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My impression from September visit is similar. Tip expectancies were not reduced but certainly boys were more amendable to long time and in the room trying to provide almost real boyfriend exoperience

yes , your and few other recent reports made me to abandon any plans of visiting between Christmas and week after New Year. Low and shoulder seasons have their advantages

yes Bobby, in boy bars barfine is called 'off fee'

I think there's no time like first time and I'm sorry to hear about food thing spoiling experience , that's novelty for me as never had those problems in Thailand. Perhaps you tried street food too fast ? Really I wonder but Boy69 may be right, spices not spoilage could made you running. Second report in as many days about disappointment in Senso, what is going on there? With Arena it's my favorite place and both are only ones my heart is pounding on approach , just like OP. Never disappointed in both but clearly looks I had jut good luck or what? Hope your next day adventures will be more fun.

While it makes great sense to tip boy 100 or more instead of buying him another drink for which he may get 20-50 they may actually have a weekly / monthly quota of drinks they are supposed to extract from customers so we should keep this in mind. If boy is sitting with me I buy him 1 drink and just one but only if I invited him to sit beside , if he plants himself usually i decline unless he is attractive enough. Tip 100 unless I keep him beside for longer than 1/2 hr or length of show, That's for sitting . If some discreet survey of goodies is involved or God forbid public kissing , I add another 100-200. If I will be offing him , no tip , just a drink. For semi-regular boys ie. offed already at least 2 times so bar had my of fees already , I have a tip but don't buy them a drink and tell them I'm not offing you tonight so they are free to pursue other options.

you not only one, disadvantage of living through the winter in northern countries I guess

great and fast paced report, just like reading about my own steps - Tawan , Arena, Nantra Silom. all feels like home , even with unsmiling reception girl. Second report recently noting that there are only few boys at Arena, hope it's only effect of New Year. It looks they raised their minimum to to a still reasonable 1000 waiting for a next installment

hope you will not be complaining that Pattaya boys expecting 1000 tip for an off are too greedy

that's very funny sentence

congratulation on having a chance to meet not one but two idols on such a short trip, V and Ofra. Great report and great read, like somebody mentioned earlier , partially from uncharted territory. Sorry to hear Arena and Senso , my two favorite places disappointed you, but as you noticed , it may be NYE effect. Baan Tewa seem to regain popularity , they should give DivineMddman free pass or something. Hope we don't need to wait till April 2019 to hear from you, not sure your realize but there's also Songkran this year , LOL

newscene , sometimes even if not everything is working out is better to err on generous side as it's always another time. and as addition , haggling in middle of the night with boy about his tip is not everybody's idea of fun on vacations. Don't worry about us having doubts if you had fun , you know better. You are right about boys changing their minds as perhaps they think it more secure to say '; no ' first and then change to ' yes' making client happy than other way around giving reason to complain that boy did not keep his side of bargain.

would not go out but don't mind being a girlfriend / wife of go-go boy if money is decent. Sometimes at end of night in soi Twilight or Boyztown one can observe girls on motorbikes picking up their men. I recall at least one case when my long time off told me he need to call his girl to tell her not to come and pick him up tonight and he did. Middle of the night call from girl ( I could her voice ) presumably asking "where the hell you are" happened as well. Even one boy claimed it was from his mother !

no wonder if we have reports of crowded bars and Prince where number of boys was three and for customrs standing room only. Everybody is trying to cash in.

somehow for me it goes without saying, always good luck with them

line of job they are demands to abandon a lot of inhibitions so this is not surprising. I heard this sentence from boys quite a few times ' it just a job for me" . As mentioned many times , for my personal use I'm of opinion that straight boys know that they need to try better and it's why they usually deliver. Of course those of us who are into more gay or feminine boys may not feel comfortable in such a company but chances they will be offing those manly types are minor, after all gaydar works for most of us.

have you ever heard or contemplate just to have hand holding session with boy. I never did but have few firm candidates so may even try in the future. One can be shocked and nastily surprised with some part of boy behavior but still have a fun. What's so hard to comprehend ?. One of on members few years ago offed one of most popular Tawan boy , sex was fabulous but unfortunately at end of the meeting boy released loud and stinky fart. That's nasty but did it really erased fun of encounter? For some it would , for some perhpas not at all.

how do you know it was mistake , I think newscene clearly enjoyed that time with V, may be a bit too expensive but mistake ? It is recorded in this forum that I once offed boy LT who was so tired that fallen asleep before his head hit the pillow. Instead of being upset I just enjoyed what I had - sleeping beauty and paid him his full tip in the morning, Don't even try to tell me it was mistake as I know better. I wish he would do to me again but he disappeared for few days from bar and then I was gone.

I can imagine such a scene , two hunks embracing and crying and almost got emotional myself. But I always try to rationalize those departure moments - in order to return we need to leave at first place. Now we are all in suspension, will he spent all those 7 hours in Prince? , certainly no shortage of consolators there

but you avoid soiling your own bed linens with all that oil not to mention other sources of soilage

I agree but question is how straight are those straight guys. sometimes I have my doubts even if I never deal with boys even remotely feminine

Well said on both accounts

I'd be inclined to believe him. In LOS I'm dealing with MB only and always ask about their limitations and at times I'm surprised what otherwise very adventurous boy would or wouldn't do. My favorite is one offed several times including whole days who still is at pain with idea of showering together to a point that I gave up, otherwise nothing wrong with him obviously with so many offs. When stopped harassing him for that shower, next time he suggested that we can. When thinking about it I came to an idea that in his mind all else is part of job to be done , but shower is still within his private time, otherwise what it would be? Another one was even more blunt when asked if he kisses ' I can fuck with everybody but kiss only with customer I like'. Than imagine deep night, I woke up by boy's movement going to a washroom. Minute or two later he is back and some angel is planting THAT KISS on my lips. To this day I don't know who it was, certainly not that boy, right ?.

like with many things fact that we numerically can afford something doesn't mean we can or should to avoid strain on budget. You are right about the same amount being easier on most of us than most of Thais. That's the reason , when in Thailand I avoid inviting boys to flashy eateries and generally avoid shopping in malls with them. They may be grateful for an item or invitation but at end of day will think " we could eat on the street and I will have better use on that 800 baht he spent on my meal". How do I know? Actually was told that by the boys few times and was not surprised. As for money compensation I'm 100 % sure you are correct, he could be offended and even worse, back off. If he was looking for money he would find the way of hinting it, after all you guys spent a bit of time together. All handled in gentlemanly way I'd say , neither of you should feel being taken advantage of.

or with fact that it's very busy bar and can afford to contribute to a bigger cup of tea. I only feel sorry for boys who came to look for some opportunities and now being hounded at somebody's whim. But what we can do ? not much other than offing them.

have fun tonight, waiting for next installment