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I've read about Nature Boy and Golden Cock when I first joined the forum a few years ago but never really stopped by either one. From what I can gather, they're more of the "sleazier" version of the boy bars. I'm hoping to visit Nature Boy at least once in my upcoming trip. Does the bar open around the same time as the other boy bars? I'm guessing the usual off and tips practices apply here as well 😅.

I've experienced this in my last few trips. The approach of the Tawan boys now are more aggressive compared to the old Tawan. That said, some of the guys who have been around since the old Tawan are still alright, they can take "no" for an answer. Among the rest, there are a few that are persistent.

Ah I see. And these are conversations that happen after you've picked a guy and are in the room with him? Presumably, with places like this, it is not a conversation you will have with the manager on the role, what the guy can do etc. before deciding on who to go with (as with some of the more "hard" massage centres)?

Can I ask those who perhaps have more experience with TCS, what is the expectation we should have there? Is it more of the Saphan Kwai/Arena type where sex is expected or is it a place where sex depends on the masseur (if at all) and only HJ should be expected?

On man, looks like I've missed a chance to try the place out 😅

Hi all, Just wanted to ask if anyone knows whether Villa Giani is still there? I have been searching for updated information but could not find anything. 😅

Hi all, I'm planning to celebrate Xmas & NYE in Europe this year and hope to get some recommendations from members here on which part of Europe would be a good destination for a 1+ week trip (from Xmas Eve to the new year weekend). I'm hoping to get a good mix of festive celebrations + paid/unpaid guys + saunas/sex club visits. At the moment, I'm thinking of doing Madrid + Barcelona but still pretty open. Thanks in advance for all the advice + recommendations 🙏

Ah that's good to know. I've never tried a massage center in Bali before, so not sure what is the process. With my session, I just checked with the guy if he is ok to do what I'd like him to and take it from there.

Hey all, I just came back from a short trip to Bali and thought I'd share my experience. Just a head's up - this will be less of a sex trip report (I was with a regular paid guy) and more of a general overall report 😅. Arrival I arrived to a not-so-crowded airport (compared to a previous trip). For first timers, a couple of forms you can fill online even before your departure to Bali: - All Indonesia Arrival Card: https://allindonesia.imigrasi.go.id - Your online visa application: https://evisa.imigrasi.go.id/web/visa-selection (including for those from visa exempt countries) - Bali Tourist Levy (Rp 150k) which you can pay here: https://lovebali.baliprov.go.id/ The All Indonesia Arrival Card QR will always be checked after you've collected your luggage as it includes your customs declaration but from what I can see, they don't really check the Bali Tourist Levt payment. From the airport, you can either book a ride via the apps (Grab, Gojek etc.), book your own tour guide/transfer separately or use the taxis at the airport. Weather The weather was good during the time I was there. It was sunny all day, so perfect for outdoor activities. In places like Ubud, there is a nice chill to the breeze but in the beach areas (Seminyak, Legian etc.) the weather was way too hot for my liking in the afternoons. Apps There are plenty of guys available for hire on apps (mainly on Grindr and HeeSay). Many would openly advertise their services or DM you with their photos/videos and rates. There are also many (foreigners and locals alike) who would reach out for some free fun. However, there seems to be a lot more service providers in the Seminyak/Canggu/Legian area than in Ubud. The rates of the paid guys I've chatted would fall under one of the these 2 categories; the more "local" rates of Rp 500k to 700k for full program, or the more "international" rates of Rp 2 mil above (think of the RM type of guys). I also noticed that there are a lot of guys who are keen to do chem (poppers or heavier stuff). Spa/Massage Centre I only tried one place during this trip; XXL Men 2 Seminyak. You can find the boys here: https://xxlmenbali.com/gallery/ They also publish their services and rates online, which is to be paid for before the session starts. Only certain packages include happy endings, so best to check first before booking your session. Some masseurs there are not available for the shorter sessions. The session I had with one of the guys was a really good one. He doesn't speak English but he was very polite and caring, paying close attention to how my body reacts to his massage (when my ticklish reflex caused me to jerk a little at a time when he touched some sensitive parts, he would apologize and adjust his movements so that I am more comfortable). The massage itself was way better than a lot of the ones I've tried in BKK (though unfortunately I can't compare with places like Prince etc. which seems to me to be more of the same vibe as XXL Men). On the extras, happy ending was part of the package I booked but I honestly am not sure on what that was supposed to include specifically - as in just masturbation or all the way to full blown fuck - which is why I'm not disclosing my guy's name here 😅 (don't want to get him into any kind of trouble). My guy was open for some non-anal fun (which was what I was looking for), allowing me to play with his body, suck him off and he played with my body till I came. He then helped me with a shower to clean up. I gave him some extra tips directly outside of the fee already paid to the centre. The spa does have a pool, sauna etc. that patrons can use if they want to, though I didn't see anyone using it when I was there. Well, that's about all I can share but feel free to ask more and I'll answer what I can.

I wonder if anyone here has tried any of the guys featured in the videos they share on their Line account. Some of those guys seemed to have difficulties getting hard 😅 Could be the nerves, being recorded and all.

Thank you @ichigo!! Following the GV example, does that mean MT = Man Top, GT = Gay Top? Then, what is BT? 😅

Hi all, I have a question about Jey Spa that I'm hoping to get some info on. I noticed that on some of the boys' profiles there are abbreviations used. Here is an example: Does anyone here know what these abbreviations (e.g. GV, MT, BT, GT) mean? And what does the numbers at the of the list ( 1.8) represent? Thanks in advance!!

To answer the question, I've seen the 1st guy's profile on RM for guys available in Bali.

I was in the same situation 2 years ago. But I quickly realized that, even if half of Jakarta is out, there still approximately 15 mil people left 🤣🤣🤣 Plenty of available guys on Grindr and other apps that I didn't really feel the difference (other than the lack of traffic, is which is something to be grateful for).

I'm planning a trip there for early May, my first time in the Philippines and planning to stay in Makati. I'm wondering if there are gogo bars of similar concept to maybe Space Hair Salon in Phnom Penh or the gogo bars in Thailand. From what I can find online, there's one bar in Quezon City called The One 690, but not much info on how things go with the guys etc. If anyone has experience to appreciate, would appreciate it 🙏.

Ah alright, got it. Thanks!

Thanks for sharing your experience at TCS @RavenFlock. I wanted to try the place in my last trip but didn't manage to. I'm surprised that the minimum tip is a lot cheaper compared to others (including Arena), especially when the guys are that hot. Can I ask whether they explained the sex role of the guy you picked when you were doing the booking?

I've had a Jupiter model quoting 4000 for ST before with some limitations (no kissing etc.) but others quoted the usual 3000. Like someone mentioned above, it is likely that he is either one of the superstar or he prefers going with women instead and is indirectly saying no to you. I usually get my intel on the boy's preferred client (i.e. if he goes out with women only or both and general limitations with the mamasan I've known for some time). FYI, in my recent trip, even one of the Tawan guys quoted 5000 for ST, but he is a solid tall muscular bodybuilder (with six pack and all) and I was informed that he is actually mainly there to fill in the roster. So, he apparently only goes with clients if they pay a premium price.

Part 2/2 Arena - I visited here once and had the same guy from my previous trip. I noticed that his massage skills have improved from the last session, so I asked him why and was told that he had attended some classes since my last visit. Sure, it is probably not at the level you would expect at a decent massage spa, but good enough for Arena 😁. The afters were decent, as he already knows what I like from my last visit. There were about 10 guys when I visited in the evening on a weekend, mostly mature lean or muscular guys. I did get the VIP room which, honestly, wasn't great. It made me wonder how the normal rooms are 😅 Total cost: THB 900 plus + THB 1000 tips for the boys. KMan - I went here once during a weekday. I texted them on Line about 40 mins before to book "L" but on the way there, I was told that "L" didn't reply to their texts and might not be available. They suggested that I select those who are available when I reached the shop. Once I reached, I was shown a few available options but none of which are my type. I asked about one other guy, "Zack", but was told he would only be available much later. Eventually, I decided to leave without taking up their service. The manager (I think?) did warn me that with "L", he is rather unpredictable/unreliable. On this occasion, he apparently had too much to drink last night and only woke up a few minutes before I reached the massage center 🤣. Freshboy - Like I mentioned before, I offed a guy from Freshboy twice on this trip without actually going to the bar. He was a model I met during my last trip, a friendly straight guy from Vietnam, with a lean body. We exchanged contact numbers the last time I took him out. Thankfully, I was in town before he heads back to Vietnam for Chinese New Year. I had a great time on both occassions with him, passionate lover during sex and friendly chats after. Total costs: THB 500 (off fee to the bar, paid to him as he didn't go to the bar and visited me directly at night) + THB 3000 (tips) Apps - I received several requests on Grindr/Blued/Scruff for both free and paid sex. For paid services, the offers ranged from THB 1000 (next door type of guys) to THB 3000 (the more muscular/lean type). I didn't take up any of the paid services though. That's all on my short adventure on this trip (aside from the non-sex scene activities).

That's a fair point.I'm sure different members here would have dealt with similar situations in a way that fits their own rationale and principles. For me, like I mentioned before, I would deal with situations like this on a case-by-case basis. Ultimately, my priority is to enjoy my vacation in the way I see best 😊.

Haha I can understand this. To me, the risks of offing straight guys are well known. So, while I was pissed, I didn't really think much of it afterwards because you're bound to encounter 1 or 2 bad experiences but also get really good encounters with the other. For comparison, 2 of my good sessions in this trip were with a guy who - get this - is from Vietnam, a Freshboy model, and also straight 🤣🤣🤣. So yeah, win some and lose some. Not worth spoiling my vacation over just 1 or 2 bad encounters.

What @Travelingguy said is partly the reason. It saves me from the hassle of possibly going back and forth for a sum that I don't consider worth wasting time and energy on. The other part is that, while the service was not fully delivered, I did get to enjoy his body so yeah. There have been instances in the past (once in Thailand and the other elsewhere) where I just paid a nominal sum and got the guy out because the experience was bad all the way.

Hey guys, Just wanted to share my experience on a recent trip with the bars and massage places: Part 1/2 Moonlight - visited purely because of nostalgia. The bar is pretty much dead on a Friday night. There were only 3 customers including me, with probably less than 10 guys on rotation, mostly the "boy next-door" type. Didn't stay for the show but had a good chat with the other 2 customers before leaving. Total cost: THB 500 Dreamboys - I went here twice, once during a weekend and the 2nd time on a weekday. Out of all the bars I went to, they probably have the most guys on rotation, with a wide range of variety on types. On my 1st visit here, it seemed like there were more customers compared to the other bars I visited over the weekend but I didn't off anyone. Had one of the muscle guys sit with me for a drink and chat, but he was so stiff that I decided to end my visit there earlier. Paid my tab for the drinks and tipped the guy for his time. Total cost: THB 1300 (with the tips to boy+mamasan) On the 2nd visit to the bar, I offed a cute lean guy from Vietnam I recognized from Freshboys, a pure top straight guy. In summary, it was a bad experience for me and probably would never take him out again. While at the bar, I told him that I was not in the mood for a fuck and just wanted some vanilla, side fun (Google translated for him the exact things I was looking to do since he speaks limited English) and he confirmed that he was ok to do them all. He was also quite touchy at the bar, which I thought was a good indication. But once at the room, he went and showered on his own, got on the bed and asked if he could watch straight porn on his phone. I don't mind so much if the boy has to do that when he is close to finishing (I understand he is straight) but this is way too early at the start (and this is also the first time in all my offs that a guy asked to watch porn on his phone 😅). What made it worse was that most of the things he said he could do (like kissing etc), he ended up not being able to do at all or did some half-hearted attempt with heavy reluctance. I tried pulling him away from his phone a couple of times to actually have some physical activity other than me giving him a blowjob or him jerking off, but finally gave up (and lost my mood to continue with the session). He eventually came after masturbating to porn and asked if I wanted to finish too 🤣. I said no and just went to clean up. He awkwardly joined me in the shower but we ended up cleaning ourselves separately. I think he sensed I wasn't happy but I still tipped him what I originally planned to. All in all, I basically paid to give him a blowjob and watched him masturbate 🤣. Total costs - THB 1650 (my drink + boy's drink + off fee+ tips for mamasan and another cute guy) + THB 3000 tips (sure, I could've paid lower but I was too pissed and tired to really care). Than Tawan - I went here twice, once during the weekend and the 2nd time during a weekday. Hired 2 guys here. They have a bigger selection of guys now as the Atlas boys are now here too. The first guy I offed was a slim fit Myanmar guy (happened to be his last day too). He is not the type that I would typically go for but he was cute, in a rugged, twinkish, bad boy next-door kinda way 🤣. He was a pleasant guy though, friendly and did everything I wanted. I had a good time with him. Total costs - THB 1800 (2 drinks + off-fee, and yes the off fee that weekend was THB 800) + THB 3000 tips (yes, the off-fee was THB 800 on a weekend) The 2nd was my regular muscle guy, so all good with him as he already knows what I like. Total costs - THB 1500 (2 drinks + off fee) + THB 3000 tips Just an observation on Than Tawan - I was surprised at how pushy the mamasans (and some of the boys) of Than Tawan have become, unlike how Tawan (or even the One) used to be. Almost all of the mamasans (and even the doorman) came asking for tips/drinks for themselves (without really doing much). Some mamasans pushed customers to tip the boys performing (even when the customers declined the boys offer to touch their dicks/ass). I saw a few unfortunate tourists who were surprised by having to tip when they received unsolicited lap dances that they were visibly not comfortable with 🤣.

Haha of course. Though I suspect I'll probably be BKK first before HCM 😅

I saw the article below on the update @spoon mentioned: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.scmp.com/week-asia/people/article/3334755/raids-men-only-spas-malaysia-raise-concerns-about-targeting-lgbtq-groups "Kuala Lumpur police chief Fadil Marsus told reporters earlier on Sunday that investigators could not proceed with charges because “no one declared themselves a victim”, which he said limited what legal provisions police could rely on. ... 'So, the case is gone,' he said. 'As for the [premises owner], there is indeed no offence at all for now.'"