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How then do u explain Zack's foto posted above?

Colmx , Alvnv: Of course I'm aware of that subsection. If u click on it u'll c it's poor offerings: during the last year there r only 9 posts, 7 of which deal with apps rather than with providers. It is a matter of fact that members here prefer to post reports on the countries/cities subsections. In these posts they also mention hookups with providers (good or bad), almost always WITHOUT adding the essential details (public foto and name) which would make the report beyond intrstng - also USEFUL. The very existence of that subsection (to which both of u referred me) proves that criticism of my suggestion (as flaunting privacy rules/norms) is totally unwarranted. Of course, members who want to abide by the organizational chart of this website could add a referral/link to their report in a country/city forum: "see full review in the apps forum". To wit, none do. I'd find such a procedure redundant and bothersome. I therefore urge all of us, in line with this website's rational (exhibited also by the existence of the apps forum) to add the public identifying details of providers - for the benefit of all here. (-:

No Those apps exhibit profiles, sometimes 'marketed' by official or non-official providers. What I suggested here is that members who had met with those providers - post providers public name&fotos and add a short rcmndtion ("Zack is s really good btm boy") or warning ("X is a cheat and doesnt look like his fotos"). It's similar to a "reviews" section. It would immensly help us to identify quality guys, and help worthy providers get more clients.

Turns out that Marc - who vehemently criticised my suggestion to share info about providers - examplified its benefits with Zack. BKK posted Zack's public profile pic, and Marc recommended him. That's exactly what I'm calling on all of us to do more: WITHOUT private info or pics; with public info that the provider himself posts.

It's u who has a good heart! Ater all he has done/said and not done/said, to speculate that his intentions toward u might have been benign - attests to a saint-like heart.

Simple rule: NO NO NO pre payments.

"To this day nobody came with plausible explanation as why he wanted me to go separate and earlier at that." Occam's razor - "The simplest explanation is the likely the correct one": he didnt want to spend time with u, or - per Boy 69 - he didnt want to be seen with u.

Glad to report I made a HUGE mistake regarding Apolo's entry fee. It's not 1500, but rather 350-600 depending on week days/end. Apologies. )-:

I humbly submit: there's no reason to disect V's conduct here. He is very experienced and clear headed. He knew what he was getting into. I m sure it's not the first incident of its kind in our world of paid sex; lets hope it's the last for V. Vinapu, warm hug. (-:

Thx for the memories. It's a MUST.

Vinapu, I really envy ur adventurous risk-acceptant nature. Even without all the red flags, I cant imagine myself planning something like this with a guy who hasnt spent even one night with me. I mean, for one+ days some kind of chemistry and common interests r needed. I m way too reserved to enjoy ur free style. Good for u!

A 90-mnts drive all the way is Bani - sand dunes, salt hills amd red pools. Enjoy!

A 15-mnts drive to Lago de Tres Ojos (in the city) is really a must! it's a subterranean lake feeding four (despite the "tres" in the name) exquisite pools. The Faro a Colon nearby is a waste of time.

Do NOT use MyTransfers.ocm for airport pickup; they were 40 minutes late AND rude aobut it. As in my first visit 3 years ago, I stayed at Boutique Hotel Palaci: just off El Conde, 2 blocks from Parque Colon. $75 (less than previously)) for a very spacious room. No prblms with visitiors; on th econtrary, you've already read about their helpful conduct in the two incidents. cons: VERY slow-to-arrive hot water; basic and bland brkfst. I like the ambiance of the zona colonial (photos below).

Sorry to badger, but that was my question: Why is it easier than in ur hotel room?

Gay and Finn, Ur posts r great examples for what I've suggested in my "why not post" thread. Is there any reason not to ask the guys u mentioned (BJ 500, home massage) if they'd like u to post here their contact info? If they say no - nothing lost; if they say yes - u'll b doing both them and us a favor.

Three points. 1. Pls clarify: is this tip beyond the basic sum paid to the parlor? If so, what's the basic sum? 2. By way of comparison: for offs from J bars, massage + full sex, the fee is 1500. 3. Maybe this discussion hings on the definition of "happy". A person might believe his service (not only sex) is worth X, but he has to make do with X-minus bcs thats what the market dictates. It doesnt make him happy.

Do u guys prefer these motels bcs ur hotels dont allow visitors, or bcs u dont want to meet in ur rooms?

"Seemed very happy with tip" is an oft-repeated phrase in threads here. I humbly submit they seem happy even when they r not.....

Marc, I realy dont undrstnd why u and Gay repeatedly insisit on criticizing what I have NOT proposed: NO comments, NO private fotos. Only pblc foto+nick, and "rcmndd" or "not rcmndd". In any case, readers here got the point, and whomever agrees will hopefully do so. On my end - discussion closed.

Marlow's: Went there midweek at about 22:30. Relative small room; 30 sitting places. Very nice bartender (sorry I forgot to ask his name), who made me a delicious un-alcoholic drink, and upon learning it's my first time - took me on a tour: A back door leading to a smoking room, at the back of which there's a "darkroom" not really dark. Men were standing there chatting. Since the time was early (ie - b4 midnight), there were only about 5 people in each of the three rooms. I think about half were hustlers; some of them tried to make contact with me. They all looked too rough and unappealling to me. The main reason I won't return is the music volume. It's louder than at Jometien's bars; all the worse, bcs unlike them - it's a closed room. More's the pity for me; I cant verbally interact in such noise, let alone at my Spanish level. Apolo Spa: Leaving the bar, I walked there one short block. Arrived at 22:55, only to b told it's closing time. Enterance fee - 1500. Returned on Strdy at 20:00, but alas - worse volume prblm than at Marlowe's, only on weekends. Two info-gathering failures on my part. )-: Asked the handsome receptionist if I cld take a peek (at the spa, not at him). Gave me a sweet "no" smile.

Gay, For the third time - NO PRIVATE INFO. Peter, none of the providers I met in Thailand spoke English, let alone on a level enabling them to participate/post here.

No they cant Most providers in our main destinations dont speak englsh.

Already wrote "sorry" Already promised Already posted a new vowels-rich report

Despite the 2 incidents I didnt turn it off, so messages kept coming - of course at a reducing rate. For some reason prepagos appeared more, the vast majority of whom r only top. I learned that this means not only no sucking, but also not even touching a dick. Not for me. I had prepared a short summary of the two incidents, and copy-pasted them in some chats as a "test". Some guys disappeared. It might b they planned similar behaviour, or they percieved me as bothersome. In any case, it made me feel more secure. One guy reacted to this in an exceptionally promising manner, so we set a meeting at Paco. He mentioned payment "for taxi" and "if u want to gift me". He arrived in a taxi a minute after me, and beckoned me to the taxi for 300 pesos. I gave him a 500 note, and after paying he wanted to hand me the note. I waived it off, and saw this as a good sign. In the past, most pocketed the change without asking. After sitting I immediatelly gave him the money for the return trip, so he would b at ease. Second good sign: while I ordered a main dinner course, he said he had already eaten, and prefered only a simple drink. He described himself as "timid", after I mentioned that he was VERY silent - leaving me all the conversation work. We ended up in bed; good session, nothing special to report. I "gifted" him 2000, probably just because he had redeemed me from incidents trauma. (-: From then on it was smooth sailing. Had two similar hookups - NOT prepagos, expecting "gifts" - in 'oppsite directions'. As I was walking in El Conde, got a message from a guy sitting in independnce park, and the next day from one in Colon park (opposite end of the street). Applied my screening protocol; sat with them in the park; and ended up in my room. The 2nd one was both nice and good in bed. We had a longer conversation, beyond the basics. I tipped him 3000. His Grindr main public foto is below. Had him over again for my last night. BTW, for those wondering how these sessions square up with my promise of "no more" to the hotel security guard: it so happened that all of them werent on his shift..... (-: