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He must be something if after that kind of experience you still are in ' oh and ahhh " mode when thinking about him. Not that I'm surprised, we all know that at times looks and performance are not going hand in hand. Look at bright side -at end of day he left you with some pleasant feeling about him as we can see above.

You both are big time heretics, what next? some ketchup or tabasco sauce and few drops of bleach? Just kidding , drink what you want. For personal use I developed theory that beer helps to keep one hydrated better than anything else / of course not diluted with melting ice /. At home I almost never drink beer , tea being my choice of drink, but as soon as I'm on vacations somewhere warm I have that need to gulp bottle after bottle so it must be my body which is directing me to to stay saturated by beer drinking.

Try Royal House massage in small soi to the left of Tukcom / the same soi Baan Dok Mai hotel stands on the corner / , usually they have few hunks on duty

and where did you go ? apologies if I'm too nosy. And thank you for starting this great thread, I read all responses with great interest since I'm frequent user of all three massage places in this soi. Somehow early on I got an idea about their business model, likely by reading their price list and did not run into double tipping problem unless I wanted to. Even if I know now, always when engaging boy in one of those places I always ask directly 'how much of that fee goes to the boy" and look for confirmation from boy himself. At Copa few times actually guy from reception asked boy about charge and I paid 400 only as it was understood by all that boy will get his tip from me in the room. Like williewillie stated boys are available to be taken off , including long time but in that case it's better to be clear with boy in advance what we expect. Few years ago I took one of Scandic boys long time because I was impressed with his massage performance but to my disappointment he turned out to be useless as long time companion , wanted only sleep without being disturbed and still in the morning wanted his agreed tip so nynakedtop is not only one with disappointment from Scandic . But at end of day such things are expected to happen from time to time even with boys previously tested. I'm glad that I had mostly good experiences with Boyztown massage boys and with Copa boys Kao and Ko excellent ones, repeated quite a few times and Dom there whom I engaged long time in Jun is one of best looking boys I ever greeted morning with.

at least we know some intellectuals were on the bus

one thing is sure - vendor needs new jeans

You weren't ripped off by Scandic, most likely you ripped off yourself voluntarily. If was mentioned here many times , including me in my trip reports that all three massage places in that soi / Scandic , Copa and Body Club at Ambiance / are collecting masseur's minimum tip up front. It must say that on the price list which probably you did not bother to look at. But even with that 1500 sounds steep and I wonder how much out of that boy gets. Copa and Body Club are charging 900 and 500 out of that is boy's minimum tip. Fedssocr above may be correct about you being overcharged So when you return there please check price list and don't be shy to ask about boy's minimum tip. Now, if your choice was very talkative guy with tattoo and a bit of scratchy voice chances are you landed in hands of Yut, well known specimen to few of us here and with great sense of humor , so if you double tip him , at least you did a good deed which I sense you noticed already. As for other guy - did you meet him before, as this part is not clear ? Sounds like Jom by the way He could made it up as marketing strategy or simply could take you for somebody else, happened to me few times when boy or mamasan welcomed me "I remember you from last year " while in fact we never met. I agree that boys have very good memory and I'm not surprised when year or two later they remember my name , where I'm from, what I do at home , what I like to drink and of course how much I tipped them. But it's not universal and can recall at least of two cases when boys we spent really long long time together like 10-12 hrs did not recall me only half of year later or took me for somebody else.

you have a good heart !

I'd say all four hotels in Complex / Agate, Zing, The Venue and Poseidon / are well located for what we need. I stay in The Venue in June for 2 nights and loved it.

while I generally get along with mamasans I keep contact with them to bare minimum and never ask them what I should give to a boy, I rather get that number from boy himself. Unfortunately sometimes they inflate tip quotation and get a share of the spoils from boy. This is general comment not specifically related to Screwboys mamasans who were very helpful to me on few occasions. ***** that the advantage of visiting massages or bars - one gets a chance to look boy into an eye , not even to mention glimpse of his bulge if any. Costs more but as you said, better chance to make a connection. ***** if you tell us what happened at Scandic we will love you even more, LOL

while logic and calculations above are correct there's always danger then all that numbers crunching may convert into kill joy. What is workable solution for residents or long time vacationers may be time wasting exercise for those on short 1-2 weeks 'assignement' like me so we always are in danger of rushing selection and it may come at cost of inflated tip paid to under-performing local talent. It's why usually when facing a choice between me unhappy because of inflated tip and boy happy because this idiot vinapu overpaid him I side with the smart side and let idiot pay. But under-performing boys should be tactfully informed than we are unhappy, not necessarily by reducing compensation. I found that plain statement at departure ' you too expensive', ' no taxi money , I already got plenty', 'I don't like you going already but if you must go , just go' etc are either leading to improved performance next time or at least to lack of smile at next bar visit which absolves me from even considering repeat.

Do we have Democracy Monument BTS station? I kind of doubt. But fort is easy to get to as it's very close to terminal pier of Saen Saep canal / khlong / boat. Golden Mount temple -on only hill of any size in Bangkok is short walk from there as well.

we trust you, as older then us you remember Mr. Lincoln better I guess

I like sex boys better

I see her point but personally I'd rather loose my wallet and acquire real , breathing and warm thing, only few steps from those stalls

good to know about the access as it may happen to everybody. I actually feel sorry for that guy on BTS, stuff of nightmares

don't waste your time, have a massage / Fah in Jomtien complex would be recommended / in the afternoon and visit Boyztown in the evening, see what happens

not a good idea, let me tell you

hope 'dry' weekend will not interfere with your plans. Please let us know how bar opening situation on Friday and Saturday was in Pattaya

don't you guys think you are voluntarily limiting your choices ?

I'm sorry to hear it did not work for you this time but it will not stop me for dispensing the same again - chances are boy smiling at you will perform better than one who is avoiding your eye ***** you are overthinking it, boys are used to butterflies and will not take it as offence if you bypass them next time. Sure, if you offed boy several times , than he will feel like he owes you next time you enter bar but even then you are one who is paying and choosing **** first make sure you enjoy your vacation time and post report only when you feel like, it's a bit of time consuming as you know assumption is correct but not every top will bottom and not each bottom will rise to an occasion so to speak, not to mention other limitations boy and you may have ***** actually it happens often , they either answer honestly or even volunteer up front what that will and won't do it is and may take some fun out of all process but rest assured both boys and mamasans heard it all and even more. an alternative is just go for it and hope for the best but don't be surprised if that will not work as you regretfully discovered last night. It doesn't mean your time and money will be wasted , even if boy will not do this or that you may find other things to do with him in order to have a fun. If every detail is worked out in advance whole encounter may turn out to be very mechanical which may or may not suit you. I, if one asks me, discuss only fee, length of time and kiss yes/no , leaving everything else to a chance and joys of discovery.

perhaps your Thai fast lasted too long? just go and see for yourself, if you like boy make sure you made some eye contact with him to see reaction, if he avoids it , move on to a next angel

it always helps to remember then when we have sex with somebody at the same time we have it with everybody they had sex before including those customers who don't care about their and boy's / girl's health. All advises above seem to be very sensible , if only everybody bothered with obeying them. I believe mouthwash due to alcohol content is quite effective in sealing microscopic cuts in our mouths reducing chances of getting infected that way. When about Bangkok or Pattaya I always carry it with me along with KY and pack of condoms as one never knows when luck will smile.

since I was there during previous dry holiday Vishaka Bucha I'd not too worry about congestion but be inclined to spent that weekend in Pattaya rather than in BKK. Few Bangkok bars were closed , in Pattaya all were opened , just did not serve an alcohol, at least not openly, ahem

thank you for finding energy to write to us right after arriving home. Good luck fighting jet lag, hope it will not mutilate you too much. I agree fully with your assessment of difference between low season versus high one. No shortage of guys and those more popular are actually more amendable in low season, that's my impression. Only thing about Chinese some may not like is higher percentage of girls visiting boy bars, but they want to have fun as much as guys do. We may be losing competition for some boys to those girls but I see this as a force for good, boys showing an interest in us are perhaps a bit more sincere. At least we can see where their real intentions are..