cheap, I was just testing market. The same with boys and long times. If he agrees to 3000 and in the morning wants 4000 he is greedy. If he wants 5000 but settles on 3000 he was just testing market

you are on the roll in this thread LOL Of course you are right, to prove that point it's enough just to read comments in our ' model 'thread when some are salivating over boys,. dismissed by others right away. I mentioned it already I got great kick when proudly presented my companions to ChristianPFC who invariably whispered ' too fat"

and this is an impression I have too, I heard it few times from boys about farangs who offed them to high class hotels like Lebua, preceding with lavishly funded dinner and then offered tip lower that even standard one . Although it's not always because client is cheap, sometimes simply he may not have an idea what rate is but for boy it makes no difference. as for offs - yes , even superstars are going home empty handed. I had recent report from my beloved Tawan from guy who visited few nights in row and saw one of their brightest stars customer less night after night.

I don't see issue with posting anything about everything. if post pick interest of others may live here for a while even if it will be about municipal elections in Bolivia or so. If it's misplaced will die natural death and very fast

I can recommend day trips to ruins of Tulum and Chichen Itza. Count your money when exchanging at the airport, I still keep printout from adding machine showing 200*8=1400 !!!!!! and this is what I got instead of 1600. It was back in 1997 but I doubt much changed in their "mathematics"

I remember that post of yours. No doubt some are cheap charlies but probably some are fishing how low they can go and settling on higher tips While I have no intention of arguing how many offs boys have and how much they make, based on conversation with boys over the years for my personal use I believe that better than average boys are lucky if they have off every 4 days and massage boys are lucky if they get one massage every second day. Sure there are attractive and lucky ones who get repeat business daily but this rarely last long

few hundred baht is cheap for us, not the boys as most of them are living hand to mouth as firecat eloquently and accurately argued above. I got lesson of this last month when was with Tawan boy in Pattaya. He wanted some fish treat Chonburi region is famous for for his sister. Small jar was 150 and more than twice as much bigger 250. It was eye opener for me to see how disapponted he was by such a difference in price. Of course I bought big one for him and the thanked me few times for that, even few days later on my day of departure. Did not point all those long time tips but he thought important to thank for that big jar. So those 100 baht companion tips are going long way for a boys.

were we frugal when we were their age? remember you are saying that from perspective of person who has lots of life experience, at 19 chances are your budgeting skills were the same like ours at that age - non existing welcome to the forum but no need to be sarcastic on introduction. better way is to say what you think on the subject

I like you way of doing things. Boy obviously is decent and did not take any advantage of being already in your room demanding who knows how much and more like some others mentioned previously. And since he quoted you what we suspected are going rates for higher shelf level boys in BKK , now we have a confirmation.And 1500/2500 must be still kicking and alive in soi Twilight, perhaps even less if there's drought.

I can imagine G.W.Bush's comment ' you are underinformed"

sounds like me in my younger years

don't worry about length and keep typing. If you think post is too long just divide it into two. From my experience I suspect you have as much fun creating those reports as we have reading them , I have no doubt I speak for quite a few. too much planning may spoil experience if things are not going as planned. On my last trip which I planned and executed to visit Tawan on the first night for a first hour I was depressed since none of boys I wanted to see were there and two I noticed ignored me for a good while. You can off and whine/dine massage boy too. Naked boy is mutilating naked you and you call it impersonal ? Definitely there's need to 57 kinds of ketchup for all our various preferences

forget about it and think about next trip instead

for me is easy, I don't blame boys for trying to get more and I don't blame myself for not liking those tactics.It's why I fix price expectations before leaving bar everybody has own way of reporting. I think if we share names and numbers it helps good boys to get more business. From time to time I get PM's either thanking me for a lead or asking 'where you had eyes and what did you see in him". Even if we are not so happy lead is a lead . Others still may try to see if that's true and sometimes confirm , sometimes not. I'd not be surprised if Soda all of the sudden will become very busy recently because all this discussion above, after all our friend offed him after I reported that i was not exactly happy. like Thai boys say ' you think too much', trip reports are like boys cocks, for some too short , for some too long , for majority enjoyable and longed for we hope too, glad you found motivation to join in a good cause but best outcome is when one side contains both smiles, boy's and ours