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what are the pattaya massage options to begin with? not much information on here I could find.
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thanks, I tried Nuat Thai but the staff are gender mixed. I also realized a different spa, which had male only but it was quite obvious they are offer something sexual but I didn't have time to try the full service and i didn't like the therapist assigned to me. But if i know the staff name, it seems like I can book him in advance...
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On 12/9/2022 at 8:06 AM, GWMinUS said:
Best to log in to Romeo or Grinder. Find a Massage Guy there. Just be sure to tell them what you are looking for...
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Thanks do they have a place? I prefer going to the proper spa rather than visiting a house for a short visit
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Hi I have a long layover at MNL, t2 to be specific. I was wondering if there are massage places by men, not necessarily sexual service but a good massage. Also, if there are places with extra service I am happy but I am just assuming there is none....
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thanks @macaroni21 for the detailed response. It is very helpful. I think what I was looking for was more like Green Massage on Surawong and Paradis on Silom you mentioned. I like the thrill and I don't mind getting a good massage if there is no sex involved.
Any leads on Pattaya?
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15 hours ago, macaroni21 said:
@young11, your repeated use of the terms "outright gay" and "normal" is a source of confusion here (especially as you are likely applying meanings to those terms which are not clear to others in this forum) and, more importantly, a stumbling block for yourself.
For example, I get the feeling that when you say "gay" you actually mean the act of homosex and you're not using the word to mean sexual orientation, gender presentation or identity. By that measure your use of the term "normal" implies a massage place that has no sexual offerings on its advertised menu, nor any hint/scent of sex, e.g. a five star hotel's in-house spa?
Is your aversion to "outright gay" places because you don't want to be seen walking into a massage shop that has homosex vibes?
If you could rephrase your questions or comments without using those terms, it might be clearer. Bear in mind the possibility though that your imagined ideal may not exist as a business in Thailand. As with so many facets of commerce, if there isn't enough demand for a certain type/profile of business, it simply won't be viable for one to exist.
OK, sorry about the confusion. Outright gay means the shop shows the guys in front of you and you choose your therapist and the shop has min tip. Now when I read outright gay, this sounds awful, sorry about it. normal means you usually cannot choose the therapist unless you name them by knowing them but more importantly the shop does not advertise sex but we know it happens as some of you wrote your experience. I am looking for the latter because I can easily find the former (gay shops) online search while it is hard to find the latter because they do not show any indication of offering sex but it happens secretly between the therapist and client. Because they don't advertise themselves as selling sex, it is hard to find them by online searches, so I asked here.
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thanks, I am quite familiar with the thai way of running massage places but I just don't travel enough to try places to know them. I usually do not like the outright gay places with only sex in mind. I would rather go to normal places with a hot masseur and see how things go. If something extra is offered, will gladly take it. In fact most places offer something extra in my experience. I just didn't like the masseurs.
Are paradise and scandic gay only (i.e., clearly selling sex) place?
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52 minutes ago, reader said:
Since most of the guys who work massage places aren’t gay, I’m not sure I’ve ever come across an exclusively gay massage place (in Bangkok anyway).
thanks, good to know. I know some straight guys offer extra, which sometimes can be fun.
any massage places with men in Pattaya?
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On 11/19/2022 at 2:39 PM, pong2 said:
On my go-maps homespa, where this thread started with, is only in Thai written. That may be for some or many a tad too difficult.
As for these Sapan kwai shops, going from N-W there are:
Whithin 1 min of BTS Sapan Kwai:
M15 (old faded sign of fah.... still hanging. Reception is on 1st floor-ground floor is just a hall with empty cases
G-beat, in same house as where long ago Bridge used to be, by now one of the best designed spaś anywhere
across road: K-man, always busy with line-line-line. has just raised prices this week by 50 bt-is now 550 for 1 hr (outside window says still 450).
Then we take a longer walk -past BigC (also all renovated and upgraded)-turn left into Suttisarn/INtramara
Near soi 11 the first hit is that Hi-Club KaRaOK-no msg
BT-as just above, south side of road
KK-spa. Outside sign says 1 hr oil 350 bt.
then on nr 384, unmarked outside is Home Spa (sign to be seen when in hall)-a dump.
Across from there north side of road: M27 and then (only marked in Thai:) Ind(i)ra.
That counts 8 for me. Those of the K-concern all have front windows all covered and show pix of men only-other as a normal msg shop
The tiny majority who uses buses to go there: use one along the expressway there, like 24 or 504 and not via jammed up Suttisarn. Get off at Fire Brigade Suttisarn/Huay Kwang
There might yet be another barely marked one south side across from soi 15/17
Also remarkable if one has not been in that area for 3-4 yrs is how much going upmarket gentrification has hit, many very high rise tower condo flats, new design shops and even a co-working space.
Also saw a male couple holding hands of whom 1 had lONELY-Fans sign on T-shirt, no idea if this is meant as invitation or that he is such a **star
That old soi off Pradipat where the gay bars used to be: well they are all 4 still there without even names changed. DD en STAX left hand, U-turn and Waterloo right side. The very old sign of Be-High Bar is still there at bak soi (entry from main rd)
are these normal massage places with men only staff? or are these gay places?
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are there any normal massage places with hot boys? I feel like most massage places like to offer extra but hard to find a place with a hot guy or without knowing the name, name him. Ideally in BKK or pattaya
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23 hours ago, Slvkguy said:
If I was visiting Paris, I’d stick to Rentmen - that’s the only site with some sort of reputable reviews. There are many well reviewed guys there.
As others have noted, I’d expect Paris prices to be much more than Spain & equal to NYC/London w best providers asking 250-300euros. You can definitely find cheaper I’m sure….I’d rather pay more and be assured I’m getting a known person. Everyone has their own standards and risk tolerance for unknown people.
thanks for the info. But are the reviews on rentmen reliable? I think the escorts can block people so that they don't leave reviews and i am not sure if escorts can delete the reviews after it was given. Also isn't there a requirement to have rentmen chat confirmation to leave review etc? I have heard the reviews there are not very useful. I also know the reviews on hunqz are just compeletely useless because escorts delete all the negative ones...
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I agree with you about Brazilians, more broadly Latinos. They tend to work hard to satisfy you, that's why I like hiring them. But also they tend to be good kissers and usually good in bed too. Recently I hired a British guy because he was very hot but performance was really underwhelming, not a good kisser, very friendly but I felt like he is just doing the job more robotic way, not passionately but I guess everyone is different. I am so used to Brazilians that I completely forgot there are guys like him 😂
I also agree that thermas has timings so I also avoid certain days but I am also a bit particular about muscled body so maybe that is why. But I didn't notice the pecking order you mentioned haha I certainly noticed that the regular guys tend to walk around like they own the place but didn't think much about their interactions. I do know that they talk a lot about clients...
Anyways going back to Paris, so no recs? At least I wanna try some sensual massages as I really enjoy nude massages. Any leads there as well?
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8 hours ago, Slvkguy said:
totally disagree with this - I was at Thermas at least 12 times between July & October, both on busy nights and slow nights. I think the guys are much hotter & plentiful than pre-Covid. Depends on your taste of course - but now seems to be weighted to way more Brazilians, Cubans & Venezuelan with almost no Eastern Europeans or others. I do not remember the kind of crowds & quality of guys I see at Thermas now vs pre-Covid….no comparison.
that is good to hear. What type of guys do you like? I haven't been to Thermas 12 times after covid but mostly last year and earlier this year and once in September. There was a big lag in the middle because of monkey pox. I just avoided saunas because I had a lot of family visits so I didn't wanna risk myself. So my impression could be just due to the early times when it opened.
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17 hours ago, msclelovr said:
Agreed.
Exactly the same for me.
That explains your budget. I only ever had longer sessions: initially a date of 2-3 hours with a hot, muscled young man, before having him stay for an overnight.
i thought we are talking about the hourly rate as providers quote only hourly rates...But I tend to hire for an hour usually because I don't enjoy the talk afterward with many providers. With only a few providers did I enjoy the convo afterwards. But if you are hiring someone for 2-3hs with 200-300e, that is similar to 100e for an hour. Actually, they charge higher for a single hour and give discounts for multiple hours of hiring.
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On 11/8/2022 at 11:32 PM, forrestreid said:
I found that in September in Athens the going rate for guys on Hunqz was €100 an hour. The guys I asked were not particularly muscular, but were good-looking native Greek guys with at least ten positive reviews.
Never been to Athens but I hear it is another competitive market with loads of guys in need of some cash. I have met some Greek guys in Barcelona though, had really nice experience, also for 100e 🤣 I actually paid 150e for mfm with the one guy, that is how we met (and I hired him alone twice afterwards but alone was not as fun as mfm) and it was one of my best experiences in hiring so far. My understanding was that he was into mfm and liked showing off, so he hired a girl for 100e and got only 50e from me. We visited the girl's venue together. It was a weird setting but was so much fun and we did it couple of times with different girls he would find and sort things out. He had a really nice body like greek gods and I still vividly remember his body and movements haha Unfortunately, after the covid, his body was not as good as body so I stopped contacting him when I visit Barcelona.
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On 11/9/2022 at 12:02 AM, scott456 said:
I think this is the key for your 100 euros price. I bet none of them would cum for this price. That's my experience at the therma in Barcelona， they just lay there with semi-erected cocks, let you fondle them for 20-30 minutes, and they do accept any price offer for that, yes, even 50 euros with those not so attractive guys.
well, my experience with guys in thermas was quite different. Of course it depends on the guy but most guys there are actually willing to do more than what you described. I thought it was latin thing, always willing to satisfy and is horny all the time lol Anyway, Thermas is different, for 50e in Thermas you cannot ask for cum, it is the agreed rule in sauna, so I don't expect them to cum. And for any sauna or even hiring top escorts outside for 300e, I know some escorts do not get hard so it is not a thermas problem. But in thermas, you can check that before going into cabin so lower risk of that in saunas in my opinion. Outside of thermas they do cum for 100e, and I was not talking about paying 100e for thermas. I use thermas to test the water and find a guy who is a good match with me for 50e, so I hire them outside if we click. Not just thermas guys but in general almost all of my hires were expected to cum and do so for 100e if that is the agreed rate before the meeting. While I agree that the quality of guys has diminished at Thermas after the pandemic, there are some good looking guys there on certain days. Maybe you are not familiar with thermas but for example, guys like Junior ask for 150e outside of sauna, yet they come to sauna as well. It is weird and I never understood but I guess you can meet multiple clients within a few hours in Thermas but you waste so much time outside to get a client in Barcelona.
Anyway, I am not here to defend myself and if you don't like what I asked or wrote, you can just pass it. There is no point of trying to look down on me, just because I hire some people for less than you do. You don't seem to know much about Thermas and it sounds like you are trying to twist it to make your point. I only try to contribute to this forum as I did get a lot of valuable information from other members here in the past. I wrote this reply to clarify your idea about thermas just in case you didn't know about it in a good faith, otherwise you can ignore what i wrote if the information was not helpful for you.
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9 hours ago, msclelovr said:
Good for you @young11 but I’m surprised. Unless you’re talking about street cruising or guys off an app and offering ‘amateurs’ that for a quickie?
I do believe that you can be successful and pay so little if you yourself are handsome, muscled and young?
Well it depends on who and where. I never hire porn stars for sure. Actually I don't watch porn so I don't know who is a porn star and who is not. One time a provider said he was famous after we had sex and when I Googled him, he indeed played in some porns. Another incident was someone who couldn't get hard to top me so I topped him. He was a porn star too but I don't think I would ever hire him again. I don't think porn stars deliver better than an average provider with a good attitude.
I usually go for guys that are not too professional but has a good attitude toward this sort of job, ideally he enjoys sex more than being famous or being rich But they are certainly not street beggers or a quickie. Maybe my word muscular led to a wrong impression, I am not looking for body builders but I like guys who go to gym and have a proportional body (no chicken legs or hulks, though). And I never had a difficulty hiring with 100e in most European countries so I started wondering what you guys are doing or how much you are paying. I really thought the going rate in Europe is 100e except for those countries I mentioned...I never reveal information about me, I just contact them via WhatsApp and ask their rates and I was quoted 100 in most of the time but sometimes 120 or 150 but usually they just go back to 100e rather quickly if you refuse them. Unless I really want this particular provider, I never hire someone who lowered his rates because I think they will provide less. So I just say thank you and leave him alone.
Also, I don't hire from rentmen or us based websites. If you contact them from their they usually quote 200 or more. Maybe this is why you guys are surprised but in Europe I use hunqz most of the time. Search according to my specifications and check their rate or contact them on WhatsApp and ask for their rates. Again I usually get 100e even when they don't know a thing about me...
Rate wise, anything east of Austria is usually less than 100e, the west of Austria is slightly variable. I always find Spain to be particularly cheap, even the top escorts quote 100e, or even less for 30min. Portugal is another less known place for a low rate in my opinion but I stopped going there for job reasons. I even got 50 multiple times and one of them was really good. I hired him quite a few times when I used to go to Portugal. Of course the best place is thermas in Barcelona and even then when I hire them outside they usually quote me 100e. Some asked for 150 but they were well known guys like Junior. I like him and respect how he runs his business (affirmative and always consistent unlike many small minded providers who constantly change their rate and play games) so he was always an exception. But I am also not very demanding in terms of sex. No fetish no bb. I just require the guy to be able to get hard and kiss with tongue. So that could be the reason why they always quoted 100 for me and was always willing to meet with me outside of the sauna.
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thanks, I don't know the rates in Paris but I can get those guys for 100e in most of europe, except for maybe London, nordic countries & Switzerland. So I am not in a rush to hire someone in Paris for 2 or 3 times more if the rates are so high. This forum is usually very knowledgeable and resourceful so I just asked in case someone has a lead
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Ok it seems like I will have a few trips to Paris and I might go there regularly. I am looking for someone who is a good kisser and muscular, under 30yo. Ideally hourly rate would be 100e. Any recs? Also I tend to like guys who are not well known and discreet but with a good attitude. You can message me privately if that makes you comfortable
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15 hours ago, Mavica said:
paying 100 Euro to a guy who interests me would not upset me. I'd do it - because my appetite isn't as voracious as many others who post here!.
haha by reporting my adventures here, maybe I am considered as voracious. then I should stop contributing. Anyway, 100eu or usd for a guy is a very good deal in my opinion but finding that person is difficult in turkey as you can see from my post, whereas in most european market, it is quite easy, no hussle, mostly accurate pictures, and easy to visit or invite etc...
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Just an update from my recent trip there. My earlier sentiment is still the same: turkey is not the best place to hire. I visited aquarius sauna twice. The manager is just grumpy as usual, the boys try to charge 100euro in sauna although they are not that attractive. The price should be around 600tl (200 goes to the sauna) but again their attitude and inability to create a good experience make it not worthwhile.
Also, with vpn grindr works fine, you can find many profiles there ranging from 50 to 200usd, where most would quote 100. It's fine as long as their pictures are accurate but that is not the case in turkey, which makes the meeting really awkward. I hired one from grindr but apparently he sent fake body and nude pictures (but the face was real, which is odd...) I couldn't get the connection, I think he was just a total bottom who said top because of the money and had a sloppy flat ass (although the picture was a big bubble butt) so our sex went nowhere. Still paid 100 to avoid any issues and uncomfortable confrontation but I am not excited about going there for hiring for sure. Anyway, the food was good and cheap so I wasn't too bad overall.
I think turkey is a market for those who don't have access to European market. A lot of gulf men who cannot do things back home come here and spread their oil money and hire like no tomorrow, so that might be the reason why the market is so difficult.
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i always pay after, 50 euros. No one in recent history asked for more, but if they do, just smile and move on haha.
regarding the health form, I don't think it is required now if you are vaccinated (within 270days) or boostered. Booster does not have any expiry date.
I am just not sure if it is good to visit sauna these days because of recent reports here. Sauna works only when there are good boys there
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2 hours ago, tassojunior said:
US airlines flying into EU are covered.
https://thepointsguy.com/guide/guide-eu261-flight-compensation/
Flying into EU with non-EU airlines is not covered by EC261. As I stated, for EU arrivals, EC261 applies only to EU airlines. For example, if one flies AA into BCN directly and gets delayed, AA has no legal obligation to compensate. For EU departure, Ec261 applies to all airlines, so it doesn't matter if AA or IB. see below: "Remember these are European flight regulations and so only apply to flights departing from an EU airport, or flights landing in the EU with a European airline. "
https://www.airhelp.com/en/ec261/ec-261-compensation/
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I have flown Iberia business only but the flights were uneventful, so I cannot comment on their ability to sort things out quickly when things go wrong. I hear their customer service is horrible but I never needed to use their cs. So be careful about that. However, their food and wine selection is better than american companies.
On a different note, I almost always choose the european airlines over american ones because of EC261. For Eu arrivals EC261 only applies to EU airlines. So I would say I would avoid AA at least for the outbound flight. IB and AA are transatlantic revenue sharing so usually you can choose any airline you want for the same price.
IB vs AF: I have never used AF but I actually actively avoided AF: their safety record is not as good as you might think. I can't think of anything good I heard about AF so never wanted to try AF. Plus MAdrid is more fun for hiring than Paris, so there is that.
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I didn't know this sort of place existed. So you just pay 390 baht and join the sex party with models and do whatever you want?