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Avoiding confrontation seems sensible to me, not cowardly. Walking in a part of Chiang Mai several years ago where farang don't usually go was probably the only time I ever felt a bit uneasy as far as I can recall. I walked from my hotel in the old town to a massage place (Gemini maybe?). It didn't look that far on the map but I think I got a little lost. I probably should have just taken a tuk tuk. I found it eventually though. I remember some people staring at me as I was walking along. Crossing the busy streets was probably the most dangerous part in reality. I also happened to be in Bangkok during the 2006 coup (the one that ousted Fugitive Former PM Thaksin Shinawatra). Luckily I was with a local guide at the time who managed to get me back to my hotel safely from the concert we were attending way out in Sri Nakarin. It wasn't really all that scary actually, but I'll always have a good story to tell. Being stuck in my hotel for a day or two was annoying but not scary.

No, not street food. Of course some dishes are not spicy by design. But I like some curry dishes that seem to be overly spicy. And of course various salads are spicy.

Frankly you can get food poisoning almost anywhere. One of the worst cases I ever had was in Taiwan after eating in the restaurant of a high end hotel. The worst case I had in Thailand was on my first ever trip and visit to Pattaya - big mistake eating a late lunch at a deserted restaurant. I was sick all over the beach and ended up spending a night in the hospital. For me Thai food in Thailand is generally just way too spicy. I don't know how the locals can eat it when it basically just sets your mouth on fire so you can't taste anything. But there are some dishes that I really like - massaman curry for example which is fairly mild.

this new place sounds tasty. Sathorn Soi 8 https://bk.asia-city.com/restaurants/bangkok-restaurant-reviews/saucey-chicken-and-beer?fbclid=IwAR0HZ8H34FJDBQIXtUeuQEqHXDxowGzkouhyKRawfRIpPLlxvsJRyot0MS0

That's very nice. I am impressed.

so you photographed them at the gym? I am a little confused

yeah, we'll see re: Travis. The new version is supposed to have improved greatly. They say they use several different translation engines and choose the best one for the language at hand. For sure Google translate is useless for more than a couple of words. Let's just say I don't have high expectations.

My attempt to learn some Thai was limited to a couple of sessions at our local adult education department which offered Thai a decade ago or so. It was enough for me to learn some useful words and phrases, but there's no way I could carry on a real conversation. Each session met once a week for 10 weeks so certainly not ideal. She would make me repeat the word until I managed to get the tones close to correct somehow but I could never really tell what I was doing correctly or wrong. I am glad I learned as much as I did and once I get on the ground there it is interesting how much comes back to me. But since I don't use it all the time it's rusty. But knowing numbers, days, directions and some basic phrase structures does help. I recently purchased the Travis translator device. Thai is among the languages it has onboard but I'll need to test that out with some one who actually speaks Thai.

"the Chinese forum"????

I've been saving diligently and should have a very decent pension when I retire. I will be 51 soon and plan to retire at 62. I like Thailand but think I would go insane if I retired there. It's a nice place to visit though. As someone else up-thread mentioned, my ear doesn't really hear the Thai tones which made my attempts to learn the language a failure. But I suppose if you are immersed full time maybe that makes a difference. While you can get by without it, it seems like life would be better with at least a rudimentary amount of the language. Given the road to hell the US is on I've been thinking about an escape plan though.

I guess if it's always full it makes sense to raise prices

Sorry, I didn't mean to derail this thread. SAARC (South Asian Association for Regional Cooperation) was organized by the countries of the region who put the term South Asian in the name of their organization. I don't think you can blame that on Westerners' misunderstanding or projecting. https://www.nti.org/learn/treaties-and-regimes/south-asian-association-regional-cooperation-saarc/

I don't know who "we" is, but the accepted definition seems to be India, Pakistan, Sri Lanka, Bangladesh, Nepal, Bhutan, Maldives and sometimes Afghanistan. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asian_ethnic_groups https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_Asia

I said South Asian, not South Indian

I am sure there are many thieves in Pattaya. But thanks for the warning. The cigarette would cross him off my list. I often find young South Asian men very hot. The older I get the broader my type. But there are still some dealbreakers.

5 star for $100/night will likely be a bit of a challenge. The Crowne Plaza Lumpini is a nice place and you can't get a whole lot closer to the gay area. They offer babysitting service. It's not 5 star, but it's a perfectly nice, upscal-ish place. https://www.ihg.com/crowneplaza/hotels/us/en/bangkok/bkkcp/hoteldetail/hotel-overview# I have not been to the Sofitel, but have stayed at other Sofitel properties and they are always very nice. Maybe see if the Sukhothai has a good deal? BKK is probably a quicker drive and easier to navigate. I read stories all the time about overcrowded and long waits at DMK. You might want to try these questions (or some of them anyway) at Flyertalk.com which has great travel forums. https://www.flyertalk.com/forum/thailand-624/ You're going to put a 2 yo in her own room????????

My TDbank account also rebates all ATM fees.

that boy Milo is all legs. I had never heard of him until this week

Maybe the "big" refers to something else?

Thailand too...at least those sad sort of mustaches anyway. It's been going on for a couple of years now

how about "muscle twinks"

in my case, my US bank rebates ATM fees (including the 150 baht fee) charged by the ATM owner. I'm not sure the rate difference is all that big, but the interbank rate is better than what you pay at an exchange booth however on the relatively small amounts I am dealing with it probably doesn't amount to much.

atms everywhere? credit cards

I am a planner by nature as well, so usually have some list of things I'd like to do. In BKK it's much easier for me to find stuff to do. I also appreciate the public transit system for getting around. I don't visit Pattaya very often - maybe every 3rd trip or so. I do find it easier to get bored there. I am not a beach person so I don't go there. I do like shopping so I will spend some time at the big mall wandering around. I agree also that late afternoon is a good time for massage.

who knows is right. It's possible that the job negatively affected him in a way it did not do to his brother. Not everyone is cut out for doing sex work. And I'd imagine that for a young straight man it could really fuck you up and lead to things like self-esteem issues, substance abuse problems to medicate, etc.