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With all due rspct Scott, thousands of enjoyable paid sex ecounters occur in both parts of the world. People who want 100% security should indeed follow ur example. (-:

U r right, and it's true in any brothel-like establishment. However, this isnt a readon to give up on the private one.

Thx BKK I dont think it's a matter of poverty, and I certainly dont generalize from these two incidents. Hwvr, I think the chance of such behavior is higher in LA than in SE Asia, due to dfrnt culture mentality of which we r all aware.

The next day a masajista (M) offered himself. I was explicit on "regular + sensual" and that he wld suck me; he cnfrmd. I agreed to his 2000, applied the same procedure with him, and we went to the room. His massage was lackluster, nothing sensual about it. He also didnt get hard. When I wanted to progress he said he doesnt suck. That was about 25 mnts into the meeting. I told him the meeting is over, and even though he doesnt deserve it - I'll pay him half for half the time. He started to shout at the top of his voice that he wants the whole 2000; I stood my ground; threatened to call security; and since he wldnt leave - did so. The same sec showed up (mrng noon shift), unsrprsngly offering to split the dfrnce. I refused, went down to rcption, they followed me - all the time with M shouting. After a few mnts I got fed up, told the sec I was going out, and did so. M continued to argue with him; by the time he started following me, I lost him in El Conde. I then doubled back to the hotel; M noticed me, but when he saw I'll reach safety before he caught up with me - threw at my back a small lotion bottle and scurried off. I apologized profusely to the sec, who was srprsngly good natured about it (as was the young lady rcptionist). I gave him the 1000 that M lost, and promised that this wont happen a 3rd time. This sequence left me rattled. In 20 years something like this happened to me only twice (Shanghai and Addis Ababa). My instincts failed twice in a row, and I felt I cant try again (also bcs of the hotel staff). Not to leave u totally dprssd, future rprt will detail that things picked up from this nadir. Meantime, everyone is free to choose his own lessons from these negative events. )-:

Forgot to add: before leaving SD ystrdy, I sent him a wtsp msg: 1 - u lost money bcs of ur behavior; 2 - I rprtd to the police, so now they have ur nmbr and ur screened-photoed pic; I shall post it with a warning in relevant forums. I dont know if he believes or cares; I hope it might constrain him in the future.

M not sure everyone is going to like this rprt. I offer it especially for newbies, and wont b srprsd if my conduct wld be criticized as naive and/or quarrelsome. Things preferable to know about me, in order to undrstnd my rprts: * this is my 2nd visit here. U can c my detailed favorable 2020 rprts. * I speak spanish at an intermediate level (which is enough). * I m at an un-anal phase; prefering kissing, body cntct, cock worship, mutual sucking. * I dont like to haggle, and view payments / tips as my cntrbution to the redstrbution of wealth btw the 1st and 3rd worlds. * Cheats / bullies cause me to prioritize principled resistance over peace of mind. I arrived at the hotel after midnight, opened grindr, and went to sleep. When I awoke, there were circa 50 msg (not counting taps which I ignore). Very few prepagos; all with same small-talk questions and exhibiting their fotos. It was very strange for me that while pushing for a meeting, nobody mentioned money. Not wanting any misundrstndings, I very politely wrote the following: "Since there r many hidden prepagos here, please excuse my question - do u expct money of me? I dont mind sometimes paying, but I prfr to know in advance." Almost all rspndd: no, but just for taxi or dinner or if u want to gift me. Guess that's the way for them not to feel like scort / prepagos. My prsnl cautious stndrd procedure also includes delicately inserting in the chat that I once had to call hotel security (so they know I cant b bullied); and meeting outside the hotel before going to the room. Nevertheless, I failed twice. First guy was Jefrey, who wrote he only wants "gasoline money". He also shifted us to whatsapp, which I naively found friendly. He's a total top, with a lean body (without that small belly too many guys there have), and a long hard dick. Also good smile and energy. Had a great time with him. After we dressed, I gave him 1000, saying "this is for gasoline", and meant to add 1500 more. However, he immediatelly changed his demeanor, loudly demanding more (without saying how much). I said - to no avail - "u said only gasoline", but he denied it. Abandoning my good intention, I added another 500. He kept on, and I lost my patience. I wanted to show him the "gasoline" in the grindr chat, but cldnt find the chat. He told me he had deleted it (proving his intention to cheat), kept on demanding, and mentioned the police. I said "fine, we go to police, but first to hotel security". He followed me to rcption shouting, but suddenly rmmbrd he forgot his cap in my room. I said "if u want ur cap, give me back my money". He gave me 500, I got him his cap, but he started demanding the security guy that I pay him more. I was amazed at two things: that Jefrey isnt averse to telling-all to the security, and that the sec wasnt srprsed. He suggested I rtrn the 500 and that Jefry wld leave without additions, which is what happened. I apologized to the sec, and tipped him 500. Great sex; bad aftermath.

Thats what I saw in ggl. Just wanted to make sure after reading here that some hotels r already sold out - 8 (!!!!!!!!) months in advance.....

I m very glad this thread unusually includes such wealth of non-sex tourist info, just as I m planning a visit there. Thnk u all for sharing. Is pride week at the end of oct?

Kudos BKKK for the detailed rprt! Most useful for anyone wishing to follow ur exprncd footsteps. Loved the geese foto. (-:

Will report when I have time. Not all is rosy.....

Thnks BKK; The dtrmnation exhibited, despite ur self imposed midnight curfew time, testifies to ur dedication to our team. (-: Sorry this techno trashes ur dance dream. )-:

Please excuse this comment. I dont mind seeing a vietnam thread in the thailand forum, but guys looking for vietnam info, r not going to search here....

It's not that u r stupid Ben, but I did report on this in my Nov 29 post. If u go to rcption, they'll line up all the boys on premises for ur choice.

.....anybody home ? 5 days to arrival in SD. Anyone wants to meet? Anyone willing to share specifics, contacts, venues info, tips...... ?

I posted this in the general forum, but got only one rspns. Hope it'll get more traction here. Guys, I failed to find it on google. Pls post a link, or just fill out the words. Thanks (-: Body contact - contacto corporal ? To kiss - besar To touch - tocar ? To hug - abrazar To cuddle - acariciar ? To fuck - To cum - gozar ? Cum - leche Cock / dick - pele ? To stay hard - Cut / uncut - Balls - huevos ? Nipples - pezones ? To play - jugar ? Ass - To rim - Soft / vanila sex - To suck - chupar ? BJ - una mamada ? HJ - To jerk off - 3some / 4some - Sex without anal fucking - Anything else ?????

That's a GREAT idea! Hvnt thot abt drpng my vwls in speech as well....

Regarding desperate Phuket massage boys "willing to do anything", my Dec exprnc was almst opposite. Jomtien boys jump insistently up at every passerby; in Phuket most dont even get up. [It didnt matter to me, since I wasnt atrctd to them anyway.]

Andy, u'll find a very pstv review by me of a massuer called Tob. He works at Foxy; I enjoyed him in my VERY nearby Agate hotel room.

BKK, with ur prmission I'd suggest u hop over there during normal hours, just to inquire. If it's true, ur 1st dance visit there is on me. I'd like to partake from afar in ur "dream come true"..... (-:

I join the 2 rcmndations of Mike's. He HAS srvvd covid. Used his srvc in Dec.

I second msclelvr regarding chile.

Hojacat, since u didnt deny Peter's obsrvation that u r "still young and in [good] shape", What wld u rcmnd to us who r neither? Keep our dstnc to avoid dspntmnt??

Vinapu, I wld never have guessed that u r a non-primary englsh spkr....

"If you don't have anything nice to say, don't say anything at all." There was once a mmbr in these frms, who had a rather.....scornful style, eliciting not a few hurtful or angry rspnss. I politely PMed him abt it. To his credit (and my srprs) he gracefully accptd my cmnt, and chngd acrdngly. I humbly venture to submit this as the prfrd venue for cnstrctv crtcsm; a frms equivalent for The Golden Rule. (-:

I'd also suggest a bit of patience. I was solicited on grndr for free...