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you are such time waster, lol

those are two out of 202 jurisdictions in the world and fundamental differences between them exist. From our own backyard - you may have sex with your boyfriend in Los Angeles and it's just sex. Do the same in Kampala or Riyad and you may be dangling from the gallows.

that's my trademark, didn't you notice ?

as they say where I was born "hungry always thinks about the bread"

I can live with that ............... not being legal expert I think you are too attached to Anglo-Saxon legal stem of common-law. A lot of countries don't use it and they if statute says something is a crime , it's a crime. I doubt OJ Simpson saga would work in say, Europe with opposite outcomes in criminal and civil lawsuits.

no , I had other , non-Asian country in mind

I'm always amazed that people can drink that like gin was never invented ....... It's mamasan.s job to be pushy so learn to ignore them or tell them you like the girls, they will not believe you but get a subtle f...off message in Moonlight there are two categories of guys, models and floor boys. Floor boys are those who usually sport numbers indicating they are available. Of fee 500. Some floor boys are better looking than some models IMNSHO Models have their own parade and are introduced by the name , off fee 1000. Tip expected may be steep Since you like both Jupiter and Moonlight you may be interested to know that Moonlight is in old Jupiter's location before they moved to soi 4.

Like JackR said above don't get discouraged by bad experience. It happened to all of us , even very experienced ones. Skill of navigating system comes only with experience and training yourself with help of what you learn here on forum. Keep in mind though we posters are showing world as we see through our lenses. Every bar and every boy in them will be either top of the line , not to be missed for some but also run for others. I said this billion times on this forum that my best and second worst encounter was with the same Tawan boy two years apart No doubt guy you offed from Screwboys acted as an asshole. As professional he sensed that you are new to the scene and skilfully milked you of money (and some other stuff I gather, as well ). Those things happed but they are rare. Sometimes we lose head in heat of the moment and ignore warning signals, sometimes we see them but still feel like acting fair by keeping our side of bargain , usually to regret it later. For me one of those is when boy or mamasan marketing him seem to be too eager or too pushy. Check your bin in the bar and don't assume you already paid for this or that. If they see you careless with money they may exploit it. If you have doubt, ask. Thais on the street are very honest bunch but inside of bars many morals are taking back seat in the corner. You seem to be surprised by advice that you should tip boy sitting with you if you bought him a drink already. Out of that drink he may get 20-50 baht , in few bars only as much as 100. In meantime you are holding him beside, scaring of other prospective customers. It's why you should tip him, at least to compensate for possible loss of earnings. You will see it for yourself, boy of your dreams sitting with some customer while you are salivating , praying that old , fat troll will go home in 5 minutes. As Spoon advised above , if you are subsequently taking boy with you, no need to tip him even if you had him sitting for prolonged time. hope it helped and have luck with Tawan guys

different countries may have different legal systems. In some offering money not to start lawsuit would be legal only before case is launched. As soon a s....t hits the fan it's crime

No, 11.45 is my usual bed time , rarely earlier. On holidays likely much later, not only in Thailand. I'm strong believer that less you sleep on vacations , longer your vacations are so often I'm terrorizing my long time companions into early 7 am breakfast. I like rise early too, there's price for it , hours between 6-9 pm are my worst and never ask me for loan at that time, decline is sure thing. After 9 I come back to life

Jey Spa is now in soi 43 , moved there from soi 41 well before covid debacle. I had always good experience there in both old and new location and I'm shocked by Oz findings. I wonder who that boy was, perhaps some new , still untrained or God forbid, some hard nosed popular veteran ?. I'm curious too, if he did not , that would be disaster as there usually it's first thing they do after closing door.

Yes it's called " dry oasis "

Time will do it's magic. I recall very well when similar idea was raised in country where my sister lives, it was met with laughs at first but after a while it caught on. First pedestrians were shocked that cars stopped, now they are shocked when they don't and this is vary rare occurrence indeed. Of course hefty penalties and their zealous enforcement sped up that implementation of that module of educating public, both driving and walking.

I think you are right 2500 for short time is quite generous considering that they even don't have bar to work in now. I wish you luck and waiting for report. I always maintain that Tawan bay was most friendly of them all and their boys were very approachable.

what? you are 85 already?

not as easy as Bangkok, Pattaya is rather twink kingdom but you will find some hunks in BoyzBoyzBoyz, Dreamboys and Xboys. Forget about Sunee but in passing I saw few hunky guys in Jomtien too.

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he won't be feeling bad because 1500 is generous tip anyways but chances are he will mention that last time you gave 2000 and may ask whet is wrong. Happened to me with boy in Maha massage soi 6, bit of awkward situation. Me being me answered plainly ' nothing wrong with you but with me, I used to be generous but now I'm stingy" . That sufficed for explanation and even generated smile

specially Tom of Finland I guess

Long time I'm big fan of is not for everybody though. You and boy must be both comfortable with each other and higher amount of trust is required. After all each one of you is with stranger during possibly deep sleep stage. At times you may sense that boys may show some hesitation I tell them always that long time is till breakfast and it's mine breakfast , not theirs, even if it's my habit always offer them a breakfast as listening to my snoring may be hunger inducing. In exchange nothing beats waking up to a warm body beside or even better wrapped around me. If boy will start making excuses in middle of the night that he needs to go outside because is hungry or needs to smoke, no sense to chain him but definitely not a time to pay him agreed fee. Give them your short time rate and point that rest of tip they get in the morning - chances are they wont return and really - you don't want them to with such an attitude. Try not to go long time with boy you are taking for first time as chances are you guys ay not be compatible. That is proper attitude instead of getting bitter feeling you are ripped off. Costly lesson with that Screwboy though.

I rarely do short time preferring massage to that but in Bangkok I would not pay more than 2000 unless guy is already time tested by me then I may throw 500 more. There are few guys I paid more but those were long short times 3-5 hrs but those are exceptional specimens either body or chemistry wise. Long times 3000-5000 which is my upper limit for tip , 3500-4000 most common. Only once I paid 6000 but that way kind of good bye send off as I decided not to off him again even if I did many times in the past. Instead of haggling down I decided to part ways on generous side. In Pattaya 1500 st , 2000, sometimes 3000 LT

I'm not interested in Songkran this year but when combing through that Grindr just for fun I noticed that most visitors in BKK are declaring they will be leaving on 16th or 17th , so my guess is the same like reader's above. Reliable sources in the know are saying that soi 4 is water dry area in that period

it's always in the past. Wait till 2030 and you will hear 2024 , that was a year!!! Cheap drinks and off fees at 500, and long time tips paltry 3000-5000. And nobody will mention that baht was 36/ USD in 2024 , not 136 as now

no compassion here from me. Smell is one thing but more important is discarding improperly extinguished cigarette. Behavior also not fair to other smokers who manage somehow to hold on indulgence until deplaning

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