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Hahaha, you can obviously see past subtlety ... the things you can do with a vintage Calvados. I wonder if it was apple or pear, extending the previous orchard peach motif. It reminds me of the Brazilian stud this past March who must douche with Gatorade. He tasted like an Oklahoma State Fair all-day pinwheel lollipop.

Good, thanks. From divoc and my CDN graph sources one can quickly see that South Africa has just overtaken USA and Brazil in new case incidence, the surge is awfully exponential, and they are about to get slaughtered. Nothing to do with Prague (apologies).

To look at USA states individually or collectively I view the site 91-divoc ... Covid-19 backwards. It also presents countries but I do not think you can get any one state on the same graph as a country or cluster of countries.

OMG, it is complicated to get to these interactive graphs. It is thru a major Canadian television network and I use it because it lists every Canadian province as well as almost every nation in the world, enabling for example a comparison of Quebec and Belgium that had very similar prevalence trajectories. I google “ctv covid charts”, click on the ‘compare Canada and other key nations’ (not the ‘track cases Canada’), and click on the blue link ‘view interactive graphs’ to get various graph configurations, with cluster comparisons of up to 5 zones (where zones are key nations alphabetically and each province/territory listed at the end of the country drop-down menu). This link might work but I don’t know if it will auto-update each day the same way as accessing it thru the above method: https://www.ctvnews.ca/health/coronavirus/covid-19-curves-compare-canada-and-other-key-nations-1.4881500

The reason Portugal has not been centred out in spite of the same case trend as Serbia may be Serbia’s proximity to Montenegro where some spillover from case surge might be expected. Unlike Sweden, Belgium’s incidence trend has satisfactorily met the cut-off point for some time.

It is a challenge to keep up with ever-changing rules and apparent inconsistencies. For example, Serbia and Montenegro just red-listed by Czech Republic, but not Portugal even though it has been 3X over the basic EU daily 1.14 pop-adjusted cut-off for new cases for some time.

But leaving one’s bicycle bag outside with the locked up bicycle? Fou.

Final PS: The requirement to leave the country (I touched on above) seems to apply to expired resident permits, not so much related to tourist travel.

PS: I think this is the pertinent section for Americans. It does not look favourable and I would interpret this as not being exempt from the ban even if being in a green zone country for 2 weeks ahead of time.

I don’t know if this attachment is helpful. The travel website kayak tries to keep every country’s policy updated and often provides leads as to where to search. ...https://www.mvcr.cz/mvcren/article/coronavirus-information-of-moi.aspx At first glance, in one section, it appears that CzRep intends that all or most foreign nationals (not on the allowed country list?) leave by this weekend or possibly face arrest. But in another section it is implied that application for entry may be allowed as long as you have not been in a restricted country in the past 14 days; in other words, if you were to be in a neighbouring nation contingent on that nation’s testing protocol for at least two weeks (eg Germany, UK?) prior to enter CzRep it might fly? Anyhow, a lot of detailed reading and ‘red tape’ to put together an impression of what is possible or not.

No I did not catch that wine bottle detail.

The sequel to CMBYN was published 8 months ago but I just read it now. Find Me. It is not in 1st person Elio narration. The 15-year and 20-year epilogues were woven in reasonably well but what seemed a little strange is that Aciman departed from the initial base time frames, ie, summer of love ‘83 (consistent with track song Lady Lady Lady in the film). Unless this was unintentional or missed by editors the only reasons I could think of were to somewhat reference modern mobile phone etiquette (as in one passage) or to bypass the height of the AIDS epidemic. The initial Italian summer was referenced as having been a few decades back from the latest historical time point in the new novel but would essentially have been in the 21st century as opposed to the New Wave era. My sense is that the book cannot be easily coaxed into a screenplay that would have sufficient coherence with its predecessor or the ages of the film actors playing the characters featured in both books.

Pardon me. Olimpo never did re-open. Belo Horizonte in fact rolled back the lifting of measures and reinstated essential services model.

Olimpo in BHz is already open with similar conditions described. I’m not looking up any more. Perhaps a thread covering all the places in all the relevant cities is preferred by some.

I’m assuming tomcal began yet a new related topic with the intention of sharing opening notices, but that commentary about risk remain within previous threads. But I gather it is OK to add basic info, like other venues ... Lagoa in São Paulo, etc

The presence of antibodies is at a percentage in the Southeast not much greater compared to the infection case tally in Rio de Janeiro state. That doesn’t add up. It would be my first question posed to the investigators.

However, while 3.8% antibody-positive nationally, big differences regionally: North 8.0, Northeast 5.1, Southeast 1.1, Central West 0.9, South 0.4 Also, 90% of those tested reported having had at least one signature symptom at some point prior. Though May/June testing is within their flu season I wonder if there was a self-selection bias, wherein those who had been unwell were more likely to enter the antibody assessment cohort, having been missed earlier in antigen testing that would have indicated infection. This might affect the true exposure incidence because I thought there has been much speculation about asymptomatic cases loading into true incidence, yielding more than was found in the Brazil research.

Antibody study results recently released suggest a true SARS-CoV-2 incidence to date that is 5-6 times higher than reported figures. This would also suggest an alteration in fatality from about 6% to between 1% and 1.5%.

I had wondered where the ‘sour’ might fit in to the drinking game wheel of fortune. Classic fizzy shots spritzed on the rocks.

Yes, can clarify. I meant that something as innocuous as fellow tourist presence from same country could be calculated on minimum ‘N of 1’ basis of probability, assuming tourism data available, but it and countless other variables unrelated to disease would not be at all front of mind. In contrast, there are sufficient pandemic data to guide calculations of exposure for any number of people in any gathering. You took the CoV probability further in relation to our favourite venues, based on behavioural patterns that would inflate risk in comparison to airplane, gym, church, etc. And you are correct ... the transmission reproduction number would increase within that microcosm even if at the baseline date of reopening the case rate equaled the general population prevalence. After a time, even the exclusively voyeuristic at higher exposure risk than elsewhere. Add to that the expediency of transactions for economic survival and the greater cohabitation levels among age groups. Petri dish. You get it or you don’t impacts you get it or you don’t.

I think @Solooking mentioned the immunity theme as well.

99.86% of the horses world-wide remain stalled in the barn, for now. Sure, there may be equitable case rates comparing Brazil with USA, the epidemiological mirroring figures seeming to justify reciprocal or even unilateral transplantation. As well, folks from ‘downcurve’ places may pose less contagion risk. However, incoming visitors are among the least likely to follow local protocol because they are not cloistered in isolated monastery retreats. They simply add to the segment of the population that defies protective compliance or that cannot accommodate their country’s recommendations for mitigating spread. A foreign national tourist from a place with less disease prevalence is as bad as the non-adherent Brazilian that stimulates case incidence, wilfully or by default. Importing more of those is not a strategy to be found in the infection control handbook. Better to send hay there than make hay there.

The airlines in Latin America seem to be going Humpty Dumpty one by one, implications for flights in context of bankruptcy, rendering the prospect of reliable in-country air travel unstable even if you can get to a hub. And Aeromexico now in bankruptcy ... I am not sure if bankruptcy = absolutely grounded for any of these carriers, but that workaround option for entering/leaving Brazil from North America may close. Bus travel arrangements for shorter distance, or just-in-time booking for longer domestic hauls once there, may be realistic if one is determined to be in Brazil.

I think this media article breaks down and critiques fairly well the incipient research on natural (viz exposure) immunity viability and durability mentioned by @Latbear4blk here or in another thread. Sobering. https://www.cbc.ca/news/health/asymptomatic-covid-19-1.5629172

Not! Squad gone mad!