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Thx for the memories. It's a MUST.

Vinapu, I really envy ur adventurous risk-acceptant nature. Even without all the red flags, I cant imagine myself planning something like this with a guy who hasnt spent even one night with me. I mean, for one+ days some kind of chemistry and common interests r needed. I m way too reserved to enjoy ur free style. Good for u!

A 90-mnts drive all the way is Bani - sand dunes, salt hills amd red pools. Enjoy!

A 15-mnts drive to Lago de Tres Ojos (in the city) is really a must! it's a subterranean lake feeding four (despite the "tres" in the name) exquisite pools. The Faro a Colon nearby is a waste of time.

Do NOT use MyTransfers.ocm for airport pickup; they were 40 minutes late AND rude aobut it. As in my first visit 3 years ago, I stayed at Boutique Hotel Palaci: just off El Conde, 2 blocks from Parque Colon. $75 (less than previously)) for a very spacious room. No prblms with visitiors; on th econtrary, you've already read about their helpful conduct in the two incidents. cons: VERY slow-to-arrive hot water; basic and bland brkfst. I like the ambiance of the zona colonial (photos below).

Sorry to badger, but that was my question: Why is it easier than in ur hotel room?

Gay and Finn, Ur posts r great examples for what I've suggested in my "why not post" thread. Is there any reason not to ask the guys u mentioned (BJ 500, home massage) if they'd like u to post here their contact info? If they say no - nothing lost; if they say yes - u'll b doing both them and us a favor.

Three points. 1. Pls clarify: is this tip beyond the basic sum paid to the parlor? If so, what's the basic sum? 2. By way of comparison: for offs from J bars, massage + full sex, the fee is 1500. 3. Maybe this discussion hings on the definition of "happy". A person might believe his service (not only sex) is worth X, but he has to make do with X-minus bcs thats what the market dictates. It doesnt make him happy.

Do u guys prefer these motels bcs ur hotels dont allow visitors, or bcs u dont want to meet in ur rooms?

"Seemed very happy with tip" is an oft-repeated phrase in threads here. I humbly submit they seem happy even when they r not.....

Marc, I realy dont undrstnd why u and Gay repeatedly insisit on criticizing what I have NOT proposed: NO comments, NO private fotos. Only pblc foto+nick, and "rcmndd" or "not rcmndd". In any case, readers here got the point, and whomever agrees will hopefully do so. On my end - discussion closed.

Marlow's: Went there midweek at about 22:30. Relative small room; 30 sitting places. Very nice bartender (sorry I forgot to ask his name), who made me a delicious un-alcoholic drink, and upon learning it's my first time - took me on a tour: A back door leading to a smoking room, at the back of which there's a "darkroom" not really dark. Men were standing there chatting. Since the time was early (ie - b4 midnight), there were only about 5 people in each of the three rooms. I think about half were hustlers; some of them tried to make contact with me. They all looked too rough and unappealling to me. The main reason I won't return is the music volume. It's louder than at Jometien's bars; all the worse, bcs unlike them - it's a closed room. More's the pity for me; I cant verbally interact in such noise, let alone at my Spanish level. Apolo Spa: Leaving the bar, I walked there one short block. Arrived at 22:55, only to b told it's closing time. Enterance fee - 1500. Returned on Strdy at 20:00, but alas - worse volume prblm than at Marlowe's, only on weekends. Two info-gathering failures on my part. )-: Asked the handsome receptionist if I cld take a peek (at the spa, not at him). Gave me a sweet "no" smile.

Gay, For the third time - NO PRIVATE INFO. Peter, none of the providers I met in Thailand spoke English, let alone on a level enabling them to participate/post here.

No they cant Most providers in our main destinations dont speak englsh.

Already wrote "sorry" Already promised Already posted a new vowels-rich report

Despite the 2 incidents I didnt turn it off, so messages kept coming - of course at a reducing rate. For some reason prepagos appeared more, the vast majority of whom r only top. I learned that this means not only no sucking, but also not even touching a dick. Not for me. I had prepared a short summary of the two incidents, and copy-pasted them in some chats as a "test". Some guys disappeared. It might b they planned similar behaviour, or they percieved me as bothersome. In any case, it made me feel more secure. One guy reacted to this in an exceptionally promising manner, so we set a meeting at Paco. He mentioned payment "for taxi" and "if u want to gift me". He arrived in a taxi a minute after me, and beckoned me to the taxi for 300 pesos. I gave him a 500 note, and after paying he wanted to hand me the note. I waived it off, and saw this as a good sign. In the past, most pocketed the change without asking. After sitting I immediatelly gave him the money for the return trip, so he would b at ease. Second good sign: while I ordered a main dinner course, he said he had already eaten, and prefered only a simple drink. He described himself as "timid", after I mentioned that he was VERY silent - leaving me all the conversation work. We ended up in bed; good session, nothing special to report. I "gifted" him 2000, probably just because he had redeemed me from incidents trauma. (-: From then on it was smooth sailing. Had two similar hookups - NOT prepagos, expecting "gifts" - in 'oppsite directions'. As I was walking in El Conde, got a message from a guy sitting in independnce park, and the next day from one in Colon park (opposite end of the street). Applied my screening protocol; sat with them in the park; and ended up in my room. The 2nd one was both nice and good in bed. We had a longer conversation, beyond the basics. I tipped him 3000. His Grindr main public foto is below. Had him over again for my last night. BTW, for those wondering how these sessions square up with my promise of "no more" to the hotel security guard: it so happened that all of them werent on his shift..... (-:

Peter, I dont know about "childish" and I dont care about "trendy", but m sorry to read "difficult"; first time brought up. Sorry about that. It's a second habit; I'll try to wean off.

Thnk u Gay for checking this out. His answr is of course VERY rsnbl. It's my mstk; didnt clarfy enough. I meant no dscussion / rprt / gossip, and nothing more than main-pblc foto and nick, like "Jose with the foto of shoulder or 2 flowers". I dont c any prblm with just writing: dont cntct this guy, or this guy is ok. If I do ask them in advance, as Maump has mentioned, and they agree - I'll share all the info they'll want/allow. At the very least, we really MUST proactively warn against cheats.

Marc, u r right. Hwvr, I meant only the pblc foto (mostly - not faces) and the name on it. When prsnt at the locality, grndr mmbrs can c it and know abt it.

(-: Now, I too m fmlr.

One of the major aims of these forums is to share info about good/safe providers. Is there a reason we're not sharing their grndr (and other apps) prfls? screenfoto and name..... I mean: there's no privacy prblm bcs it's pblc knowlege anyway, and it IS the best way to help out both seekers and prvdrs. M I missing something? [Will pblsh this query also in the LA forum.]

Afterwards I talked with Juan. Me: how much more than one guy? Juan: 2 - 6000; 3 - 7500 instead of 9000. M: "one hour, do everything"? J: yes. M: ok. I want 3 guys but only 30 mnts, only sucking, dont need leche. J: 6000. M: I agree, but I need u to arrange more guys with long hard dicks to choose, prfrbly - cut. For friday J: ok, I arrange evrything. On frdy mrng I msged him to set the meeting for 16:00, and he cnfrmd that evrthing wld b ok. When I got there, he wasnt there, didnt rspnd in whtsp, and the guys knew nothing abt it. Hwevr, they agreed to almst evrthing I said. 2 prblms. One, there were only 6 guys, at least 4 the same as the last time, not enough long dicks, and not to my taste. Except of course for Zendoe. Two, no one wld suck, incldng Z. Guess they wont admit in pblc.Of course I didnt rat on him. I left dsapntd, and rprtd all to Juan. He msged back 2 hours later: sorry (no explntion), u come back in evng. We settled on the next day. On strdy I msged him. He wrote: if u want them to suck u - only 9000 for full hour. I gave up. My prsnl lesson: M not sure he has 14 guys, or that the others r btr quality. Contrary to his promises, prbbly best to avoid plans, and just make do with whatever there is on hand. Juan's nmbr: +1 829 364 5646

Walked there at around 13:00, 12 mnts from my hotel at the other end of El Conde. Gglmps address and foto - accurate (door is blue rather than yellow). I think there r circa 6-7 rooms; place is VERY clean and neat. Juan speaks good+ English; I waived practicing my Spanish. He said he has a total of 14 guys, 6 present. They lined up for me, all self-jerking, 3 of them with their dicks on display. I assumed the others have less to show. Only 2 were to my liking, so I picked the one sporting a long dick - Zendoe. The rate is 3000, for "one hour, do everything". He might have overcharged me; I dont rmmbr seeing Juan's rates discussed here. We went to the room, stripped. I asked to start with a massage. Z went to bring lotion/oil, but came back empty handed. He started massaging my back regular amateur, while sitting on my lower legs. In 2 mnts I cld feel his dick harden, and after 2 more - he put my hand on it. We had a VERY satisfactory 45 mnts session; he did everything I wanted, incldng kissing, taking non-face fotos (c below) and climaxing 69. As we dressed he noticed that a lotion btl was actually in the room. )-: I tipped him 300.

On my first evng I went there, curious at this House of Ultimate Sleaze, best undrstood as a dark hall rather than a dark room. I wont repeat the detailed dscriptions already offered here. Previous rprt (Gaum I think) mentioned that maybe it opens before 6:30. It does: Mon-Fri 17:00-21:00. 150 pesos. The neighbourhood is OK, also after dark. It's included in the safe area as defined by my hotel's rcption, but I can vouch prsnly only up to 19:30. Nvrtheless, per Gaum's rcmndation, I came with no valuables on me. OTOH, I did bring a small belt bag with a bottle of water and mouth & hand hygene stuff. I didnt find it too hot; certainly didnt sweat. The 3 big ventilators at the top row serve as a resepite. After entering I always stayed there a cpl of mnts adjusting to the dark, and then started cruising. Beyond the sleaze, I find this dark navigating an amusing challenge. I ended up visiting 3 times. The vast majority r mature locals, with a sprinkle of youth to whom most congregate. I believe that at max there were 25-30 men inside, walking around looking for action. A few were sitting by themselves, growling "no" to anyone propositioning himself just by stopping near them. If u want attention: sit down and spread ur legs; or go to the mid-left chairless section and lean against the wall (thats where u can also watch from close by); or just take it out and walk or sit. Had my fair nmbr of rejections and of rejecting, but nvr left without being emptied by a BJ. One time it was while I was jerking off a student(?) leaning on the wall next to me. Another time was while sitting with a young guy at the front row. I had been watching him being blown by someone who had beat me to him. After climaxing, he went to the rest room, washed his dick, and went right back in. I let him recuperate 10 mnts, than sat by him asking "puedo?" He welcomed my attentions, and at some point initiated mutuality. We ended up chatting like 5 mnts, him laughing at some of my tourist observations. Two curiosities. About 25 mtrs from the Cine, as I was walking away after my scnd vst, a man coming from the opposite drction invited me to come again. Dont now how he identified me; either he prvsiouly saw me up close and prsnl, or - is there a special look of a man who had just been blown..... ? Two, I ntcd this Grndr prfl (c below). Cant tell if its by the Cine itself, or of someone hoping to find more company. At all 3 times, after swalloing my leche, the goodbye was "gracias pappi"...... (-:

No charitable activities; payment for services rendered. However, I dont haggle on +-$20