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fair assessment above but in most of those places upkeep is in sync with prices charged. Prices in more classy and shiny places like MyHero or Prince are higher and unfortunately so are minimum tips. So we need to weight, based on our internal preferences , whether marble showers stall and new towels are worth of an additional outlay or not.

Great to learn that ABomb came back to life after renovations with gusto and greatly improved / show ! / thank you Ambassador Williewillie for keeping an eye on developments for us

When dealing with other humans only golden rule in effect is to be polite and respectful. But afters some trips to Thailand and partaking in the scene most of us developed some internal rules for personal use. Some are looking for smiles, others off short time only, others still visit each bar only once per trip and so on. And we share those rules here without any pretense that our rules are universal to any degree. Of course it's correct that predicting guy's performance by first impression is difficult , I add that often even the same boy turns different on the next meeting, lion becomes lamb, greedy turns generous and sworn top all of the sudden gives hints that he is not that sworn.

Guys at Nice Boys Pattaya are happily allowing you short indecent touch for that much. As for main point , it depends for what, 50-100 just for taking order and bringing drink sounds too generous to me , for forcing on us uninvited company even more so. But if boy sits with us invited for a drink I tip at least 100 and if session is longer even more . Definitely more if he initiates discreet personal survey moves ( I always wait for them to make an inviting move ). Generally speaking I'm off opinion that in bar tips should be in proportion to a skin revealed.

Hopefully they don't fight some skin disease or insects

I will suffer in silence while they look for a new place

While it's important to be respectful to host country culture, it doesn't apply to what is happening in the industry,where rules are simple and universal. Whoever helped you may be tipped if you so inclined and whoever did not lift a finger, no matter what rank and seniority is should be left with empty hands. I rarely have problems with mamasans for simple reason, while I treat them politely I liberally use word 'no' when they offer help I don't need or request tip they don't earned. Complain that tip is too small is met with 'that' enough' from me. I believe a lot of our problems with mamasans comes from us trying to be too polite and too respectful , much more than necessary. After all we are not buying all that stuff hawkers on Patpong market are trying to push on us. Uninvited mamas an trying to make small talk will get a lot of polite nonsense from me as response, enough to get a hint I'm not interested in. "What boy do you like ' , "I like girls, 'what country you are from ?' " Tuvalu, Burkina Faso, Suriname' or some other country far from first pages. So first advice , while acknowledging them try to mind our own , not their business. Second is to have enough of change so no need to wait for staff to bring it, BTS change counters are very handy for that. Third is not to pay any attention to supposed cultural norm that tipping in coins is offensive, if they don't like, and some don't, take coins back and leave them empty handed, been there , done that and it works next time. As for boys circulating with erect cocks , it's nothing wrong with them expecting tip, we would do the same in that situation, no ? Again wave away and polite 'thank you' should work but if one touches that cock , pats boy on the bum or whatever should part with some money. I usually tip only one chosen from the pack, better use of 100 baht than enlisting help of mamas to bring boy over as chances are after the show boy will smile our way broadly. Almost forgotten fourth advice it to place tip discretely in the palm or pocket of person , preferably when nobody is around 20 baht tip for bringing a drink is enough , even if it's senior mamasan, grandson of Field Marshall or whoever. As for OP question, I'd give 20 baht to waiter and pocket 230 as explained above why, tip another mamasan exactly way you did. While I don't like extortionate types I strongly believe in monetary rewards to people who helped us and made our experience better By the way I have a habit of settling my bills in bar right away, i.e. When drink is delivered I pay the tab and tip the waiter, this signalizes that I'm ok for a while and it's always read correctly.

Yes, no trip to Thailand is complete for me without breakfast at Foodland Patpong 2, pizza at Madrid Tavern, Patpong 1, chicken with cashews at Oasis and schnitzel at Alt Heidelberg , Beach Rd Pattaya. But as one can see I'm not exactly gourmet cuisine lover so follow my culinary advices at your own peril, lol. Still hope after renovations Oasis will reopen and at one point I will be able to enjoy my favorite meal there

You don't want me to get heart attack, do you ?, lol

What's wrong with those two places ? Not that I dispute, only on last trip at Prince I felt I got value for my money but it's still classy and well staffed place. My Hero the same. Soi Twilight you did not like, now Prince and My Hero are joining lineup so what part of gay Bangkok you like ?It must be something. Not trying to argue, I myself offed much more massage and Tawan boys than from soi Twilight but it was unique place , not comparable to anything other than Boyztown in Pattaya.

But rest assured it was favorite of many

Thank you for the answer, Will certainly consider that hotel next time as I like jumping from hotel to hotel like frog. Only unknown is when I will be able to go but hope I force myself to go at one point of this year

I read your report again and have question, you mentioned Heritage Silom hotel but do you mean Siam Heritage , one on Patpong side of Suriwong close to Oasis restaurant? This is what I sense from your narrative, correct me if I'm wrong. If that is a case it would be good news as in the past Siam Heritage was known as unfriendly to joiners so obviously they smartened up.

Thank you for very entertaining and dynamic report, waiting for more impatiently, I haste to say !

Between Prince and MyHero I'd still opt for Arena or Senso

I think 5-8 pm are best hours to visit

Go, see for yourself, enjoy and report back

We here much younger so it was easier to maintain natural one just by looking at us ?

And so do I , idea must had been borrowed by some other bar as I never visited Barbiery ( too shy to enter on first visit, switched to a massage boys on subsequent one )

Thank you, I need somehow to memorize that Up 2 name as it always escaped me. Too much on excitement for a first time I guess.

Patpong 2 Far from original format but has few bars originating from soi Twilight.

Make sure you have an access to umbrella as rains may start already. other than that just go and enjoy . Don't expect any dramatic difference between high season and July. And don't forget to let us know what did you see !

I still rather prefer to look for that smile directed at me as perfect body shape and hard work avoiding an eye contact doesn't do much good for me other than saving unspent money.

Do you pay your taxes ? And even if you say yes, how do we know if it's truth without consulting either you or Dutch tax authorities ?

actually good he mentioned it because probably it may be more people like him who overlooked Mack's original post