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Looks like a thick one! You are truly enjoying the life haha

What exactly is splash? Nude party to free guys? Seems to indicate that it is free between 11pm and 3am? And what happens to the customers before 11pm who were hiring or being hired 😂 kick them out?

that is good to hear, at least they know their job to make customers interactive with each other, I find it quite nice. I also understand that it is not possible to have sex with everyone but except for Henrique, every interactive boy I reached out to did not refuse me, or for that matter, they were interacting with everyone who reached out to them. Of course, I noticed a trend that the boys spend more time with certain people, maybe because they are the boy's type, so you can't spend 30 mins with an interactive but that was not really my intention either and I hope people did not imply that from my reviews. Certainly there is a limit to this scene but I find quite appealing to me at least and certainly an insane value given the small fee we pay. I usually would hire someone during the day and head out to these shows later at night, so that might be a good use of it. In the end, I really applauded the interactive boys because they were doing it non-stop for a while. For example, the guy at the Upgrade club in SP literally topped anyone who came near him and after one hour, no one wanted to be topped by him and just wanted to watch. It was a very interesting scene and you gotta admire the attitude and stamina of these boys....

yes I was not very confident initially but after the first visit, I became more confident and I wish I was a bit more upfront/confident from my first visit, which had the best quality in terms of guys. I will have a very pond memory of my visit there after christmas and before new years. It was so hot to watch two super sexy guys do things right in front of me and let me touch them while they are doing it... In Rio, I mostly stayed in Airbnbs and one hotel (I forgot its name, it is not an expensive 5 star hotel, but a large mid range 3-4 star hotel with many rooms). The reception did not even ask me if I was expecting someone when my hire came to the room but luckily I had no safety issues. In SP, I stayed at Canopy by Hilton, and Ibis. Both of them allowed guests without any issues. Canopy had a really nice restaurant and one of the escorts said it was one of the well-known restaurants in the area. He seemed like he wanted me to take him to the restaurant, which I would not have minded if he did his job well but he was just ok so I didn't hire him again. Otherwise, it is a nice restaurant to invite someone you want to spoil without going out of the hotel I didn't explore the cruising scene because I had a feeling that I am not into those guys. Hiring online was very reasonably priced and I could always go to interactive shows for some fun so I didn't want to waste my cum or energy on that. Thinking back, I did feel like the guys in SP were a bit older and more diverse in terms of skin tones and looks compared to Rio. Guys in Rio were relatively younger, mostly tanned skin and mostly fit. But my experience in SP interactive shows is very limited...If I go back to Brazil, I will probably spend more time in SP for hiring, although Rio is a lot more fun beyond hiring.

In general I have a very good memory but certainly can't do this after months. I had it written in January when I was on my long flight back to Europe and never really wanted to publish it for some reason but I was going through my flies yesterday to delete unnecessary files from my laptop so I deleted it after putting it here 😂 maybe someone might find it useful but I realize I should have done it earlier.

Compared to the US maybe, but 200-250e is quite high in Europe, London is like 150-250 pounds

Thought on Brazilian market and comparison to Colombia and Barcelona: Overall, I am just very disappointed with the sauna scene in Rio and SP. Of course, it is cheaper but for someone like me who is taking an expensive business class ticket to Brazil from Europe, it really didnt make a lot of sense. Let's say I pay at least 3000 euros to get there, I can hire 20 top escorts in many european cities for that money so I am not sure if going to Brazil is worth...In that regard, Thermas in Barcelona still provides an amazing value: the rate is fixed at 50e and it never changed throughout the whole inflation period. The quality of the guys is not that bad compared to the top guys at 117 nowadays. It is very easy to get there, compared to going to brazil (this is the major part for me but maybe not true to Americans and Aussies). In terms of online hiring, I have to admit that SP has amazing selections. But it comes with its own hassle of online hiring and safety issues of SP etc. To me, I do like colombian guys a bit more look wise, and I find guys in Bogota slightly cheaper and easier to deal with than SP. Overall these two cities are very comparable in my opinion. I like the food scene in Bogota but I like the brazilians' attitude when I meet with guys. One thing stood out a lot is the interactive show. I don't think anywhere in the world can provide this sort of crazy experience. And it happens for a penny! Overall Brazilians have this amazing attitude toward sex and it is amplified in the interactive shows by the boys. The only downside is the quality of the interactive shows is not up to the level of the top guys in SP online market. But that is understandable. Overall, I think I will hold off any future trips to Brazil for a while unless I have a good reason to go there because the sauna scene is really disappointing these days. What do you guys think in terms of your plans and international comparison?

Online, grindr hiring and massage places Because the reas was quite weak and I really wanted to have a good massage this time, I did hire some massages during this time. I usually do not hire massages outside of asia because they just hide under the name of massage so that they don't have to deliver anything good. Well, that was exactly what these massage places were. Some members here said Solaryun Spa in Copacabana was good, so I gave it a try. My therapist was Vinicius, who claimed to be the owner of the place. First I tried the relaxing massage because I really wanted some good massage. But this was one of the worst massages I ever got in my life. If you read their google review, some people said it was the best massage in their life, so I was not expecting this bad quality. Anyway, some people just do not know what a good massage is like...The spa manager seem to respond to google map reviews, and one of the response was that this place is for tantric massage. So I decided to give it a try for the tantric one because I really like Vinicius body. Overall, the massage was better and especially the body to body part but it is just a hand release. There is no oral or kissing or anything. Of course, no penetration. It is 250, so given the massage skill is kinda bad, there is no point in massage but rather the finishing part becomes what it matters. Then I asked myself, I can probably pay for a normal sex with penetration for 250 when I hire online. So why am I paying so much for this half ass experience? Well, that is my conclusion and you should consider that if you want to go there... I also hired some hot guys from garotolocal for massage if they list it on the ad. Usually most seem to do some sort of massage in nude with a lot of touching and the finishing part varies individually, some would do everything but penetration. Most charged 150-250 but there were some outliers like 400 once. Didn't even hire him. Overall, the massage part is always underwhelming but naked hot guy was always the point...I wouldn't waste much time/cum/money for massage thing again in Brazil. I only looked at garotolocal for online hiring for full sex. I probably should have explored more websites. But the quality of guys there is just impressive, all those sexy guys I used to hire at 177 are now online. Overall, SP had a lot more ads and different looking guys where Rio was the second largest but Rio cannot really match SP in terms of the quality, quantity and diversity of SP guys. Of course, there were a lot of traveling GPs and in fact, the ones I liked in Rio were visiting from SP. I usually send the default message that garotolocal generates for WhatsApp from my local sim WhatsApp number. So my guess is that some of them did not know I was a tourist. So maybe I was not getting too touristy prices but over 90% of the guys I contacted quoted me 300 reas. Simple distribution was: 180, 200, 250, 250, many 300s, then 330, 400, 500. There were only one 400 and one 500. The funny part is that the guy who quoted 500 was not the most impressive looking. I contacted him simply because he didn't have a naked picture on the ad, so I was hoping he had a small one...Anyway, from my experience the price rarely reflects the quality of hiring in this business so I was not surprised. I did pay quite a few 300s and they came to my hotel, which allowed guests without any issues. But sometimes they don't even check their id, so I was a bit worried. In Colombia, they checked everyone's id and I had to call the reception before my guests leave so that the reception knows I was ok with the guest leaving. This was a bit awkward but it seems like Colombians know this well and it worked well for my safety. In Rio, I had one completely empty profile on grindr saying I want a GP. Some people contacted, more so in Rio than SP where I had a shorter time. Overall, there were not many I would be interested in hiring from grindr but I got two 150s and one 200 and one 400. I was not really enthusiastic about hiring someone from grindr but all of them were very insistent. The good thing about grindr is that the guys were closer, just a few hundred meters away. I did hire the guy for 200 because he looked quite nice, well built and nice face, tanned and a typical face from Rio. It seems like he was straight, so first he didn't want to kiss but then when he realized he was not getting hard quickly, he just did everything from rimming me to kissing me with tongue. He was about to be topped because he was not getting hard but after a lot of kissing he got hard lol it was fun as an experience but was not a good sex. Then there was a guy who wanted 150 and he came to me right before I left Rio because I was worried his rate was a bit too low. This is because I prepared myself for the sauna and got nothing, so I got a bit desperate and I finally accepted his insistence, he messaged me at the right moment haha. He was around 175cm tall, no fat, or maybe should I say all of his body fat seemed to have come to his ass...Nice round ass but otherwise very tight muscular body with six pack. Amazing kisser but he also rimmed me, sucked me, licked me all over my body. The finale was so good because his balls were slapping my ass as he got harder and harder before I came...The only bad part is that I resisted so long because his rate was so low and I was a bit worried and I was leaving when I finally had this amazing sex...After the sex, we had some nice chat and he was asking about my plans until I leave but the poor guy didn't know I was leaving next morning...I told him I don't know when I will leave but he kept messaging me ever since. If I met with him earlier, I could have hired him everyday for that price lol Well at least I had one nice experience in Rio as a bottom. So in the end, my best bottom experience was from grindr, my best getting rimmed experience was from an interactive boy and my best experience as a top was also with an interactive boy. Where are the sauna boys???

Hole: There was a special event called Hole, Buttercan informed me about this event and apparently very popular (sold out before the event!) and there was an interactive show so I assumed it would be more fun than Taurus. It was held at a larger venue without locker or shower facilities in Centro. But overall it was more like a club with some actions among guys in the corner. There were certainly some hot guys but many of the hot guys wouldn't be involved in sex and the ones involved seem to be interested in other hot guys. The interactive boys were not really my type and the play was somewhat limited and they were taking photos etc. So overall it was not my scene. Black cat: It is a club/bar in Copacabana, which has a dark room and interactive shows time to time. Again, thanks to Buttercan, I learned about this place. They don't have shower or locker, so people were fully clothed. This was not good for playing...Apparently, on the day when they have the show, it has the show at 2AM. It was quite late and I showed up a bit after midnight and had 2 hours to kill because they have a small darkish room on the ground floor with some actions but the guys were not really my type. Most guys were kinda like middle or upper class snobby but not so good looking or fit guys, maybe some tourists who would fall into the same type? Either way, I waited for the show and it happened at 2:30 instead of 2...Brazilian times...This was actually the worst interactive show. One of the interactive boys was Henrique, who would just outright refuse to be touched or interact with many of the guys there. I was bored so I watched/followed him quite a bit and followed him upstairs. I can see he was outright refusing to interact with many of the guys on the way. What is the point if the interactive boy is not interacting? Almost all interactive guys I saw in the past had this amazing attitude but not this one...After the interactive show, the dark room upstairs opened up. It has two rooms, not completely dark unless you go into the corner of the second room. But the guys on that night were very aggressive. One guy was just following me all night even though I made it clear that I was not into him. When I watching Henrique topping a guy, I was standing next to him. This stalker guy grabbed my hand and put it on Henrique's ass. But then Henrique took my hand off, maybe he didn't like it. This would be absolutely ok with the other interactive boys. Either way, not big deal. Then I went around and there was a small young guy with a nice ass, so I touched him and he reciprocated and started sucking me. He was not a good sucker so I put the condom and started topping him. Guess what, the stalker guy who was following me was next to me and he pulled my dick out. Huh??? I was not happy about this incident so I just left because there was literally no one interesting in the crowd. I never returned to this place again.

Rio Taurus: I found some info from this forum about Taurus and I wanted to try it out. Now that I have been to Upgrade club, I was more confident and understood the system. After my disappointing experience at 117, I explored my options online on garotolocal. I found one guy of my liking and asked his rate over whatsapp. He said 300, so I invited him to my hotel. The sex was ok so i didnt repeat him later. Then I tried a massage guy from garotolocal. He charged only 100 for normal massage and 150 for sensual, which meant he would be naked with hand release. For 150, it was worth trying so i went for the sensual one. Overall the massage was ok, not too bad, but he just kept talking during the whole time: he broke up with his boyfriend and he works at a restaurant etc. He even asked if I was single and whether he should quit his job. Well it was annoying because I didn't care about his life and had no interest in meeting him again. He asked my age and then he said his ex was around my age...I felt like he was implying something but I just wanted to be out but he definitely wanted to make me happy before I left, so I got a hand release. So this is my second time finishing before going to Taurus. I rested that night, partially because I needed to recharge but also because it was raining. I arrived at Taurus a bit after midnight but I was told that the next show was at 1:30am, and the previous show is just ending. They had 6 interactive boys that day, so I didn't know they had 3 different shows with 2 boys each. They asked me if I wanted a locker, which is 5 reas. One should get it because this place is more like sauna without sauna, where most guys will in underwear or naked. The first floor is the bar, and this is where they start the show and the boys will move to the second floor after a few minutes of the show. The second floor has dark room in a sequence, the darker when you go further inside. There are some private cabins as well. One cabin with glass on the side so you can see what is happening. Great for voyeurism. The condoms are available at the bar and most people here were either naked or only on underwear. There is one small (and nasty) shower on the second floor but toilet stands all have water guns next to it, so it is easier to clean my front. Anyway, I had some time before the show so I went up to the second floor. This is after christmas and before new years, and it is important to note that because I realized that the quality of guys vary based on the timing. I think a lot of hot visitors were there because the quality of the guys were worse after the new years. As a matter of fact, one of the hottest guys was from SP because I saw his profile on grindr. He was noticeable because of good looking face and tall and well built body. He was not very active but roamed around, so I just assumed he wouldn't be into me. He is like one of the GPs that used to come to 117 before covid. Then there was another really hot guy showed up, a bit drunk and i can see a lot of guys were trying their luck with him, he didn't seem to be interested but he didn't show any unpleasant attitude toward them in a way that he would let them touch him but not interact and just walk around when he feels it is too much. I noticed this after a few times going to the dark room places: Brazilians are quite welcoming and don't really mind being touched or watched, at least in this sort of setting. Anywhere else in the world, I would assume guys like him would be pissed or a bit aggressive toward the people who they are into. They tend to show unpleasant facial or body language when someone who is not their type would touch them etc. But Brazilians seem to be just ok but they do have a limit and cuts it nicely when they are not into them. A lot more pleasant way of saying no. Anyway, interestingly the two hot guys mingled when they find each other, which made sense but they were doing it in a corner, so I watched them right next to them. They didn't mind and someone else came and he started touching them, and they were ok, so I touched them as well. They were ok but they didn't really reach out to anyone else who was watching. Then another aggressive guy came and starting disrupting them so they went into a cabin. They kinda reminded of the guys I could hire at 117 before and they still do exist in Brazil but not at the saunas anymore. I was hoping one of them would show up at 117 next day but hell no! They both left before the interactive show so I was kinda sad. Anyway, then there was the announcement and the interactive show started. I really liked one of the guys, he was a bottom. When they went upstairs I was right next to this bottom. Some people started getting sucked and I was just watching as I was not sure if I would be up for topping him after two finishes earlier in the day. But he reached out to me and started kissing me. Then he went to suck someone next to me, so I started rimming his ass, which was really nice. Then I started watching him sucking another guy next to me, he reached out to my pants and pulled it down and started sucking me. And I got hard easily, then he let me fuck him (I had a condom but most guys were doing it raw). When I was topping him, the guy next to him and me started sucking my nipples and there was another guy on my left who kissed me in the lips and my hand reached out to his ass, which was really muscular and round. Both of these guys were around 30-40 I would say, one was quite fit and the other was not so fit but not fat either. Not someone I would pay for sure but for free sex it was amazing to have a nipple play and kissing and fucking all at once. Someone else was grabbing my ass but I don't really know who he was and I didn't really care. I came quite quickly and stopped and went to clean myself and the rest kept playing all together without me. I think this is the part I really like about the interactive shows because the interactive boys usually connect people and make them do things together. After cleaning myself and having a drink, I went up again just to see and everyone was playing with everyone. It was quite a night. I noticed there was a new hot guy showed up. He really liked watching this black guy topping someone and started touching the black guy's balls etc. When the black guy finished it, he looked around and stood next to me and starting jerking off. These kinda guys are never into me, so I wasn't sure if it meant anything but I knew one thing for sure. I wasn't gonna get hard at this point to satisfy him. Anyway, while I was thinking about too many things about this guy, the same black guy came back and stood on the other side of him. They started touching each other and the black guy wanted to fuck him but he seemed to indicate it is too big for him. So the black guy went away and the hot guy went into the last section of the dark room, which is the darkest and this is where everything happens without really knowing who you are playing with. I followed him not to lose track of him in the dark area. He just went in and started fucking randomly, which was quite shocking given that he was so hot, like GP at 117 before covid hot. Whenever he fucked someone, I stood next to him and touched his ass, which was really nice round and muscular and he didn't seem to mind at all. Anyway, I realized that I was not get hard again, which was a disappointment so I decided to call it a day. When I left it was around 2:20AM and the interactive boys were still in the main room...I don't know how they can take it...Either way, it was such a fun night overall. I visited Taurus again multiple times after the new years and sadly I noticed a decline in the quality of guys and I attributed to the new year's crowd that came to RIO. In my second visit, I visited earlier because the hot guys came and left before the show in my first visit. There were a couple of decent guys in their 20s but mostly over 30. So I went into the last section where all the things happen. There were two tall and fit guys. I have no idea how old they were but they didn't have any belly and had quite a fit body, both very tall. They were fucking each other, so I stood next to them and started touching the top's ass, which was nice. Then he started kissing me and grabbing my dick and then pushed me to the front of the bottom so he could suck me, and the bottom did suck me. I kinda liked how obedient the bottom was. Then he turned the bottom around and wanted me to top him, so I put a condom and started topping him. He got sucked by the bottom and started kissing me. After that I didn't feel much because it was so loose and pulled my dick and then he started topping him and pulled me to his backside. I kinda understood he wanted me to top him, so I tried to put it in, which was a bit difficult because it was so tight. But mine eventually went in and after a while he stopped me as I was getting faster. It seemed like it was a bit too much for him, and he started kissing me. Then I felt like there is nothing to do there and tried to walk out but there was someone short and I touched his body, it was fit and had a nice around ass, so before pulling out the condom, I tried to put my dick into ass, he just let me do that. It was kinda funny because he had no idea who I was. I topped him for a while and I didn't like it anymore, so I pulled out and left to downstairs. After a quick drink, I went up and I noticed a guy in his early 20s standing around the entrance where the light can show his face. Curly brown hair, pale skin, I was not sure if he was a tourist or Brazilian. Either way, he had a nice body, so I was not sure if he would be into me. But at this point, I became a lot more confident and stood next to him. He was already jerking off, so I touched his dick a bit and then he touched mine. Then I grabbed his ass, which was quite big and round. I got hard and he wanted me to top him. So I did. This time I enjoyed it quite a lot and I was like an energizer bunny and I came in the condom. Then he asked me something in Portuguese, which I had no idea about, so I smiled and left. I went downstairs and rested a bit and came up again. The same guys I played with were not there anymore and I wasn't into anyone there. So I went down to wait for the show, which was just ok because the interactive guys were not as nice as their pictures. Given that no one hot was there, I just left as soon as the boys went upstairs. My third visit to Taurus probably had the worst quality: mostly guys in their 30s with some skinny guys in their 20s. There were 6 interactive guys planned for that night, so learning from my mistake during my first visit, I went there early, around 10PM, assuming that I can have at least two shows. But I was wrong, they had only one show at 1:30AM with three boys and I don't know when they had the other show. Must be before 10PM. It was a long wait without much fun so I was not very happy. I was bored so I wanted to check their boys schedule, which was by the entrance and I noticed one black guy showed up and stayed around the door. When I got closer to the door, I could see him clearly and he had a really nice face, overall tall and fit, maybe in his late 20s. He looked at me and there was a moment we had an eye contact. I briefly suspected maybe he was into me? Either way, I am usually shy so I didn't do anything but checked the board and came back to the bar area. He then went to the bathroom, which is next to the locker, so I passed by him. We had an eye contact again, this time I was more sure that he was interested, yet I didn't know what to do. So I went around the toilet and locker area, he was peeing and again had an eye contact. He then washed his hand and I was standing in the area. He looked at me in the mirror and came to me and said ola or something, and I replied with Ola, then he smiled and said a lot in Portuguese, which I assumed that he thought I spoke Portuguese. I said no Portuguese and he looked a bit disappointed and said his English was not good. I said no problem and then he just kissed me and we had a really nice kiss. Then he took me upstairs to a cabin and he literally licked all over my body, including dick and anus. Then he wanted to top me but he was too thick so unfortunately, we ended it there. Soon after the show started and I watched them, but it was just ok. So I decided to leave but on my way to the locker, I saw the same black guy topping short young bottom, so I stood next to him and started kissing him and the bottom started sucking me. After a while another guy came, who was not my type but we had this triangle kissing. Again, Brazilian kisses are the most passionate I would say. Anyway, I came and promptly left. Overall I had a lot of fun at Taurus and I really liked this place.

Now the fun part! Darkroom interactive shows Sp: Hot club: There is a thread about Hot club on this forum, some members really enjoyed this club so I was so eager to visit, because, from my reading, the experience must be quite good. But I was so disappointed and I did reply on that thread as well. My understanding from the posts was that I would be allowed to play with the interactive boys in the darkroom and it is busy with many customers. When I visited Hot club, I was the only customer...Hello, am I too lucky because I can have the interactive boy for myself or am I too unlucky because it is not what I thought it would be? Well it was the latter. The interactive boy sat with me for an hour to chat. Through translator!!! Yes this guy liked me so much because he got a lot of free tips for investment but I didn't get anything. Out of patience, I asked where the dark room is, he showed me around and showed his dick in the dark room and that was it. We came back to my table and talked about investment again I don't really mind giving investment information to GPs as I hope they find financial independence at certain point because they can do this job only while they are young. But I want my service too. He said his shift is ending at midnight so he left at midnight and a Go-go boy came to me and sat with me. I asked again how it works, what the interactive boy means etc. He said he can be my interactive boy for 300. I just laughed and left. Anyway, the bar and cashier guys do not speak any english, they just charged me the full price including the (unlimited?) drinks without even asking so overall I felt like I went right into the tourist trap...What a great way to start my dark room experience... Upgrade club: After my awful experience at Hot club, I was not gonna give up because I needed to experience it fully. Well because Upgrade club had 10 interactive boys at a night! So I visited Upgrade club on that day. The reception at the Upgrade club was friendlier and did speak enough english. I think I got a locker key and put my clothes in the locker but I was in my underwear. My intention was to watch and learn, not to be part of the game. Initially, I see guys in the darkroom are playing but i had no idea which ones are the interactive boys but most looked a bit older, so I was just watching. Then a guy who was ok (in his 30s, more white looking brazilian, not fat but not fit either but overall balanced body) started touching me and then it went on, He was sucking me and licking me everywhere and kissing. One thing i really like about brazilians is that they kiss very passionately with a lot of tongue involved, and he was a typical. Anyway, after a while there was an announcement in Portuguese and everybody moved to the bar area so I followed. So all 10 boys showed up and started taking off their underwear and getting hard and everything. After a few minutes of dances and playing with each other, I can see customers got involved and it became more of customers vs boys in the bar area. Then they moved to the dark room. All of them had the santa hat so it was easy to spot them. One of them was my type, so I followed him but I was not brave enough to act because it was my first interactive show. One thing that surprised me so much was everything was BB...He was fucking whoever comes without protection and I didn't wanna be a part of it. But I gradually loosened up and started touching him while he was being sucked or fucking and then all of sudden he just grabbed my neck and he kissed me, and it was a good one. This gave me a lot of confidence. After a while, he wanted me to suck him but I am not a big fan of sucking, so I smiled and said no. Then he turned me around and started rimming my ass. He was really good and it is quite rare that GPs rim asses. Then he wanted to top me raw in front of everyone and I said no and I told him that I will find him on Instagram and contact him and he nodded and moved to top someone else. It was a bit crazy because he was literally fucking everyone who comes nearby. And after a while there was no one who was willing to be fucked, most wanted to watch. This was quite funny because the customers got tired of being fucked haha Anyway I moved around a bit and there were a lot of fucking everywhere. And there was another interactive boy, who had a nice body but I don't remember his face or could not see it clearly. When I was standing nearby and watching him, he reached out to my penis and eventually started sucking. At this point, I understood the game better and there were some condoms provided by the venue so I kept some with me just in case. Well, the case actually happened because I wanted to top him and I had my condoms so I did. I really liked the overall atmosphere there and in this scenario I don't mind being the top, although when I hire, I tend to bottom. I left after this. Overall amazing experience.

My recent trips to sauna 117 have been a mixed bag. While I used to rave about the place, my experiences this time around were less than stellar. I visited five times, but even on a Tuesday (supposedly their less busy night), the quality wasn't what it used to be. The biggest difference? The guys. While previously I found a plethora of attractive men, this time, the selection felt limited and less diverse. Many seemed older, and the overall attractiveness had diminished. When I visited 117 for the first time (long time ago), I wondered why anyone would go there if they had access to Thermas in Barcelona, considering the cost isn't substantially less when you include the suite fee. Adjusting for the trip cost, it can add up even more. Some members explained that the quality of the boys is different. I agreed because the quality was much better than Thermas. Unfortunately, that can't be said now. The guys who go to 117 nowadays are somewhat okay or good-looking but not like the ones I used to die for. Tuesdays at 117 these days still have better quality than Thermas weekend but not by a large margin it used to have. Back in the day, I always felt like a kid in a candy store: "Oh my god, I want to get this guy for sure!" Nowadays, it's more like, "Okay, good-looking and sexy, but should I get this guy? Or maybe that one is better? No, he has an ugly face," etc. I realized I had a lot less excitement when I walked around the sauna these days. What I miss the most is that there used to be multiple good-looking guys in a night: tall and nicely built, and easy to interact with. At least a half of them gave me an amazing experience in the suite. Except for one or two cases, most guys were giving me 100 BRL as their initial price in the sauna back then. What's more interesting is that those sexy guys were interested in coming to my hotel regularly for a little more, so I guess I wasn't underpaying, even though I used to wonder how they could come again and again for such a low price. I wasn't (and still am not) a very demanding customer overall, as long as the guy can kiss well and get hard so that might be the reason they wanted regular with them. Anyway, some fond memories. Back to this trip. The first thing I noticed was the lack of diversity in the pool in terms of skin tones, (sizes,) and looks. Yes, some muscled guys are there, some tall and a few skinny, but if I were to summarize them by two keywords: tanned and hung. The differences are in body shape and face. In my book, Brazilians are not the best-looking ones when it comes to face, but overall, I felt like the guys got uglier and older compared to before. For me, I was able to get similar guys in the dark room quite easily, so I was not very willing to pay high prices in the sauna. If you like tanned, hung guys, I think 117 is still a good place to go. Maybe...maybe not. Maybe not because I did have a bit of difficulty interacting with the boys. My first guy said he wanted 500 BRL, but he did say it is full service; I guess he meant finishing off. Either way, I didn't like it, so I said no. He didn't even try to negotiate, so I thought maybe he is getting that kind of rate from others. Look-wise, he was not tall, not that handsome in my opinion, but this is hugely subjective. He didn't have the best body either, so the only explanation is that he thinks I am a stupid tourist and played with me. Either way, it was not really important as I didn't feel like missing out by putting him on my "virtual block list." I do it from time to time when I am annoyed 😂. I don't talk to them again once they are on the list. The second guy was Emanuel, a tall, fit guy. He had been smiling at me all the time and touching me when he passed by, so I talked to him. His tool might be too big for me, but I didn't mind just having soft fun, so I told him so. He said he wants 300 BRL, and I said I am happy to pay 200 BRL, but he said, "Oh, I usually charge 500 BRL, but because you want only vanilla sex, I give you a discount at 300 BRL." I knew this was a BS. I didn't feel the urge, so I said, "Enjoy the night." I see he can get busy, so I was not going to hassle with his valuable time, but I didn't put him on my block list 😂. This was before New Year's. We didn't talk even though we ran into each other a couple of times. But I did pay attention to his activities, just out of curiosity and boredom in the sauna. He seems to target tourists exclusively, even though he has zero English. Always on translator 😂. He did have a couple of customers before New Year's, but after New Year's, it seemed like it slowed down, and he was smiling and winking at me again, but he didn't talk to me, except just come and stand next to me. Either way, I didn't want to go over the stupid price discussion again unless he came to me and said let's go for 200 I proposed, so I didn't initiate the conversation again either. So nothing really happened. I also saw some canadaian touriests payed 300 BRL, but the guy he hired didn't accept it and started arguing. Not sure what the issue was, but it was funny because he paid the hefty price as a clueless tourist, yet he got himself in more trouble. These things do not leave a good impression on visitors, which can be the reason why some might not be very tempted to come back again. Another was Rafael, a straight top introduced to me by Buttercan, who kindly helped me with a lot of information during this visit. I planned to hire him later in the day, but he got busy, and I left a bit early after my first hire. The next time he came to the sauna, I was about to leave for a meeting. It wasn't a good day because the options were limited, but I came prepared and was fasting, so I was quite hungry, which makes me easily annoyed. Instead of leaving empty-handed, I thought I could try him out and have at least one regular hire if I liked him. My reservation was that he was straight and didn't kiss passionately, but the only way to know was to hire him. He said he wanted to have a session after 30 minutes, but I was in a rush to leave, so I said now or next time. He agreed to now. As usual, I asked him how much he wanted, and he said 300 BRL. This was a bit of a turn-off because I could get a much better deal by hiring someone online, considering I would be paying the suite cost and was in a rush. Those thoughts crossed my mind, and I said sorry, no. I left for the locker, but he asked again if I wanted or not when I was in the locker right after that discussion, and I said sorry, no. I mean, I did say no upstairs, why ask again? Maybe he wanted to update his price, but he didn't say so, just asked if I wanted or not. Anyway, he never talked to me again after that, even though we ran into each other multiple times in my subsequent visits to 117. I could see he actively avoided eye contact with me 😂. What gives? It didn't work out mostly because he wanted to play a game, which didn't work out, but come on. Even when I don't hire, other escorts do not give an unpleasant face in the sauna. I find it a bit childish. Anyway, on a busy Tuesday after New Year's, I noticed he didn't have any clients until 10:20PM when I left. I guess that is also karma... But I did hire some gps this time, mostly a bit reluctantly because I wanted someone hotter in sauna yet I am happy to pay 200 even just trying out just because it is still relatively cheap. I mean I paid so much money to come here, so I needed to hire...A few experiences that I had were just ok. One was just struggling to get fully hard but he did have a nice attitude and was trying hard, so I was not bothered. Another one was not really a good match in sex. They both wanted to repeat but no point in repeating not so great experiences. If you remember my first encounter at 117, who was virtually blocked by me, he came to me again after New Year's and started touching and kissing me. This time, I was a bit mean; I probably shouldn't have been. I said, "You thought I was a stupid tourist," and he said no. I replied, "That's why you wanted 500 from me last time." He didn't respond but kept kissing and touching me. Well, this guy has some balls...at least he doesn't have a big ego like some other GPs here. I still didn't want to hire him or renegotiate the rates because he wasn't that sexy but he was part of the reason why I didn't enjoy the sauna experience this time so I guess I said something mean to him. When I visited during the busy Christmas and New Year's time many years ago, I didn't have this much hassle from the GPs. Maybe I'm missing some reason why they try to charge a lot more now compared to the past, but as I showed in the beginning, the rates should not be higher than 200 BRL even if we swallow the exchange rate or inflation arguments. So, I do believe that the GPs are getting a better deal, but the quality has declined significantly, and I had to go through stupid price negotiations all the time now. Ultimately, my recent trips to 117 confirmed my suspicions that the sauna's quality has declined. The prices have increased, while the quality of the men has decreased. While some attractive men remain, the overall experience is no longer what it once was. I'm left with a sense of closure, accepting that 117 is no longer the same place it used to be.

RIO 202 My first visit was at point 202 during the pre-Christmas days. I arrived around 4:30 PM, which was too early, and it was empty. I didn't realize it starts later these days. Anyway, the first boy I liked was Bruno, a short guy with paler skin. His tool was too thick for me, and I had no interest in topping him for money, but I asked for his price for my market study. He quoted 200 BRL with a question mark on the translator, so I assumed he was willing to negotiate. I wasn't planning to engage with him right away but thought I might hire him later. I told him maybe I would do it later when I am used to smaller ones, but he showed an annoyed face and said everyone in the sauna has the same or bigger than him. I didn't like his attitude, so I never approached him again, and he didn't approach me either 😂. I'm not sure if this is good business etiquette, but I guess he is just young. To my surprise, I saw the same Matheus from São Paulo show up later at night, but he didn't greet me, so I wasn't bothered to talk to him again. I followed his movements in the sauna all night out of boredom since I was just sitting around and checking everyone. He didn't get any customers that night, and we left around the same time. I saw him five times overall during this trip. If he had impressed me in São Paulo, he could have earned 750-1000 BRL from me, but I guess everyone has their own way of doing business. I felt like he could have been smarter with his approach to clients, but who am I to judge? I left a sauna again without hiring and I was not happy about it because I prepared myself to bottom and it is quite annoying if I prepare for nothing.... overall I visited 202 five times during this trip including two on Wednesday, free suites day when it gets packed. I hired only one guy simply because he just teased me so much in the steam room by kissing and licking me and letting me touch his ass and dick. He had a nice body, not the best face but given his kissing skill I was happy to reward him. He wanted 200 and I said ok because for his effort it sounded reasonable. He actually even came and I didn't ask for it. But he was happy and thanked me and kissed me nicely when I paid. No fuzz about cumming/finishing etc. I was a bit surprised because it was relatively early in the evening... In terms of the boys, I knew 202 didn't have the boys I like. Most of them are short and skinny, street looking boys. But in my previous visits I had some luck so I kinda wanted to check it out. In the end the damage is 75 with a sauna at the end 😂 That is what I thought but after 5 times, I realized the damage was more than one online hiring...Oh well...

Lagoa in SP: This was the first sauna I visited in Brazil on this trip, so I wanted to get a sense of the price range. Based on inflation data, 100 BRL in 2017 equates to 146 BRL in 2024. Alternatively, 100 BRL was about 30 USD in 2017, which translates to around 180 BRL today. I estimated the current rate to be between 150–180 BRL, but I knew it wouldn’t be that simple, so I asked around first. 😂 My first conversation was more of a market study than an actual hiring attempt. The guy approached me first—above average for the day but not my type. He quoted 200 BRL, I thanked him and walked away, but he kept chasing me down. That made me assume the rate was lower, probably around 150 BRL. The second guy, Matheus or something, was someone I was actually interested in hiring. Curly hair, toned but not overly muscular, tight body, nice ass—average height and size. He also quoted 200 BRL, and assuming the rate was lower, I politely declined, expecting some negotiation. He simply said “okay” and left. No big deal, as he wasn’t exactly my ideal type. Later, I found out he charges 250 BRL online for full service in São Paulo, which suggests he had inflated his rate for the sauna. Given the suite fee, hiring him online might have been a better deal. There were no other interesting options, so I left. As for the setting, the place had endless stairs, and the sauna's shower was right next to the bar, fully visible to everyone. I hated both aspects. Given that most clients here seem older, did they really not consider how impractical all those stairs would be?

In this series, I'll review saunas, dark room clubs with interactive boys, and online hiring based on my trip in December 2024 and January 2025. I'll also share a brief comparison of Brazil with other countries and my thoughts on Brazilian saunas. I hesitated to write this because it’s lengthy, and some forum members can be difficult when my views differ from theirs. Still, I believe truthful information is valuable, allowing readers to filter what matters to them. So take whatever valuable to you and ignore the rest! For some reason, many here never disclose sauna or online hiring costs. Whether this is because regulars pay less and prefer to keep rates private or for another reason, I'm unsure. Knowing the standard rates beforehand would have made my trip more efficient, as I spent time updating them myself—something I'll reveal here. Since this isn’t common on the forum, it was another reason for my hesitation. In my daytime work, I evaluate markets, so much of my thinking reflects those professional habits. Keep that in mind as you read the following posts

If you want to hire probably hunqz is your best bet but it is really tiring to hire from online sites. Also, Paris is one of the most expensive places to hire in Europe, very close to the cost of London these days. Bringing guys to hotel should not be a problem in terms of safety if you are staying in a good hotel with security officers. You can just call the security and they will work for you. And there is no sauna with rent boys I know of.

What do you want to know? I have been to both in the last 6 months. Lagoa is not what it used to be but I guess you know that unless your 8 times were in a distant past. I don't find the guys there as attractive as before, actually struggled to find a guy who can be good: nice body, decent face. Also the price is not set so you have to negotiate and unless you are a regular there, I find the guys at Lagoa can be a bit difficult but I don't like price haggling so I might be biased. But I remember the guys were so sexy yet quite easy to deal with precovid but in my recent trip I really struggled with the guys there. Because you have to pay for the room at Lagoa the overall price per hire gets very close to 50 euro including the room cost. I don't find the guys there to be far better than guys at thermas in Barcelona so overall there is no cost or beauty advantage for Lagoa. Guys at thermas could be as sexy as Lagoa on weekend or Wednesday, but it also has slightly more diverse crowd: some other Latinos like many Colombians these days and one Spanish is almost always guaranteed these days ( he is really good!) and some Africans as well. I rarely see eastern Europeans anymore. But all charge 50e without discussion or if you just insist everyone will do it for 50e. A lot easier for someone like me who doesn't like to negotiate. On the other hand, hotels in Barcelona are insanely expensive these days compared to hotels in Brazil. So there is that. For me, flying into Barcelona is quite cheap compared to Brazil so overall Barcelona works out quite well for me. I rarely hire from Internet in Barcelona but I find the online guys in SP are just on their own league in terms of looks and quite reasonably priced if you ask them via local Whatsapp number. You know those 10/10 guys who used to frequent saunas are mostly online and easy to hire in SP. They are just stunning. When I hired them in December to January this year, many would ask only 300 reas, and some 400 but quite a few for 200-250 reas as well. Note that the price is not related to their look, not to mention the quality of the deed is completely unrelated to the price they charge from my experience. But you won't find these amazing looking guys in thermas or Barcelona. Barcelona is a lot safer and you don't have to worry about your safety but I can't say the same for SP. For visitors like us, Barcelona or Spain gives a lot more protection than Brazil because most escorts in Spain are outsides who cannot afford to be involved with police so they don't do anything sketchy. But you never know what happens when you hire someone from online in SP. There is always some risk. Finally I find Brazil to be a very interesting place for parties. They have some crazy events, like the ones discussed in this forum where anyone can play with the guest boys without paying additionally. I was thinking about writing my trip reviews about Brazil but got lazy but maybe I should write one so people can compare. Anyway if you have any particular questions don't hesitate to ask, I just gave a general idea to compare

Thanks, I read the Google map reviews before, and now this website. Both are helpful but I still don't get the overall structure and how it goes. I am guessing there is no blog review or any user here posted a review on this forum or similar.... I am sure many have gone but just lazy to post a full review, which reminds me of writing full reviews for my recent Brazil trip so that others can benefit...

Thanks, I read the Google map reviews before, and now this website. Both are helpful but I still don't get the overall structure and how it goes. I am guessing there is no blog review or any user here posted a review on this forum or similar.... I am sure many have gone but just lazy to post a full review, which reminds me of writing full reviews for my recent Brazil trip so that others can benefit...

Thanks, I read the Google map reviews before, and now this website. Both are helpful but I still don't get the overall structure and how it goes. I am guessing there is no blog review or any user here posted a review on this forum or similar.... I am sure many have gone but just lazy to post a full review, which reminds me of writing full reviews for my recent Brazil trip so that others can benefit...

Of course I searched. Event info is there but no reviews... Anyway it is fine

Where can I see the reviews?

I had far too many guys wanting to bb with me there but I was the one who wasn't interested. I am not sure if this was the same experience with the others on this forum but unless I ask them to bring condoms, nearly all of them don't even bother to bring condoms to the cabin. With some regulars, they even actively ask me if I want to do it BB this time... Even with prep the chances are not zero for hiv and I want to keep myself hiv and help c free for the rest of my life. Many of the guys in the sauna grow up in developing countries where help c is very common so I try to stay away from bb with them. In my recent trip to Brazil, literally 90% of sex in the club, dark room was bb...it is a bit insane... In the end whether it is BB or with condom I realized it's my brain that triggers the difference, but the actual feeling is not much different. Once, I thought I had a BB with someone I knew well and met regularly with prep and just thinking it was bb because that's what we discussed and prepped, I felt it so nice but after the sex I realized it was with condom because he was not comfortable without tell me 😂 another incident when I was topping, I actually did it BB but it was not better than with condom so these days my willingness to do it BB is even far less than before. These days I try to have sex with someone who actually gives me a good feeling even with condoms

What's it like inside? What are the settings like inside? Club dance room and play room separately? Live sex shows? More like crazy Brazilian clubs with dark room? Also what is the crowd like?

In Agadir, I had one amazing sex outside 😂 the guy was local and quite fit, tall. We chatted over Grindr and he picked me up from my hotel and we went to the secluded area and did it outside behind the bushes on the beach. It was so hot... Also I went to one of the hammams in Agadir, the guy was so hot but I was not sure if he was open to more, I just froze.... Later from the people on Grindr I was told that he was actually up for fun...I was so sad to learn it later