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I agree with you about Brazilians, more broadly Latinos. They tend to work hard to satisfy you, that's why I like hiring them. But also they tend to be good kissers and usually good in bed too. Recently I hired a British guy because he was very hot but performance was really underwhelming, not a good kisser, very friendly but I felt like he is just doing the job more robotic way, not passionately but I guess everyone is different. I am so used to Brazilians that I completely forgot there are guys like him 😂 I also agree that thermas has timings so I also avoid certain days but I am also a bit particular about muscled body so maybe that is why. But I didn't notice the pecking order you mentioned haha I certainly noticed that the regular guys tend to walk around like they own the place but didn't think much about their interactions. I do know that they talk a lot about clients... Anyways going back to Paris, so no recs? At least I wanna try some sensual massages as I really enjoy nude massages. Any leads there as well?

that is good to hear. What type of guys do you like? I haven't been to Thermas 12 times after covid but mostly last year and earlier this year and once in September. There was a big lag in the middle because of monkey pox. I just avoided saunas because I had a lot of family visits so I didn't wanna risk myself. So my impression could be just due to the early times when it opened.

i thought we are talking about the hourly rate as providers quote only hourly rates...But I tend to hire for an hour usually because I don't enjoy the talk afterward with many providers. With only a few providers did I enjoy the convo afterwards. But if you are hiring someone for 2-3hs with 200-300e, that is similar to 100e for an hour. Actually, they charge higher for a single hour and give discounts for multiple hours of hiring.

Never been to Athens but I hear it is another competitive market with loads of guys in need of some cash. I have met some Greek guys in Barcelona though, had really nice experience, also for 100e 🤣 I actually paid 150e for mfm with the one guy, that is how we met (and I hired him alone twice afterwards but alone was not as fun as mfm) and it was one of my best experiences in hiring so far. My understanding was that he was into mfm and liked showing off, so he hired a girl for 100e and got only 50e from me. We visited the girl's venue together. It was a weird setting but was so much fun and we did it couple of times with different girls he would find and sort things out. He had a really nice body like greek gods and I still vividly remember his body and movements haha Unfortunately, after the covid, his body was not as good as body so I stopped contacting him when I visit Barcelona.

well, my experience with guys in thermas was quite different. Of course it depends on the guy but most guys there are actually willing to do more than what you described. I thought it was latin thing, always willing to satisfy and is horny all the time lol Anyway, Thermas is different, for 50e in Thermas you cannot ask for cum, it is the agreed rule in sauna, so I don't expect them to cum. And for any sauna or even hiring top escorts outside for 300e, I know some escorts do not get hard so it is not a thermas problem. But in thermas, you can check that before going into cabin so lower risk of that in saunas in my opinion. Outside of thermas they do cum for 100e, and I was not talking about paying 100e for thermas. I use thermas to test the water and find a guy who is a good match with me for 50e, so I hire them outside if we click. Not just thermas guys but in general almost all of my hires were expected to cum and do so for 100e if that is the agreed rate before the meeting. While I agree that the quality of guys has diminished at Thermas after the pandemic, there are some good looking guys there on certain days. Maybe you are not familiar with thermas but for example, guys like Junior ask for 150e outside of sauna, yet they come to sauna as well. It is weird and I never understood but I guess you can meet multiple clients within a few hours in Thermas but you waste so much time outside to get a client in Barcelona. Anyway, I am not here to defend myself and if you don't like what I asked or wrote, you can just pass it. There is no point of trying to look down on me, just because I hire some people for less than you do. You don't seem to know much about Thermas and it sounds like you are trying to twist it to make your point. I only try to contribute to this forum as I did get a lot of valuable information from other members here in the past. I wrote this reply to clarify your idea about thermas just in case you didn't know about it in a good faith, otherwise you can ignore what i wrote if the information was not helpful for you.

Well it depends on who and where. I never hire porn stars for sure. Actually I don't watch porn so I don't know who is a porn star and who is not. One time a provider said he was famous after we had sex and when I Googled him, he indeed played in some porns. Another incident was someone who couldn't get hard to top me so I topped him. He was a porn star too but I don't think I would ever hire him again. I don't think porn stars deliver better than an average provider with a good attitude. I usually go for guys that are not too professional but has a good attitude toward this sort of job, ideally he enjoys sex more than being famous or being rich But they are certainly not street beggers or a quickie. Maybe my word muscular led to a wrong impression, I am not looking for body builders but I like guys who go to gym and have a proportional body (no chicken legs or hulks, though). And I never had a difficulty hiring with 100e in most European countries so I started wondering what you guys are doing or how much you are paying. I really thought the going rate in Europe is 100e except for those countries I mentioned...I never reveal information about me, I just contact them via WhatsApp and ask their rates and I was quoted 100 in most of the time but sometimes 120 or 150 but usually they just go back to 100e rather quickly if you refuse them. Unless I really want this particular provider, I never hire someone who lowered his rates because I think they will provide less. So I just say thank you and leave him alone. Also, I don't hire from rentmen or us based websites. If you contact them from their they usually quote 200 or more. Maybe this is why you guys are surprised but in Europe I use hunqz most of the time. Search according to my specifications and check their rate or contact them on WhatsApp and ask for their rates. Again I usually get 100e even when they don't know a thing about me... Rate wise, anything east of Austria is usually less than 100e, the west of Austria is slightly variable. I always find Spain to be particularly cheap, even the top escorts quote 100e, or even less for 30min. Portugal is another less known place for a low rate in my opinion but I stopped going there for job reasons. I even got 50 multiple times and one of them was really good. I hired him quite a few times when I used to go to Portugal. Of course the best place is thermas in Barcelona and even then when I hire them outside they usually quote me 100e. Some asked for 150 but they were well known guys like Junior. I like him and respect how he runs his business (affirmative and always consistent unlike many small minded providers who constantly change their rate and play games) so he was always an exception. But I am also not very demanding in terms of sex. No fetish no bb. I just require the guy to be able to get hard and kiss with tongue. So that could be the reason why they always quoted 100 for me and was always willing to meet with me outside of the sauna.

thanks, I don't know the rates in Paris but I can get those guys for 100e in most of europe, except for maybe London, nordic countries & Switzerland. So I am not in a rush to hire someone in Paris for 2 or 3 times more if the rates are so high. This forum is usually very knowledgeable and resourceful so I just asked in case someone has a lead

Ok it seems like I will have a few trips to Paris and I might go there regularly. I am looking for someone who is a good kisser and muscular, under 30yo. Ideally hourly rate would be 100e. Any recs? Also I tend to like guys who are not well known and discreet but with a good attitude. You can message me privately if that makes you comfortable

haha by reporting my adventures here, maybe I am considered as voracious. then I should stop contributing. Anyway, 100eu or usd for a guy is a very good deal in my opinion but finding that person is difficult in turkey as you can see from my post, whereas in most european market, it is quite easy, no hussle, mostly accurate pictures, and easy to visit or invite etc...

Just an update from my recent trip there. My earlier sentiment is still the same: turkey is not the best place to hire. I visited aquarius sauna twice. The manager is just grumpy as usual, the boys try to charge 100euro in sauna although they are not that attractive. The price should be around 600tl (200 goes to the sauna) but again their attitude and inability to create a good experience make it not worthwhile. Also, with vpn grindr works fine, you can find many profiles there ranging from 50 to 200usd, where most would quote 100. It's fine as long as their pictures are accurate but that is not the case in turkey, which makes the meeting really awkward. I hired one from grindr but apparently he sent fake body and nude pictures (but the face was real, which is odd...) I couldn't get the connection, I think he was just a total bottom who said top because of the money and had a sloppy flat ass (although the picture was a big bubble butt) so our sex went nowhere. Still paid 100 to avoid any issues and uncomfortable confrontation but I am not excited about going there for hiring for sure. Anyway, the food was good and cheap so I wasn't too bad overall. I think turkey is a market for those who don't have access to European market. A lot of gulf men who cannot do things back home come here and spread their oil money and hire like no tomorrow, so that might be the reason why the market is so difficult.

i always pay after, 50 euros. No one in recent history asked for more, but if they do, just smile and move on haha. regarding the health form, I don't think it is required now if you are vaccinated (within 270days) or boostered. Booster does not have any expiry date. I am just not sure if it is good to visit sauna these days because of recent reports here. Sauna works only when there are good boys there

Flying into EU with non-EU airlines is not covered by EC261. As I stated, for EU arrivals, EC261 applies only to EU airlines. For example, if one flies AA into BCN directly and gets delayed, AA has no legal obligation to compensate. For EU departure, Ec261 applies to all airlines, so it doesn't matter if AA or IB. see below: "Remember these are European flight regulations and so only apply to flights departing from an EU airport, or flights landing in the EU with a European airline. " https://www.airhelp.com/en/ec261/ec-261-compensation/

I have flown Iberia business only but the flights were uneventful, so I cannot comment on their ability to sort things out quickly when things go wrong. I hear their customer service is horrible but I never needed to use their cs. So be careful about that. However, their food and wine selection is better than american companies. On a different note, I almost always choose the european airlines over american ones because of EC261. For Eu arrivals EC261 only applies to EU airlines. So I would say I would avoid AA at least for the outbound flight. IB and AA are transatlantic revenue sharing so usually you can choose any airline you want for the same price. IB vs AF: I have never used AF but I actually actively avoided AF: their safety record is not as good as you might think. I can't think of anything good I heard about AF so never wanted to try AF. Plus MAdrid is more fun for hiring than Paris, so there is that.

For me, Turks are very hard to deal with, which makes Turkey far less attractive for this sort of trips. If you speak the language it might be different but most guys will try to charge you more than what you pay in Europe, although it is far less expensive there. I believe that is because escort scene is scarce there. They will use fake photos, they will disappear in the middle, or they will try to rob you or try to charge you more once you meet. What is the worst is that most of them cannot deliver...They don't really understand what it takes to be an escort, they think it is an easy job or low hanging fruit if you are willing to do some anal (top). One time I got myself into a difficult situation: a well advertised escort on hunqz (he is probably still there) came to me and of course, I always explicitly ask if he can kiss with tongue and can get hard before meeting. He didn't wanna kiss after we met and said he had some teeth problems (a lie or at least he should have told me that when I explicitly asked about tongue kiss) and then he recorded me while I am giving a head to him. I confronted him, which he denied but i am 100% sure he recorded me. Unfortunately, you cannot get police involved in this sort of countries, so you are left with far less options. If you talk to expats who live in Turkey, you will realize how hard the boys there are. Anyway, for me it is too much hassle without much pleasant result so I don't really go to Turkey for this sort of things. Turkey itself is a nice country and people are usually friendly (except the taxi drivers but taxi drivers are bad everywhere). For Aquarius, most guys also cannot deliver in cabin, but to me, that is the best option you have if you decide to explore. Don't expect the quality of service you get in Barcelona or Brazil. I also got lucky with a lebanese boy twice and I found him on grindr. I paid but he was very easy to deal with and a good experience in bed, but that was long time ago. Regarding hammams, in the past I was able to explore these places but I hear there are very difficult these days because of Erdogan crackdown. I don't have a first hand experience, so maybe someone else can provide more updated info. Regarding massages, I always wondered why there are no massage places in turkey. They have hammams, and massage is popular everywhere in the world but I couldn't find any massage place in Istanbul. You don't see them on street either...If you happen to find good ones, do let us know.

any recent experience in Istanbul? What is going rate in TL?

thanks very much, he seems a bit skinny for my taste but looks like a nice bottom

do you mind sharing the belarusina guy's hunqz profile here or in a message?

I just returned from a trip to Egypt. It was on my way to my destination, so I decided to add a stopover in Egypt for a week to explore. 1. Markets: It was very hard to arrange anything. Each shop is next to each other and publicly visible so I am not sure how one can just close the shop and do the deeds...Maybe @Santiagodc can enlighten us? 2. Aswan: It is dead if you are looking for a hot young guy. The boat drivers are all old and there are some young (youngish) horse drivers but very limited. Most of them are skinny guys, not very clean and no place to do, so it was somewhat disappointing for me. I was told that the most young guys moved to north (i think they mean Luxor). This is probably because Aswan doesn't attract as many tourists as luxor. There was one guy who was my type. He looked more like a mix of sudanese and egyptian, nice body: slim but toned with curvy black arse. The funny part is that after arriving at Aswan late at night, I decided just to walk on cornich to see the scene, not to do anything because it was late and I was tired after a long trip. But this guy (mixed looking guy) asked me if I wanted a ride while passing by me and I said no because I really didn't wanna deal with price negotiation at that time. He stopped his horse carriage a bit ahead of my direction and started walking toward me and I noticed he was touching his pen!s casually, as if most guys just do it but quite noticeable for me. He asked for me a ride for free and I said no and then i stopped me on cornice and asked me to touch his stuff down there. I was just shocked because it was on cornice so I said no with a smile and looked around. He then took me to his carriage and he sat on the carriage and showed his stuff on street. it was somewhat hidden but quite visible for anyone who would pay attention. he said I can suck him there and I said no but he asked me to sit inside the carriage and he sat in front of me. I asked for his price and he said 200, which is like 5usd so i sat there and he pulled cover over me and gave me his stuff, in the middle of the cornish road. I sucked and he came within a minute. I liked it as an experience because I did it in front of everything on cornish, otherwise it was not worth. He got my number and asked me to come back next day for full sex and I got it. Then he took me to his friend, who was not my type and recommended him. I just refused and went to my hotel. Next day, he said he has a place and if he fucks me he has to pay for the place, that was 400 and plus 200 for the sex, total of 600. I said yes and he took me with his carriage. Guess what, he stopped at a mosque with a big ground around it and jumped over the fence and asked me to do the same and I followed him to the mosque area. In the ground around the mosque, there was a small empty house, which looked like a guard post under construction and he asked me to do the deed inside there. Trash were everything and it was dark and visible from outside but it was dark and no one was around. He fucked me but it was quick. Again I did it for the experience but not the sex was not good. So I didn't meet him again, though he called me almost million times...Next day, it was so hot, so I changed my plan to explore the city and opened up grindr. Very few guys there and I can easily see guys in Luxor...One of them contacted me and sent me his face pictures etc. I was kinda shocked and thought he sent a fake picture but he was good looking, slim toned guy. I asked him if I can invite him to my hotel, he said in egypt it is not possible but he invited me to his place. Well, it was a day, so i took a cab to his place and he was real....I kinda thought there is a possibility of robbing me but it was a day time in a residential area, so I thought I could seek for help easily. He took me upstairs and we did it in an apartment under construction...I don't know how it works but in the same building, some apartments are completed and people live and some are still under construction without windows...And we did it there and he put some blankets on the floor. It was not that bad as a bed but no toilet facility and people could see us because there was no window...But hey, free sex with a decently hot guy, it was totally worth the risk. I think this sex itself made my trip to aswan worthwhile. The rest was boring: boat drivers are grandpa level old, camel riders are extremely ugly and old or a little child. Some hot guys in the market but they didn't have a shop and didn't have an eye contact with me... 3. Luxor. The market had the same issue as 1 and the sellers are more aggressive there. Luxor has a lot more young guys there but the boat drivers were generally older (daddy level oldness, not grandpa). I think this is because I actually saw a lot more tourists in luxor than aswan. One decently looking guy asked me to take his horse ride for 50 EGP for an hour, I said why not. He kept driving me around without any hint of doing the deed, so I was kinda surprised...But after 20min ride, he stopped at a barber shop and another guy jumped into the carriage. Apparently they share the carriage and this hot was just all over me. As soon as he hopped in, he shake hand and kept caressing my hand without releasing...He was too skinny for my taste but he had a charming smile and decent face, so I kept talking to him and I wanted to know how things work in Luxor. He took me to a house (yes a proper house, proper bed, and proper toilet) and we did it there for 400. The most surprising part was that he didn't care about the people in the house. Many people saw us entering and walking around the house and we used one big room with toilet, so I am guessing everyone else there knew what was going on haha. Surprisingly he lasted quite a bit, so I am guessing he is used to it. Anyway, that was fun and he offered me many things and I said i will think about it. Next day, I explored the cornish and market and boat. More or less the same issue. Luxor horse riders are young but mostly skinny guys, so not my type. Boat drivers are older than my preferred type, market guys are hard to close the deal, so I decided to enjoy the touristy stuff. 4. Cairo. I had a very low expectation for Cairo because of this forum information. a. hotel staff: none of them were my type, either old or too skinny. So I decided to go to the gym. I stayed in two hotels in Cairo, both 5* with a proper gym. First hotel had a gym instructor who is kinda hot but he didnt speak english at all. I was the only person there and I wanted to make some conversation via google translate but he didn't give me any hint so I decided not waste my time. Another was Ritz (former Hilton) because I really wanted to see the infamous sauna there. The gym instructor was older than my type, so I went to the sauna. There was a staff there, who seemed to have given me some hint but he was not really my type, so I just enjoyed the sauna. There was a few locals who use the gym but this is the rich and ugly part of the society so i left quickly. The room cleaner was def into this sort of stuff but he was skinny and there were two of them: one old and one young. I wasn't bothered to mess up with them because the young one was too skinny. b. UBER. this is new and I knew some uber drivers do this sorta stuff from my experience in other countries. But i realized that Uber taxi drivers were older or not so fit, so not my type. Then I thought Uber bike!!! I ordered an uber bike for 5 minute ride from my hotel because my purpose was not taking it but to see the driver. guess what, as soon as I confirmed, the driver messaged me and said "you want a bike or an arab?" this was a google translation built in the uber app...I acted like I don't know what it meant and he just said forget about it and started moving toward me. I acted this way because I wanted to see the guy. Uber shows a face picture but not always the same person and you can't see the body. The guy came and he had a nice face but very skinny body so I didn't give any hints. But I think there are a lot opportunities there to explore haha c. Hammam/massage. I love hammams and massage even without sex so I checked some in cairo. I had two hammams and two massage places. One hammam was just bad: they didn't know what they were doing, they only try to sell drinks and very unfriendly reception etc. I didn't get any hints from hammam attendants and I am happy that they didnt because they were ugly and unfit. Another hammam was very diffent: friendly staff thoroughout and didn't bother me so mcuh with drink sales...The interesting part is that the hammam attendant was going a little deeper than usual into my groin area. And his pen!s slight touched me twice...Well he was not fit or toned so I didn't react. I think one could explore it with some caution. Two massage places were the same like the two hammam places: one good and one bad. The bad one was not that bad, the massage therapist was good but just didn't show any hints and didn't go deeper inside my groin or anywhere near for that matter. The good one was such a surprise. He had an excellent massage skill (hard pressure) so I was already happy when he started from my feet. Then as he goes up, he gets deeper inside my legs without any hesitation. I have never had such confident aggressiveness (in a good way!) in a massage. As he was going through my thighs, he touched my balls a couple of times and we went up into my ass and gave me a proper ass massage haha. Then he fingered me without even asking, just as if it was a part of the massage and he kept doing the massage and sometimes the finger gets into my ass...Oh my, this is a pleasant surprise. He went to my back and shoulders but I could fee his penis on my head. When he asked me to turn around, i was just super hard and he would go around and casually touch my hard penis...And I stopped being shy and started touching him and he didn't stop me but he was not hard. He was nto really my type but the experience was so good. Then his phone alarm went off and he stopped immediately and said the time is up. He asked me dress up and leave, even without asking for a tip....Anyway the change room was in a different room, so I left to the change room. I got my bag from the locker and gave him a tip discreetly. That was probably the highlight of Cairo. d. Grindr/tinder: I noticed apps are very active. Grindr probably has more fake profiles but some people had this instagram linked so I think there are some real guys out there. I was just too buy to interact with them and because I cannot bring them to my hotel, I didn't pay much attention to them. If anyone knows a way to solve this accommodation issue, do let me know, I think I will visit Egypt again

I think it's open from 3pm to midnight, unless they extended the time recently. Busy time from 5 to maybe 7pm, after that it slows down significantly. As I replied earlier, I didn't visit thermas on my last trip a few weeks ago because of monkeypox thing and I think it was a smart move. It's one of the riskiest environments at the moment. But Barcelona has many options outside as well. Actually too overwhelming to choose from. The best thing about thermas is that you can try and see who is good for 50e so it's a a good deal but many escorts in the city also offer a 30 min deal for 60 or 70e, though more famous ones don't do that because they are well established. Last time, I tried two: one I knew from the previous time (someone who doesn't go to thermas) and one completely new guy. He was nice but got a little bit of out of shape compared to his pictures. Nonetheless we had fun for 30min but actually it was shorter because I was very horny. He charged 60 or 70, I forgot but definitely not more than 70. It was good because I wouldn't hire him again but for that price range, it is worth the money and now I know I won't hire him.

Can you bring a guy to your hotel without any issues in Egypt?

My experience with the rate was slightly different. I was always quoted 50e even by the top escorts on Hunqz in Thermas. Most don't even talk about the rate and you give 50e afterwards. that could be because they talk very quickly and they know I know the rate. I think Hunqz is a bit more expensive but most latino guys would charge 100e for incalls in Barcelona and they are just so many of them. Telechapero is actually quite good and you can find many for 100e. I am currently in Barcelona and this is going to be my first BCN trip without a visit to Thermas because of monkeypox. I have a lot of family meetings in the coming weeks including my parents and young nephews, so I decided to take the safe route. but I might hire some I know from the previous times but still it is a struggle because they probably go to sauna as well...almost all of my contacts are from Thermas...

thanks for the reports and sharing your tactics. Have you been in Egypt recently, like, this year?

I would say around 5pm to 6pm was most crowded. 3 is early. I usually try to get there around 4 because I don't mind waiting. The rate is still 50 for 30min without release. But I usually don't spend that long as I finish relatively quickly if the provider can get hard immediately and keep it for a while

In dating market yes but when hiring it probably doesn't matter much but I am just one of many poc so I cannot say for others. If you are interested in more personal details feel free to message privately

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