Bangkok/Tokyo For 2 Weeks a piece

[NoNameFanBoy]

Heyy Guys,

Yeah I know I could have searched through the forums but posting seems a little bit easier since this one is always active. Anyways to the point. I Usually always take a month long trip in October. Last year was Japan(Tokyo,Osaka,Kyoto) for the first time and the year before was Thailand(Bangkok,Phuket,Pattaya).

I will say when I went to Thailand for the first time I wasn't sure what to do outside of seeing things I saw on tv. So the trip was a little tamed. During my time in BKK I was on Jackd and ended up talking to a few guys I thought wow hot and found out they were money boys? I wanted to make plans with them both at different times but as the day went on one of the boys told me they worked at a club. Of course I thought this was a regular club since this was my first time, but once I got there I found out of course it was more than that. Crazy part is both boys ended up working at that same club. I didn't know about the other guy until I seen him and he seen me. So the lady running the club of course asked me to buy her a drink and any guys I was interested in drinks and to have them sit with me. As I sat there buys a lot of drinks I was also getting messages from both guys. The manager was trying to get me to "off" one or more of them? I think that's the term. I ended up messaging the boy and was just like why don't we meet when you're done so you don't have to pay the manager? He agreed,  & after he came to my hotel and we hooked up. Obviously I paid him. I was what he stated before I even went to his club. We still talk a little now. The other guy messaged me and wanted me to hook up with him when I was away from boy #1. At the club he was messaging me saying "I don't think you boy like me or likes the thought of sharing you". So he backed off because he didn't want drama at the work place. So I ended up sleeping with someone in Phuket that was ready  and willing and ended up with another guy in Pattaya and the guy wanted money. Also I never got a massage while in thailand. All in all I did enjoy my time there. But im sure I broke some rules by having the guys message me after they got off.  I just ended up spending a lot of money on anyone they wanted to send to my table.  

As far as Japan I did make a few post on here about it. 

 

So that was some back story. So the whole time I was in Thailand I didn't know about this forum until after.  So I have a few questions for the Thailand vets. 

1.As someone that doesn't like massages is there a way to just skip that part? or is the massage something I have to do to get to the main thing?

2.Would it just be better to go to the bars and find a guy that way? I just don't think it's fair that you have to go into a bar. buy drinks for people you may not end up with and also buy drink for the pimp. Id rather the boy get all the money. 

3. So Japan has websites where one can hire guys and you just pick a time and a place and boy and BOOM. He's yours. Does thailand offer anything like that? I do follow a few Line account about massages but once again I don't like massages and would rather just get to the point. Plus from what I can gather you have to do everything at their massage place. Which does scare me a little since I read about busts and stuff like that. 

4. If you have suggestions or tips please feel free to drop them.

 

I guess im just trying to see if anyone has any help info before I book the 2 weeks in Japan and 2 Weeks in BKK. In Japan I think I got a quick understanding of what I was getting into, but bkk I will say it was different and im still new to it. Sorry if this is all over the place but ive been thinking about posting this for a few weeks now and finally decided to do it. 

Thanks for any information provided. If you need more information ill try to provide more to the best of my knowlage.

[Kiwi306]

Just to make clear, you absolutely do not have to buy drinks for anyone, apart for yourself, at the bars, unless you choose to. 

I have never heard of anyone skipping the massage. I had a massage at Arena today before a handjob, and I actually felt revitalized afterwards. 

[macaroni21]

9 hours ago, NoNameFanBoy said:

Yeah I know I could have searched through the forums but posting seems a little bit easier since this one is always active.

Normally when I see a post that opens this way, effectively saying "I don't want to do the work, so I ask you to do the work instead, giving me the answers" -- I won't bother to reply. You would also have noticed that other members are also relatively quiet. However, I see that you have contributed trip reports before (from Japan) and I will give you some credit.

But I can't yet answer your question(s) because there are too many pieces of vague-ish information in your post. So, if you will clarify these, you may get more specific responses. But a word of advice: please do not bring Japan into the discussion -- it is such a different place with a totally different business culture, it can only confuse the conversation (and your own expectations).

9 hours ago, NoNameFanBoy said:

as the day went on one of the boys told me they worked at a club. Of course I thought this was a regular club since this was my first time, but once I got there I found out of course it was more than that.

What do you mean by the term "regular club"? And what do you mean by "more than that"? In another paragraph, you used the word "bar". Do you mean the same thing? In your speech, are bars and clubs interchangeable terms for the same type of establishment?

 

9 hours ago, NoNameFanBoy said:

So the lady running the club of course asked me to buy her a drink and any guys I was interested in drinks and to have them sit with me. As I sat there buys a lot of drinks

Was that person really a female or do you mean an MTF transgender? If you can remember, just name the place. We don't know if you're referring to one of the places that members of this forum are familiar with or whether you're at some other place we know little about. We can give you advice about how to protect yourself in place we're familiar with, but if it's a place that also foreign to us, then of course our words are meaningless. That other place may well have business practices that are "normal" for them. Best to be specific about the "club" we're referring to, otherwise we may be going around in circles in the discussion.

9 hours ago, NoNameFanBoy said:

Also I never got a massage while in thailand.

If you managed to have fun in your previous visit to Thailand without ever getting a massage, why are your questions geared to "how to avoid a massage"?

You seem to be asking: How do I get paid sex in Thailand with the type of boy I like -- and I think your preference is for very slim, as-young-looking-as-possible lads -- in my hotel room without any massage activity? Must this be in Bangkok, or are you prepared to spend more time in Pattaya? At 33, you're young enough to score at the saunas -- why do you want to pay?

[floridarob]

10 minutes ago, macaroni21 said:

please do not bring Japan into the discussion -- it is such a different place with a totally different business culture,

Is about what I was going to reply last night before going to bed.

With that being said... I have a 8 hr layover in Japan next month That I will be asking questions about the different places to meet hired guys. All my previous trips to Japan were to saunas and bars/clubs, will be my first time paying as their rate seems in line with what the end cost is in BKK these days.

I find Japan confusing and even though it has a huge public transportation system, I'm always afraid I'll miss my stop or leave the wrong exit and get lost...I often wonder if this is how tourists feel in NYC.

[Keithambrose]

16 minutes ago, floridarob said:

Is about what I was going to reply last night before going to bed.

With that being said... I have a 8 hr layover in Japan next month That I will be asking questions about the different places to meet hired guys. All my previous trips to Japan were to saunas and bars/clubs, will be my first time paying as their rate seems in line with what the end cost is in BKK these days.

I find Japan confusing and even though it has a huge public transportation system, I'm always afraid I'll miss my stop or leave the wrong exit and get lost...I often wonder if this is how tourists feel in NYC.

I found that once you work out the Tokyo subway system,  it's very good. Everything now is also in English, and the directional signs at the stations are excellent. 

 

When I first went to NY, you still had the  3 different subway operators, IRT, BMT, and IND, often with separate entrances. This made the stations and signs very confusing, and the Subway map was a classic, in successfully confusing you! I still  have one of those maps from 1978. Now, things are much better, I think,  though there are  still some issues.

 

I also wonder why the NY Subway cars are built to provide maximum  internal noise! I wonder if they  leave all the screws loose, to achieve  maximum rattling?  Tokyo Subway trains are a pleasure, by comparison.  

[floridarob]

4 minutes ago, Keithambrose said:

When I first went to NY, you still had the  3 different subway operators, IRT, BMT, and IND, often with separate entrances.

Was it like this?

[NoNameFanBoy]

4 hours ago, Kiwi306 said:

Just to make clear, you absolutely do not have to buy drinks for anyone, apart for yourself, at the bars, unless you choose to. 

I have never heard of anyone skipping the massage. I had a massage at Arena today before a handjob, and I actually felt revitalized afterwards. 

Ahh gotcha! Yeah the way she was talking was as if it was mandartory. 

[Keithambrose]

2 hours ago, floridarob said:

Was it like this?

Oxen, not horses.

[NoNameFanBoy]

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Normally when I see a post that opens this way, effectively saying "I don't want to do the work, so I ask you to do the work instead, giving me the answers" -- I won't bother to reply. You would also have noticed that other members are also relatively quiet. However, I see that you have contributed trip reports before (from Japan) and I will give you some credit.

But I can't yet answer your question(s) because there are too many pieces of vague-ish information in your post. So, if you will clarify these, you may get more specific responses. But a word of advice: please do not bring Japan into the discussion -- it is such a different place with a totally different business culture, it can only confuse the conversation (and your own expectations).

 

No one is inclined to help me. I just made the post seeing as how friendly I assume people were in the forums. I did do and will continue to do my own research. So apologies if this post is an inconvenience. 

Im willing to clarify anything that's not clear. Japan was only brought up to ask about if something existed. It wasn't to say anything more than that. 

 

 

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What do you mean by the term "regular club"? And what do you mean by "more than that"? In another paragraph, you used the word "bar". Do you mean the same thing? In your speech, are bars and clubs interchangeable terms for the same type of establishment?

By regular club I mean a dance club. That's what I was under the impression when I was invited to come. They were giving blowjobs on the stage right after the drag show. So that was new and I've never experienced something like that. "Bar" was in the title of the location so please excuse the term mix up.

 

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Was that person really a female or do you mean an MTF transgender? If you can remember, just name the place. We don't know if you're referring to one of the places that members of this forum are familiar with or whether you're at some other place we know little about. We can give you advice about how to protect yourself in place we're familiar with, but if it's a place that also foreign to us, then of course our words are meaningless. That other place may well have business practices that are "normal" for them. Best to be specific about the "club" we're referring to, otherwise we may be going around in circles in the discussion.

Good Boy Bar

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If you managed to have fun in your previous visit to Thailand without ever getting a massage, why are your questions geared to "how to avoid a massage"?

You seem to be asking: How do I get paid sex in Thailand with the type of boy I like -- and I think your preference is for very slim, as-young-looking-as-possible lads -- in my hotel room without any massage activity? Must this be in Bangkok, or are you prepared to spend more time in Pattaya? At 33, you're young enough to score at the saunas -- why do you want to pay?

Yeah that's pretty cut and dry about what im asking. Id prefer Bangkok. Didn't really enjoy Pattaya. Ive never tried a sauna but have read about them, I just don't think it would be my thing. I don't necessarily want to pay but not opposed. 

 

[mima_bk]

Answer to question 3 would be just use the dating apps and the moneyboys will come to you. Thaifriendly, Grinder, Hornet, Romeo, Heesay. It is not like ordering from a Website but comes pretty close.

[mauRICE]

8 hours ago, floridarob said:

Was it like this?

Yes. @Keithambrosewas the chief foreign legal adviser to John D. Rockefeller at Standard Oil. 😅

[macaroni21]

8 hours ago, floridarob said:

will be my first time paying as their rate seems in line with what the end cost is in BKK these days.

You're absolutely right. Senso is one of the few massage places in Bangkok that charge an all-inclusive price, so it's a good barometer for comparison. Senso charges 3,100 baht for 60 minutes and 3,500 for 90 (in-house room). That's equivalent to 15,000 yen and 17,000 yen respectively, very similar to market rates in Japan.

[PeterRS]

8 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

I found that once you work out the Tokyo subway system,  it's very good. Everything now is also in English, and the directional signs at the stations are excellent. 

The Tokyo asubway nd JR sttions are all in Engish and make getting around very easy. Actual addreses are more complicated.and I always recommend purchasing a biilingual guide like this one.

[macaroni21]

I can't quite check it out on my phone, but is it a physical map that, on purchase, is delivered to one's postal box, or does it have a digital version accessed on one's phone?

[macaroni21]

8 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

also wonder why the NY Subway cars are built to provide maximum  internal noise!

And then there are (a) buskers/ beggars on the carriages, (b) mentally ill people shouting into the air... Haha. 

It's a unique experience.

Once, I even heard gunshots, but thankfully it wasn't from inside the carriage but from the street below (the track ran overground at that point).

[macaroni21]

@NoNameFanBoy re Good Boy bar, if it's any consolation, you're not the first to have your wallet exploited on your first visit (to any gogo bar, not just this one), and you won't be the last. 

By the way, we call these snake pits 'gogo bars' even though the boys don't do any gogo dancing, but the 'one-knee shuffle' as @Gaybutton describes it.

@Kiwi306 is right. You're not obliged to buy anyone drinks. The trick is to keep an unfriendly expression on your face and only smile at a boy (never smile at mamasans) when you want to invite him to sit with you. If approached by waiters or mamasans about inviting boys over, just say, "I know what to do. If I want a boy, I will let you know."

Bear in mind though, boys do not sit with you for free. If you do invite one to sit with you for 10-20 minutes, you're expected to buy him a drink, and then tip him 100 baht at the end of the 10-20 minutes.

If the mamasan or waiter smells 'newbie', he or she will try to get you to buy him/her a drink too when he or she brings your desired boy to you. Don't ever do that. Say "it's ok. I will just buy a drink for him (your desired boy)." If you buy for the mamasan, he or she will stick with you, offer to translate, but in the course of the translation, also say to the boy in Thai (so you don't know what's said) how much the boy should quote - with an extra 500 - 1000 baht built in as commission for the mamasan.

Wherever possible, do not use waiters or mamasans to invite a desired boy over. Smile directly at the boy you want and indicate with a wave of your hand that you want him to come to your seat.

There are many members of this forum familiar with Good Boy, and they are usually happy enough visiting the bar; it's not as if all customers are eaten alive the way you were. Only newbies.

Personally, I see little value in Good Boy but that is because their selection of numbertag boys are just not attractive to my eyes. Tastes differ.

[Blah]

13 hours ago, Kiwi306 said:

Just to make clear, you absolutely do not have to buy drinks for anyone, apart for yourself, at the bars, unless you choose to. 

I have never heard of anyone skipping the massage. I had a massage at Arena today before a handjob, and I actually felt revitalized afterwards. 

Just to support the OP, I also loathe massages (yes, there are people who DON'T like them).

[vinapu]

7 minutes ago, Blah said:

Just to support the OP, I also loathe massages (yes, there are people who DON'T like them).

they are very easy to avoid, just stay away  from any massage places

[daydreamer]

Yes @NoNameFanBoy, you certainly can skip the massage if you want to.  That's what I do.

I have offed massage boys a number of times using a massage shop's outcall service.  Look for the massage shops that offer outcalls in their fee menus.  It easy to communicate with the shop using the Line app on your phone.  Add the shops you are interested in as Line friends, and they will send you daily posts, showing photos of the boys available for that day.  

You select the boy you want from the Line photos of the boys available.  In addition to the Line photos, some shops will send a Google Drive link or a website address with the photos of the boys.  Many of the boys appear in the photos of several different massage shops, as many are freelancers, not working exclusively for one shop.  

The shop will tell you how much the shop fee is, and the amount for the boy's tip when you make the booking.  I think the last time I booked an outcall, it was 700 baht for the shop (massage fee), and 2,500 baht for the boy's tip.  

Often the shop will send the boy to your hotel using a Grab bike.  When the boy arrives, I let him know I don't want a massage.  I've never had any massage boy act surprised when I told them I wanted to skip the massage.  They will generally stay in your room for a couple hours.

I prefer the comfort and privacy of my room, rather than a massage shop room.  In the massage shop ads on Line, you can see a menu of fees.  For an outcall, the fee is generally about 1,000 baht more than an in shop massage.  Well worth the price to me, as I don't have to visit the shop.  Some shops will allow you to pay the fees to the boy, and some will want a bank transfer in order to make a booking.  Just ask on Line, and they'll tell you how you can pay.  

Look for the shops that show the massage boy body stats.  Those shops usually offer full service (sex), and often they state if the boy is gay or straight in their photos.

I suspect the shop managers know a customer booking an outcall will often skip the massage, as I've never been asked when making a booking what type of massage I want, the type of massage oil, or how long for the massage to last, ie 1 hour, 1.5 hour, etc.  

The cost quoted for a hotel outcall will include round trip transportation for the boy.   It is actually no more expensive for a massage shop outcall than offing a boy from a Patpong bar for short time, and sometimes less expensive.  No drinks, no off fee, and no mamasans.

 

[Enchanted_Elixir]

There’s a difference between massage places that locals classify as S or SS (soft and super soft), and H (Hard). Only the last type of place will penetration be on the table. In S/SS shops the emphasis is on the massage and extras are an added bonus. The massage shop fee is usually higher. Skipping massage in such places doesn’t make a lot of sense. They won’t do outcalls either. If you are not aware of this distinction between shops you’re bound to make mistakes. You can’t ask Prestige massage for the cost of extras or outcall service for example 😂 
 

You don’t really go to the H places for massage anyway, and many aren’t trained, so the usual practice is a bit of rubbing for 15 minutes before main course begins.

H places are The Prince, Senso and Jey Spa

Or most of the Saphan Khwai shops

My recommendation: visit the gay onsens during weekends, you can have a lot of fun and make local friends. Vibes are good. Kaikan Onsen, Ryuu Onsen, Ensen Onsen

 

[macaroni21]

@daydreamer and @Enchanted_Elixir have given good advice.

Thanks for confirming that the main question is: How do I get paid sex in Thailand with the type of boy I like in my hotel room without any massage activity? 

Your best option is to book an outcall from a Type 4 massage parlour. Type 4 is what @Enchanted_Elixir refers to as H. This is the type of shop that is primarily in the sex business, with "massage" used as figleaf. In Bangkok, they would be the ones that send out lots of boy photos (sometimes with stats) and whose menu includes an outcall option.

The Type 2 shops -- they're mainly about quality massage with body-to-body or hand relief thrown in to keep customers satisfied -- may also send out photos, so it can get confusing, but if they have a complicated menu with various kinds of massage, then you can see that their primary focus is really massage.

The Type 4 knocking shops also tend to have the twinkier types you may like, but unlike Japan, you won't find many choices in the barely-legal category -- if that is your preference. The reason is simply because the Japanese market has a large customer segment that is interested in this type of boy, but not the Thai market.

15M and 27M have Willy, August and Tommy. Perhaps they're close enough to your range? Fafa may have more of your type, including twins Jack and Jew who are apparently available as a pair (not that I have tried).

A difficulty may arise from a request for a deposit if you're booking an outcall. I've never been able to accede to this; I have no advice to give. 

If a shop does not publish stats alongside photos, you can message them to ask. However, in my experience, they're not 100% accurate. 

The apps might work, but as anywhere be alert to the possibility that the photos are dated or fake, and other inaccuracies (e.g. over compensation).

The gogo bars would be your poorest option. If your type preference is narrow, you may not find the type you like in the bars. Still newish, you may continue to feel that you don't have enough control of the situation, money-wise.