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forrestreid

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    I’m so grateful to have found this forum to get inspired (lol) and excited for an upcoming trip to Egypt.
    I was in Morocco (Marrakech and Tangier) last January and sharing one of my encounters here! Have a few other experiences (one of which was getting scammed by a local i met on Grinder), and might share some of them when i have time within the week.
    —
    I’d just arrived in a coastal town of Tangier and, because of local laws, there aren’t really gay clubs or saunas. But Grindr? Absolutely buzzing. The second you open it, it’s like a casino machine that never stops spinning. My only dilemma: I couldn’t host. I was staying with friends in an Airbnb.
    Around 1 a.m., a blank profile messaged me. Pretty standard there. He sent photos, said he was bi, discreet, and unfortunately for my survival instinct, he was very cute. He couldn’t host either, but offered something that sounded equal parts sweet, bold, and reckless: he’d pick me up, drive me around the city, and “kiss in the car.” I told my friend I’d share my live location for 24 hours, promised to send the car details, and decided to risk it.
    He texted: “BMW. I’m in front of the door.” Honestly, that gave me a weird sense of security. Maybe I trusted the idea of trouble not driving something that luxurious.
    He introduced himself. So as not to dox him, let’s call him Ahmed.
    Ahmed, a local businessman, just came from a shisha session with his buddies, got horny, and found me on Grindr.
    We quickly took off to a very nice drive, i must say. He explained so many things about the city.
    “This is the Mediterranean side, and there’s an area where it meets the Atlantic side.” “That’s is a good restaurant with nice performances.” “Over there is the king’s palace overlooking the ocean.” It felt like being taken on a personal night tour by someone who loves where he lives, and I was happy seeing parts of town i wouldn’t have seen if it weren’t for him.
    And yeah, while all this wholesome tourism was happening, the tension between us was… very not wholesome. I’d touch him, he’d let me, then we’d both stop whenever we hit busy streets or police checkpoints (Morocco was hosting AFCON, so security was everywhere). His cock wasn’t huge. More like a perfect boyfriend size. At one point his phone rang, he answered in Arabic, and I just knew it was probably his wife. He hung up, gave me that calm, reassuring smile again, and it was like nothing could rattle this man.
    Eventually he drove us to a dark cliffside parking area overlooking the Atlantic. Moonlight. Wind. A few cars scattered around us doing probably exactly what we were about to do. He joked, “If you swim 5,000 kilometers from here, you’d reach New York.” while turning off the engine and interior lights of his sports car. We’ve been edging each other while on the unofficial city tour already, so told him there was something closer I wanted to reach (hint: his cock).
    Ahmed quickly removed his Nike tech pants, revealing his cock and I can now play with it freely. Wasting no time, I unbuckled my seatbelt to suck him off. Moans out of pleasure all over. It wasn’t hard to deepthroat him because his dick wasn’t so big, and i felt him reach for my asshole to play with it. I asked if i could play with his nipples (a fetish of mine) and I was taken over the edge when he said “You can do whatever you want.” There I was, going between licking his nipples and biting them softly while using my hand to play with his dick, and going down on him to play with his balls.
    He then unbuttoned my pants and started playing with my hard cock. “So much pre cum!”, he told me. He seemed happy I’m that turned on.
    After just a few minutes I heard him say “Keep sucking me!”. His moaning and panting were getting more intense. I asked him if he was about to cum and he said yes. So i used my tongue and mouth even more intensely.
    He finished. Hot. Heavy. A release that hit hard. I swallowed, laughing breathlessly, and told him there was a lot. He grinned and said it had been weeks.
    I barely had time to enjoy that victory before his face changed.
    “Fuck.”
    Headlights exploded beside us. A large police vehicle rolled up. My heart dropped to my toes. Pants half-open. Mouth still tasting him. Brain screaming. Ahmed moved fast, adjusting himself, sitting upright like nothing had happened, rolling the window down with the composure of a man built for stress.
    The officer stepped out and came to his side. They spoke in Arabic. I tried to move as little as possible while buttoning myself. Ahmed’s tone was firm. Slightly irritated. Not scared. That confidence saved me.
    The officer glanced at me a few times but never addressed me. Ahmed slipped him documents, muttered something firm, and eventually the police just… left. Drove away like it was nothing.
    “See?” he smiled, like we hadn’t just lived a full psychological horror film. “Everything is okay.”
    I finally exhaled.
    He later explained that things could have gone badly if alcohol was involved or if I’d been a woman, but usually the “worst” that happens is they ask for money. He drove me home after, laughing about how we were both unlucky and lucky at the same time. Unlucky to be targeted (out of the few cars in that spot), lucky he’d finished seconds before. We let out a big laugh.
    When he dropped me off, I told him this was one for the books. And it is. I’ll never forget him, or that cliff, or how fast desire can turn into fear and then back into relief again. He smiled like he already knew.
    TL;DR: Hooked up with a Moroccan guy in his car on a cliff. He finished. Police pulled up seconds later. Thought my life was over. It wasn’t. 10/10 story. 0/10 recommend for nerves.
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    Has anyone tried the Jungle Boy Bar yet in Supertown?
    https://www.facebook.com/share/r/1BirBYapyN/
         ⬆️⬆️⬆️ short video ⬆️⬆️⬆️


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    forrestreid reacted to macaroni21 in Spain shame   
    The choice of words can so confuse that a conversation goes heywire. These 60,000 people breaching the border in Ceuta are not refugees. Too often this word is used loosely in discourse. Refugees are people fleeing demonstrable threats to life and limb (e.g. from conflict or natural disasters) or persecution in their home countries. These young men (and they were mostly young men) were simply hoping to rush into the EU, in violation of border laws, for economic reasons. Several of them spoke to the media, and they themselves have openly said this was their motive. Any sympathy needs to be calibrated against this reality rather than be dialled up by the misuse of the word 'refugee'.
    That they were fleeing nothing can be seen from the fact that over 48,000 of them so far have peacefully returned to Morocco, albeit under heavy security pressure.
    The videos also show that many of them are not even Moroccan but Subsaharan. Reporters have pointed out that in the past, the Moroccan government has aided or encouraged border storming for political purposes whenever they were unhappy with Spain or the EU, e.g. in pursuit of their (Morocco's) imperialistic ambitions over Western Sahara or over their feud with Algeria. Whether this instance had any government involvement, nobody can yet say. This reminds me of Belarus using migrants to put pressure on Poland and the EU a few years back.
    Members here of more leftwing persuasion should be careful of what they wish for. Misplaced sympathy for economic border-violators and the loose border control that results will lead to a local population developing a sense that their own security and social balance are under threat. No use arguing if this is empirically true, for feelings are powerful factors when it comes to voting. Once people get the feeling that their own government has lost control of their country's borders, there is a much greater likelihood of voting for rightwing parties, whose agenda on many other issues, e.g. LGBT rights, social safety net, may be contrary to leftwing ideals. I am sure I don't have to list examples of how often this has happened in recent history. In short, misplaced sympathy is a big, big own goal.
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    He insisted I put my preposterous attempt of a drawing in front of his private parts! 😄
     

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    forrestreid got a reaction from t0oL1 in Villa Gianni in London, UK   
    I visited the Villa again last week

    I arrived about 6 pm on a Wednesday. It is my second time in in the place but I never hired there before as I wasn’t well on the last occasion (review of visit above).
    Just to note if you have never been - there is no sign for the place, just a little plaque saying "Basement flat No.32" at the top of the stairs.

    When I went in, I met the receptionist/host and he brought me to the one-way window.

    The available guys were three South American guys. They were all Twinkish in build, and of average to good looks. I think they had been better looking bunch the previous time, when unfortunately I wasn’t up to doing anything

    I clarified that the fee would be £160, which would include everything. I picked a guy called Pedro, who is from Brazil and quite new to the establishment.

    I was told I’d have to wait for a room, and I was ushered to a little waiting-room just inside the door, with a couch and a TV.

    Felt a bit weird to be stuck in this pokey room watching Sky News, but I was only was only there for maybe five or 10 minutes before the host came and brought me to the bedroom.

    The room was a small windowless room with just basically bed and side table. If I had been hoping for an en-suite to possibly have a shower, I would have been disappointed

    I decided I wanted a sort of proper massage first, but the bed was so soft it was hard for the poor masseuer - when he put pressure on my back I just sank into the mattress. I didn’t leave it long before I moved onto other activities. Pedro was friendly and eager to please.

    When the session ended, I gave Pedro £160 in cash before I left the room.

    The overall vibe was friendly and relaxing and I was offered water when I arrived and before I left.

    Before I left, I asked the host if there were any guys apart from the three I saw who who would be available the next day, and he showed me some photos and videos of a guy who wasn’t in that day, but would be in the next day. So it may be possible to plan ahead to visit when a guy you like will be there. 
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    forrestreid got a reaction from Daddy415 in Trip Report: Silom   
    Holding on to the handles at the back on a motorbike is dangerous. If the bike seriously buckles or bounces, you will be flipped off like an overloaded buckeroo (for those of you who remember the playing the thing in the 80’s).
    however, I noticed that’s how a lot of straight men hold on when a passenger on motorbikes. I suppose they feel it’s unmanly to do anything else.
    However, as a gay man, it safety first, and when I am on a bike taxi I put my two arms around the chest of the driver and cling on like a baby chimpanzee. So far I have not had any driver object.
    So guys, be safe, be gay, let the straights get the head injuries while you hold on tight….
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    I arrived in Medellin on a late flight at almost midnight and I was already a little hungover from a night in Cancun prior and met up with a regular there, so I went to the airbnb after clearing Immigration (no line) and Priority bags came out fast, got an Uber and straight to the apt to unpack, catch up on messages and SLEEP.

    SO I knew Wed night I'd be busy since I was well rested... one of my regulars for a few years came over, the one with the big ass... he's apparently vers now and after a few drinks, I said you must have someone to invite over and he did, and boy was he a wild, fun one..... when he arrived we had some more drinks and played a drinking game with cards, that require you to do truth or dare stuff and some involve taking of pieces of clothes, taking an extra drink, etc....

    Then I don't know how long we had sex for, but they left at 630am, just about the time another guy I knew just finished work and showed up minutes after they left, I was still in the lobby of the airbnb.... so we continued until about almost 11am I think it was....

    I love latins/Brasilians... so much entertainment and NOT shy at all.

    I brought them little sombreros from Cancun especially for this picture, lol

    Not easy keeping these hours, so I was in recovery mode all day Thurs, only went to the lobby to pick up a food delivery 😬



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    forrestreid reacted to jamiebee in Bangkok Visit - June 2026   
    Update #6 
     
    This maybe my last update for my Bangkok trip as I am writing this post the night before my morning flight to Philippines via Singapore. Booked a connecting flight just to transit and explore Singapore's Sentosa Island via their airports free Singapore tour.
     
    Monday
    I slept the full morning as my full body was still aching due to Sunday's Kanchanaburi hike. By 15:40hrs I started to walk towards the good old time-tested Arena for a massage for my sore body and a little fun afters.
    As I reached Silom Plaza just before 16:00hrs, I saw their usual boy lookout up on the 3rd floor and as soon he saw me, a potential customer, waived me to come up. Immediately out of the lift I was escorted by the same boy inside the shop.
    Inside were around 15 guys of various sizes. I already crossed out the few smaller built guys and shortlisted 4 guys I liked. I don't remember seeing my previous boy Tau there but I'm not really familiar with the boys of Arena. I quickly chose the one with 2nd biggest body, he's a bit aged but still to my liking 😋.
    I don't think the prices changed from the last time I visited here but they didn't ask me to pay before going with the boy up the room. Room is just ok same A/C unit directly blasting straight to the massage table. The shower thankfully was clean and no odd smell. I forgot the guys name like how forgettable his massage skills were. (JeySpa's JayJay experience spoiled me)
    But at least this guy actually stayed with me the full 90mins happy ending included. Was satisfied and gave him 2000 for his tip and when down to pay for the massage at the counter. I left Arena energised 😁.
    I had a quick lunch in Taco Bell on the same building of The Raya before going up to my room to take a nap.
    I woke up around 21:00hrs and freshen up. Of course I decided to go to Tawan again a little later to watch the show and if muscle boy K is there I'll take him back to my room, unfortunately he didn't come for work. I don't fancy anyone of the present boys there for an off so I just spent the night feeling the muscles of my number boy K and Muscle show boy T. My other regular number boy D got lucky and got his off this night. I stayed until closing time and met my number boys K and now number boy D after he came back from his off at the corner of the soi by the 7-eleven.
    We just sat there at the corner, bought the fried fish balls from lady of the small cart and drinks beer all night.
    It was fun spending time with them just talking and drinking beer, though I didn't understand most of the things being said but we are all laughing and sharing stories with D's girlfriend translating for me.
    We drank and drank and bought more bottles by driving from the nearby soi until 4am. We finished 10 500ml cans and 12 500ml bottles of beer with only the 4 of us, mind you I only paid for the 12 bottles and they bought the cans and the food.
    I was a bit wasted but I had fun and didn't feel out of place and felt like how I did when drinking with friends back home in the Philippines I missed this feeling for a long time. By 04:30hrs we have finished everything and they drive me to my hotel to rest.
     
    Tuesday 
    I'm wasted and had a slight hangover when I woke up by 0800hrs. I made my self a coffee and went back to sleep hahaha
    I woke up by 11:00hrs and started packing my luggage. I also went out and bought more sweets like dried fruit packs and spicy snacks to bring back for my friends in Dubai.
    By 20:00hrs, I sent a LINE message to one of the Supervisors of Tawan to check if my preferred muscle boy K will come tonight. I got a confirmation after 5mins and asked if I will go to the bar or he can send my muscle boy to my hotel room. I chose the latter and ask if K can come by 21:00hrs. He has given me muscle boy K's Line and K will be coming as discussed.
    This is the first time I will be offing Muscle boy K and I was not sure what to expect, I never got a chance to talk to him prior to this but I have been really interested to check him out.
    Around 21:00hrs I met him at the entrance of my hotel and brought him up to my room. Muscle boy K was all I could ever ask for a muscle boy. He was fun to talk to, he's body is amazing and his chest is perfect. Since this was the first time we actually met we talked about what I like without any awkwardness everything went smoothly.
    From the showers he look so erotic glistening from the water, his pecs thighs and glutes was hard and plump. We have done things while in the showers that I thought I will finish there and then. 
    Then we proceeded to the bed and I worship his body like a greek god.🤤🤤🤤
    He was so "enthusiastic" (I don't have any better word) when It comes to kissing, to foreplay, up to pound town 🥰🥰🤤
    He was great at making me feel good. Muscle boy K was gentle and yet a beast when he started pounding my back 🤤😋.
    After we finished, we chat a bit on bed and I learned he was 2 younger me only 36yrs old, he no longer go to bodybuilding competition only maintaining his big yummy physique. He also has a day job as a Personal Trainer that's why he's only at the bar 4x a week mostly Monday Tuesdays and I forgot the other two I think he said Thursday and Friday. I also didn't know he's with Tawan for 10yrs already. By 23:00hrs I Iet him go with a big tip, along with the bar fine and tip for the supervisor who helped me earlier to get in touch with him.
    Now I have another reason to come back to Bangkok next year 🤤🤤🥰🥰
    Now I just need to do some final checks for my luggage and do my online arrival cards for both Singapore and Philippines.
    I will be in Manila for another 6 days before I fly back to Dubai via Doha on 1st July.
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    forrestreid reacted to macaroni21 in Sunee Plaza Nice Boys   
    I don't think it is useful to speak of gay tourism to Thailand as a generalised, homogenous thing. By that I mean we need to distinguish the different market segments and (catering to them) the different business segments. Each of these segments have/had a waxing and waning cycle non-synchronous with the others and for their own reasons, e.g. the economics, politics or demographics of that segment at that point in time.
    Restricting my comments to Pattaya,
    I have never been a frequent visitor to Pattaya, but I have visited irregularly since the early 1990s. That decade I think I only visited the Boyztown bars, and stayed mostly at Le Cafe Royale Hotel (did I get the name right?). I can't directly answer @bkkmfj2648's question about the distribution of patrons among these 3 distinct areas in the years 2000 to 2010, but I think it would be misleading to think of a single market that moved from one area to another depending on their relative popularity. 
    When I visited, just by looking at the offerings in the Sunee Plaza bars, one could surmise that Boyztown and Sunnee served different market segments. Most Sunnee bars, for most of the period, had barely-legal skinny fem twinks. For a short while, some bars went too far (more on this below), but as @a-447 said, the clampdowns came before long. 
    My main memory of that period, 2000 to maybe 2010, was that the inside bars of Sunee had so-so crowds, but the open-front bars (very similar to format of bars in Jomtien Complex today) always had plenty of customers sitting for hours, with skinny fem wait staff flirting among the customers, almost all of whom were silver-haired caucasians with pot bellies. The customers seemed to know each other. So, to answer @bkkmfj2648's question to a degree, Sunee Plaza was pulling in the residents or semi-residents of Pattaya (snowbirds who only came during the northern winter) who had a fancy for skinny fem twinks, but for whom Sunee was also a community space.
    I would hasten to add that in my opinion, @a-447 described an extreme case, though I myself had a similar experience in one bar. I too was horrified. Let me segue a bit here and describe my experience:
    I was sitting in bar (can't remember which one now) and the mamasan noticed that I wasn't showing any interest in the boys (they were too skinny and too fem!), but s/he came to the wrong conclusion as to why I wasn't showing any interest. S/he then said, we have more boys, they not dancing now, they at the back. Follow me, I show you. I stupidly followed without digesting what s/he might be saying. Down a short corridor, we came to a curtained doorway. S/he pulled back the curtain to show me a filthy, untidy room with four obviously teenage boys inside. I was outa there like lightning.
    While the raids severely damaged the reputation of the precinct and made it risky for customers to be seen there, I doubt that it was the primary factor for its decline. I think the primary factor was the demographic receding of the type of customer Sunnee appealed to. In short, many of them died. They were not sufficiently replaced by new residents with similar tastes in boys. The new residents that came were less likely to be looking for skinny fem twinks.
    That taste is an artefact of time and place. It's a generation (for want of a better term, I call it the rice queen generation) that paralleled the heterosexual market for mail-order brides: men who bought into the stereotype of Asians being more effeminate and submissive compared to non-Asian partners. By the turn of the century, a great cultural shift away from that stereotype was gradually happening in the background, and Sunnee's allure was being left behind by that cultural shift.
    My guess is that Jomtien Complex added to Sunnee's decline. It offered a safer set of bars without the odium of underage activity. It was also less fem and twinky (but not by much). I think Jomtien Complex sort of inherited Sunnee Plaza's market segment, but a more updated, less rice-queen kind.
    On the other hand, Boyztown always appealed to a completely separate market, though there was some overlap. Boyztown had more straight-looking boys, in fact actual straight boys. While it had open-front bars that also attracted people sitting for hours people-watching, my sense was that (no less due to the density of hotels in the area) Boyztown attracted the short-term visitors more than the residents.
    But "short-term" is a relative thing. A short-term visitor from Europe or America might stay for 3 weeks. A short-term visitor from Asia, barely a week -- which has implications.
    Another great shift was happening that began to sound the death knell for Boyztown: the rise of the Asian tourist to Thailand and the decline of the white tourist. The bars absolutely failed to adapt to serving the Asian tourist and continued to rely on the shrinking white market. But it's a chicken and egg question too, because with an ever-shorter visit duration, the Asian tourist was much less likely to venture out of Bangkok (unless they were of the packaged tour kind), and so unless they showed up, why would the bars start catering to them?
    But some do show up, as can be seen from the large numbers of screaming Chinese girls in formerly-gay BoyzBoyzBoyz.
    And then still another great shift: the Asian tourist is relatively younger and is more than happy with the dance clubs of Soi 2 in Bangkok for nightlife. They are not great fans of the gogo bars (maybe also they see these bars as poor value for money, which is true, actually), which explains why the gogo bars of Soi Twilight began the decline, and now in Patpong, they're often in a sorry state. Boyztown's gogo bars are just the more tattered/shuttered version of this general decline of gogo bars.
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    I see that the Midnight Hour (Bangkok Eyes) website has started updating its maps of nightlife areas.
    http://www.bangkokeyes.com/

    For March 2026, it has updated the maps for  Patpong 1, Patpong 2, and Silom 4 ( which it calls Soi Katoey). They show all the adult entertainment venues, both gay and straight. So not that much of interest for us on Patpong 1 - just Big Boy Bar and Chaichana massage.

    A few more places of course in Patpong 2, and then all the venues shown  for Silom 4 are gay, I think.

    Might be an interesting peruse if you are planning a trip to Bangkok and have not been there in a while.
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    forrestreid got a reaction from Travellerdave in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
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    forrestreid got a reaction from Finnseventy in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
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    It has been reported in the Press that Senegal has very recently enacted harsh new penalties against gay people & gay activities:
    https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/clyjzdjned0o
    Personally, I would have no interest in testing how serious they are about enforcing these new laws.  Visiting (& spending money) in a country that has such vicious anti-gay  policies is not very appealing either.
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    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
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    Hi Kiwi306,
    I have attended both the Pattaya City and also Jomtien Complex (Supertown) Gay Pride events in year 2024.
    There were 2 distinct events on 2 different weekends in 2024.
    On Saturday 8 June 2024 there was a parade held in Jomtien on Thappraya Road, ending at the Dongtan gay beach area.  It's name was Pattaya Community Pride 2024 and it was sponsored by SWING and the Jomtien Supertown Complex.  After the parade there were festivities and dancing held within the Jomtien Complex later in the evening.  The area at the Dongtan Beach was used for speeches and awards and prizes.
    On Saturday 22 June 2024 there was a parade held over in Pattaya City on Beach Road, ending at the Central Festival mall.  It's name was Pattaya International Pride Festival 2024 and it was sponsored by PATTANA (the Thai conglomerate that owns the Central shopping malls throughout Thailand).  The parade started at the Central Marina shopping mall over on Second Road (near Terminal 21) and then at the Dolphin Circle it turns left towards Beach Road and terminates at Central Festival.
    I enjoyed both events, but I preferred the Jomtien parade and related festivities because they were more grass roots organized, whereas, the Pattaya City parade is much more commercial, as it is sponsored by PATTANA.  Also, I was disheartened that Boyztown was absent in the Pattaya City parade activities - which disappointed me, as Boyztown has been an integral part of the Pattaya City gay community since forever.
    It seems that the parade route for the Pattaya City 2026 pride parade will be the same as it was in year 2024:

    The above image was extracted from the Pattaya City Mayor's office meeting and was posted crocked by them as shown above.
    Below is the image that has been created for this year's Pattaya City Gay Pride event - with the parade to be held on Saturday 27 June:

    https://www.instagram.com/reel/DLnCBdNSBbf/
     
    There is still no news if SWING and/or the Jomtien Supertown Complex will organize any pride events for this year.  Today I wrote an email to SWING Pattaya (Service Worker in Group Foundation) to see if they have any plans for this year.  If they respond then I will post them here.
    Some photos/video from the 2024 Jomtien / Pattaya pride events:

    Jomtien Dongtan Beach - end of parade stage setup for announcements and awards ceremonies
     

    20240608_171008.mp4 Jomtien 2024 Gay Pride parade video snippet (Thappraya road at the Dongtan Beach entrance)

    Pattaya City 2024 Gay Pride parade - at the beginning at the Central Marina mall on 2nd Road

    Pattaya City 2024 Gay Pride parade on Beach Road
    Note that also in June, Pattaya will be the host of the Circuit Festival Asia from 19 - 21 June https://www.instagram.com/circuitfestivalasia/
     

    https://www.facebook.com/CircuitFestivalAsia/
     
    In closing, note that on 6 May 2026, Thailand officially petitioned to host the year 2030 World Pride and is in competition with Barcelona. I believe that the final decision will be made in January 2027.

    https://www.sdperspectives.com/activities/road-to-bangkok-worldpride-2030-global-pride-hub-thailand/
    https://www.interpride.org/worldpride/
     
     
     
     
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    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
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    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
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    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
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    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
  20. Like
    forrestreid got a reaction from t0oL1 in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
  21. Like
    forrestreid got a reaction from vinapu in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    In Jomtien, between the Agate and Zing Hotels, there is the Thai Blind Massage Institute, signposted as the "TBMI".
    It offers legit massage by blind people who have been trained rigorously in the art of Thai massage.
    I have never used it myself (i find proper Thai massage a bit sore) , but it has very good reviews on Trip Adviser.
  22. Like
    forrestreid got a reaction from vinapu in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
  23. Like
    forrestreid got a reaction from a-447 in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    Hi Raza.
    Welcome to the board.
    You are more likely to get useful help if you tell us a bit about yourself.
    For instance, most people will assume that you're an older gay guy planning to use the commercial gay scene. But you could be in your twenties or thirties hoping for free encounters. You may be familiar with the Bangkok commercial scene and want just a few hints as to how Pattaya differs. Or you may be a newbie to Thailand and know nothing.
    Anyway, here are a few basics. I will presume that you are an older guy looking to hire. I will talk about the bar areas rather than meeting guys off the apps, which others have mentioned.
    There are three gay bar areas in Pattaya: Boyztown, Jomtien Complex, and Sunee Plaza.
    Jomtien Complex, a few miles south of Pattaya city centre, is the biggest “gay zone”, but it does not have go-go bars. Boyztown and Sunee Plaza are in Pattaya city centre, and are smaller areas (Sunee Plaza is almost dead at this stage). Boyztown and Sunee Plaza have go-go bars, while Jomtien Complex specialises in host bars.
    Boyztown
    I won't talk about individual bars. Probably the three most popular ones at the moment are Classic Boys, X-Boys, and Toyboys. If you do a Google Map search for any of them, it will bring you to Boyztown, where they are clustered together. A search for those names in the search bar of this website will bring up reports.
    In general, the go-go bars in Boyztown charge 250–300 baht for a drink. You basically watch the guys dancing on a stage in their underwear. If you see a boy you like on the stage (identified by a number), you tell the mamasan (bar manager on the floor), who will bring him over to sit with you. Since many boys are from neighboring countries like Myanmar, Laos, or Cambodia, and may not speak English well, the mamasan often acts as translator to discuss what the boy is willing to do ("top/bottom/both") and the price to hire them for Short Time (S/T- an hour or two) or Long Time (L/T - usually overnight).
    However, having the mamasan involved will often raise the expected price, as the mamasan sometimes gets a commission for suggesting a higher price. If the guy speaks any reasonable level of English at all, I would be inclined to keep the mamasan out of it.
    Boyztown Costs
    If you bring the guy out of the bar, you will have to pay a fee to the bar, called the “off fee" (similar to the “bar fine” in straight establishments, if you are familiar with them). My understanding is that the current off fee in most Boyztown places is around 500 baht.
    You will also have to pay the guy separately for his time. Compensation levels can be a contentious issue on this board, but my understanding is the current expected fee for S/T in Boyztown is 1500–2000 baht. Particularly handsome or muscular guys may expect more. Of course, if you are hiring a guy for L/T that would have a higher expectation as well.
    Sunee Plaza
    Sunee Plaza is a bit similar, although they have a tradition of the guys being open to being able to be “touched up”, even to the point of being made to cum, at your seat in exchange for a tip of a few hundred baht, which isn't really a thing in the other places. As this area is pretty moribund at the moment, I would leave it as your last visit. It does tend to be cheaper for than Boyztown for off fees and the payment expectations of the guys, though. The main bars in Sunee Plaza are Winner Bar (recently reported closed?) and Nice Boys Bar. Google Maps will help you find them, but be aware that at this stage, with the decline of gay establishments in the vicinity, visiting them will be more like making a trek to individual bars than being part of a "gay area."
    Jomtien Complex
    Jomtien Complex has a different model. The bars there are “host” bars rather than go-go bars – they are focused on bars where you can sit and drink, and fully clothed hosts will sit with you and chat in return for you buying them a drink. It has the biggest selection of bars - you really feel like you are in a “gay zone" in Jomtien Complex. Most of the bars have an outside area, which gives a nice ambience to the streets. You can sit outside and people-watch or sit inside and watch the shows. The shows are not go-go shows, but rather entertainment shows dominated by drag acts, although some shows, such as at M Bar, can get quite raunchy.
    As with Boyztown, the guys are available to take off from the bar. I believe the current off fee in the complex is a bit cheaper than Boyztown, around 300 baht. The expectations of the guys for S/T or L/T may be a bit lower as well, perhaps more so 1200 or 1500 rather than 2000 for S/T, for example.
    I see that @jimmie50  provided to a link to a map of the bars in Jomtien in an above post,  which is very useful.
    Massage
    Another aspect you could usefully search for on this board is gay massage places. Many of them are basically fronts for “sexy massage”, which can range from a hand job at the end of the massage to full sex.
     
     
  24. Like
    forrestreid got a reaction from tm_nyc in Detailed guide for having fun in pattaya..   
    In Jomtien, between the Agate and Zing Hotels, there is the Thai Blind Massage Institute, signposted as the "TBMI".
    It offers legit massage by blind people who have been trained rigorously in the art of Thai massage.
    I have never used it myself (i find proper Thai massage a bit sore) , but it has very good reviews on Trip Adviser.
  25. Thanks
    See Winner Boys entry by Old Daddy, comments last week. Yours for Bt50,000, it seems.

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