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we are happy you posted your trip report, thank you. Hope your foot healed by now completely you might be surprised if you visited his room that there's no bed at all, few boys may be sleeping there on the floor. as for late evening / early morning departures I have solution. At least last night or two I stay in some cheap hotel like Pavillion , Nantra Silom or Om Yim and keep the room even if I will be leaving late evening. This way no restriction for me on the off opportunities , if fact those who read my trip report may have noticed I usually have boy till last minute to mitigate trip anxiety. And as a bonus , shower is available option after spending last hours in sticky BKK air not to mention that sweaty last meeting .

it is, our assessment of prices / high depends on our earning power at home as well as exchange rate - quite a mitigating factor in my case. So depending where we are coming from we may call prices outrageous or just bit higher. As for boys attractiveness this is very subjective. As time passes, past tends to be more rosy tinted and nowadays's water more dry than one in the past. Even for regular visitors attractive boy last trip turns out to be quite ordinary next one or other way around. But three things seems to be sure changes in comparison to the past : there were more bars then , most of them offered , now gone , acrobatic ( some may call it professional, not my word ) f***k shows and boys indeed paid more attention to their clients due to absence of smartphones. But even those changes are hard to qualify, not everybody was fan of those shows as after seeing few some were bored although I miss them since they featured 100 % naked performers. Having choice is good but up to a point - on 2 weeks vacation one can off only so many boys, say 14, and whether favorite bar had 25 or 150 of them becomes irrelevant. As for smartphones while being ignored may be hurting, benefit is one can survey boys unmolested while in the days of old we were followed with piercing eyes of hopeful boys. I actually like when boy lifts his eyes from the screen , notices me and smiles.

keep in mind , visiting Thailand and visiting Pattaya are not the same although first is required for second. Many frequent visitors to LOS skip Pattaya altogether including me in my earlier years ( only on 9th trip I braved to venture there, LOL ) and there are those who go straight to Pattaya from Swampy and never ever visit other parts of the country

that's the hope I have, bars will be resurrected somewhere but resurrecting soi as a whole will be harder task and this is part I miss the most, whole decorum and liturgy, bar here , restaurant there and flirty massage boys across. Even way of escape at other end - thing missing in soi 4 for example.

add odd hurricane here and there and spoilage is completed but that the joy of living in places, it's always something, typhoons. snow blizzards, droughts, earthquakes, volcanoes and bad government. Wherever we are it's always something we like and something we not. For me Bangkok would be close to ideal but is far from -I'd not like living in place where is hot almost year round but as vacation go , perfect !

bottom line is, at the moment not much is known for sure but it rather looks that day of soi Twilight are numerated. I wonder what is posters take on it's incoming extermination. Shrug, sadness or joy? I , for one have mixture of hope, sense of loss and curiosity. Hope that it will turn just hoax and things will stay as they are , but I don't believe it myself. Sense of loss as no day of my stay in Bangkok went without me strolling along the soi few times at various hours including obligatory late night foray though completely deserted and darkened soi after landing in BKK at 1.30 a. m. I will be missing not only bars but both massage places and restaurants where I had favorite boys and favorite dishes. People watching , meeting forum friends and all those eye candies heading to work or departing with customers to hotels- all seems hard to replace. Even if over years I offed probably more boys from Arena than from all soi's bars combined it was comforting to know that there's choice of boys , bars and shows. No , I never complained about prices there being too high even if low they were not but it was worth expense as far as I could see. But there's also curiosity how it will turn out, do bars , restaurants and massages find new places and where ? Will that work out ? Generally those moves in the past were not very successful but both Banana Club and Jupiter in recent years seem to do well in their new homes so there's hope. And where Dean of the soi, paulsf will be sitting next year ?

for me , opposite, I count Bangkok as my best city in the world, entertaining , full of energy , safe and affordable. Even without boys it would be in my top 3

some will , it's called long time. Just don't assume every boy will be able or willing to stay whole night so make sure you ask beforehand.

even best memories are not substitute for current patronage, clearly gay masses found another sources of joy, aged or got scarred of police and do-gooders vigilance. Only way of helping our cherished places and boys is actually patronage.

OMG , another obituary. It looks that there' s simply not enough gay custom in the Sunee area to support all those businesses, hence closures and "straight" conversions. Every time I read on those forums posters proclamations about not patronizing bars any more and not staying in known gay friendly hotels , whatever reason is mentioned it reads as another end is near. Reasons are many , some objective like fans getting older and less mobile and affluent or finding other places with more fun- Jomtien seems to be getting better and better , other subjective like complacency and greed of owners as well as BiB strangling slowly their golden goose but all boils down to fact that with every passing year there's less and less to be in and do in that area.

all the best to Pattaya police in their efforts to convert city to a family destination. Question is only who in their sound mind will be dragging wife and kids to a place with certain reputation and now known for frequent police raids . Biguyby is right above, some of that stuff couldn't be invented other than under influence of liquid substances

gin BBQ sounds tempting ...

for the same day trip Bangkok departure is Ok but return way too early. Good news is Nong Nooch Gardens now may be visited by train

I don't want to be doomsayer but all recent news from Sunee read as an obituaries

how was your Bangkok part of trip ?

hopefully no further complications from your foot infection. bar beside Nice Boys is Power Boys do they still have "special show" in XBoys? waiting impatiently for the next installment

I'm not against situps done by people aged 26, 46 or even 56 as long as I'm not one of them

lots of us, including me, don't even know when our next trip to Thailand will be

perhaps we will see some resurrection of soi 6 which once upon the time was quite viable alternative to soi Twilight with Solid and Tomahawk bars quite busy and well stocked with talent.. Super A used to be a dump in last few years but recently they spruced it up a bit and I was nicely surprised in September with what I saw there Reader and Steveboy, please leave Tuvalu problems to us Tuvalans and don't even try to suggest foreign i.e. Vietnamese intervention,

because for 26 years old 20 years is not a little time . From his age wise point of view you are prescribing him half of life in deprivation. Worrying at 26 how one will look at 46 is recipe for being grumpy , albeit lean , man at 66

welcome back ! send PM to Moses who is boss at Sawatdeee and also active here and he will be likely able to help you

Tormenting oneself deprived of little and big life pleasures is not everybody's idea of having fun in life

I agree , I 'm mightily upset with results of recent local elections in Tuvalu

to get some light or to set place in fire ?

like they care about soi's problems