Up2u
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On 3/11/2021 at 11:41 AM, Ruthrieston said:
Sorry to tell you that Akvavit shut down many months ago and shows no sign of reopening (Jomtien beach road, yes?). My two favourites are Natan's, opposite Jomtien Complex, on the road down to the beach, and Au Bon Coin. My favourite Italian was Carpaccio, opposite Natan's, but sadly that closed a couple of months ago.
Carpaccio has been replaced with an Indonesian restaurant called Trindy's. Very popular when it first opened; good food, hope it's a success.
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There are also pro-democracy demonstrations scheduled for Pattaya.
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2 hours ago, gerefan said:
We are starting to see demonstrations around the world against all these Covid restrictions and they will only get more vocal. Thailand included.
In years to come it will be seen as the worlds worst own goal.
The Media is the Virus.
Like HK, demonstrations in Thailand will be young people yearning for democracy and nothing related to covid pandemic. The right wing demonstrations remind me of the smoking wars debates. I have a right not to wear a mask (i.e.; no you don't) or I have a right to smoke as I please . As I told friends, your right to smoke ends at the tip of my nose and you have no right to spread a serious or deadly disease.
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600 facing quarantine after Thailand’s first locally-acquired COVID infection for 100 days
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Leading Walking Street business owners warn of “total collapse” of tourism industry in Pattaya if Thailand has no foreign tourists for another 3-6 months
I ran this topic by my bf and the Thai lady that runs a travel agency in our condo (Pattaya). The resiliency of the Thai people and the patience always amazes, just ride out the storm seems like the appropriate metaphor, no matter how long it takes.
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5 hours ago, Up2u said:
Covid-19 deaths from the IMHE model. This model is used by the White House and has historically understated the deaths.
I found the link.... (IMHE = Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation)
http://www.healthdata.org/covid/estimation-updates-united-states
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2 hours ago, vinapu said:
that 410 000 is predicted total or on top of what normal rate of death is ? Honest question
Alarmed by virus menace we tend to forget that people are dying daily for various reasons and at this time unfortunately many because they can't obtain timely care since most resources are going to combat Covid.
Covid-19 deaths from the IMHE model. This model is used by the White House and has historically understated the deaths.
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7 hours ago, anddy said:
On the danger of Covid, I can't help but feel that it is much less of a menace now when I look at some simple numbers for France (which I did because some friends wanted to travel there, weren't sure but then decided to go):
- daily new cases about the same as at the height of the crisis & lockdown in March
- active cases actually THREE times as many as then 150k vs 50k)
- but (almost) nobody dies from it any moreI admit I haven't looked at any other countries, just France for the given reason, but I find that very striking.
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France is spiking in recent days and don't forget Spain.
Reading the various forums, I note there are are many posters giving advice to Thailand on how to deal with the virus. Looking at their own country's track record on managing (or lack of) the virus they lack any credibility. Shortly, flu season will arrive in the northern climates and with it predictions of another covid wave. In America, a forecaster the White House uses is predicting 410,000 deaths by Jan 1 with a worst case scenario of over 600k. Think of that, hundreds of thousands of lives needlessly lost because of government mismanagement and selfish people not wearing masks and following well established guidelines. Thailand got it right; and one wonders who is the third world country, Thailand or my home country? Trust science, be patient, vaccines will be here shortly and we'll all be traveling again.
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8 hours ago, Keithambrose said:
I have a booked flight to Bangkok in October with Finnair. I get regular emails from them saying how they are flying to the Far East. No hint of cancellation of the flight. I will cancel anyway, as no chance of getting in.
Let them cancel the flight, that way you will get a full refund without any hassles.
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2 hours ago, Londoner said:
I have just been talking with my boyfriend in Kamphaeng Phaet....it seems that coverage of the demonstrations on Thai media is very limited.
A government that could ban DMC TV as subversive (if only!) will certainly not flinch from eliminating the students from the national consciousness.
Or even eliminating the students.
I know khaosod news has been forced to remove articles about the demonstrations. The ultra-royalist will not share power and I only hope my fears of an unforgiving government and violence do not come true. Btw, for those who wish to follow the developments the https://www.khaosodenglish.com/ provides far more insight than the kowtowing Nation or Bangkok Post. Also Scottish journalist, Andrew MacGregor Marshall, banned from Thailand posts on FB and Twitter and is no friend of the government/junta.
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10 hours ago, Boy69 said:
Prayut is certainly not the most liberal democratic leader in the world but he stabilised the politic situation in Thailand wlafter the military coup against the corrupted Taksin sister Yingaluk , The economy improved (till the Corrona era of course) and he manage to control the virus situation very well with very low infection cases .
Do not conflate a successful and public support for government covid-19 response and policy with economic recovery and anything that resembles democracy. Prayut is a dictator that serves at the pleasure of you know who. If HK style protests lead to Prayut's "dismissal" then we should all become acquainted with the name of ultrar-oyalist, Army commander-in-chief General Apirat Kongsompong.
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On 8/13/2020 at 7:46 AM, reader said:
Ten different international carriers are accepting bookings from NYC to BKK on Oct. 2. (lowest price $452 RT)
Is it possible that they know something we don't?
Not really. My buddy plays this game with United and EVA. They let you book RT ticket but a week or two before travel dates they cancel (with the option of full refund or change dates). This has happened five times during covid-19 crisis.
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7 minutes ago, spoon said:
............ And the most frustrating effect of covid to most of us here is not able to go to thailand.
It works both ways. I am in covid-19 free Pattaya and cannot visit family in covid California for Xmas.
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7 minutes ago, vinapu said:
no, she decimated 1/4 of affected population, by grace of God we are very , very far from such a calamity with that weakling Covid-19
I hope you are right but we must not forget history and only have to go back 100 years and study the Spanish Flu. Four waves and it mutated over several years and killed 50 million and 675,000 Americans. We are still in first wave and some are forecasting 300,000 by November. Just think flu season isn't even here.
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12 hours ago, vinapu said:
still hundreds of millions are alive and feeling well in both countries
One could say the same thing about the Black Death.
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7 hours ago, Londoner said:
No one should be surprised that those of us separated from people (or places) we love should clutch at straws. It is entirely natural, even for pessimists like myself. Nor am I surprised that some expats on different forums have been regaling us with stories about how wonderful it is for them in our absence...empty roads, numerous guys desperately seeking falang assignations, no Chinese tour buses clogging-up the roads, no motor-bike racing up Soi Yensabai. Heaven!
But let's face it, some expats have never liked us much. After all, we drive up prices by over-paying at go-go bars; as one expat said many years ago, if it wasn't for tourists , an off would still be 500 bht. "Two-week Charlies" was his description. Fair enough; some of us had jobs to go to back home.
However, I could do with just a tad less smugness. There aren't enough expats to keep the scene alive; not just bars and massage joints but even the availability of mbs on hornet and Planet Romeo. Accordingly, I'd welcome a little more sympathy or at least an understanding that separation is painful; that some of us haven't seen our partners for many months and have little chance of doing so for the foreseeable future.
One further observation; expats may be enjoying life at the moment but there are locals dependant on charitable food donations- many not only miss tourists but need us to feed their families. Perhaps a realisation that Pattaya expats themselves feed off tourism, directly or indirectly- indeed, if it were not so, why would expats have chosen Pattaya to live in the first place? And furthermore that, however happy they are in their virus and tourist -free environment today, others people, both falang and Thai, are hurting?
I think you are being a tad bit hard on us expats here. I always enjoyed the high season here especially seeing my friends who are making their regular holiday visits. I miss them terribly and anxiously look forward to their visits again. Yes, us old farts gripe about the Chinese tourists and their buses, and complain about our favorite beach chair being taken but that's all part of the fun of getting old.
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23 hours ago, vinapu said:
nothing scientific, having nothing to do with Thailand and not even proper statistic sample but still telling :
Yesterday we all cousins with extended families where applicable decided irresponsibly to get infected , get sick and subsequently die so we gathered for a barbecue , our first such gathering since Christmas Day 2019. 22 of us aged 5-83 , all of sound mind if that can be said about my family at all.
Of course we discussed virus and subject of reopening our local economy as quite a chunk of it is in one way or other still restricted. We were quite surprised by what we found and all opinions expressed were pretty firm.
4 primary and high schoolers in favor of returning to school in Sept
6 working in part time or gig jobs wants to loosen restrictions broadly and ASAP including 2 university students and 2 people receiving quite generous here temporary assistance and 1 retiree still working part time.
7 people in steady and rather well paid jobs ( including not working wife on one high earner)wants to keep things closed or restricted until it's all over
and the same for 5 retirees, 3 with generous and other 2 with just basic pensions.
It was actually one of our high schoolers who noticed first that responses are very related to how secure our incomes are and one side doesn't understand the other.
I both empathize and am disappointed with some opinions of your informal family poll. My family who ( I cannot visit because of covid-19) would poll differently. My family is much smaller and consists of doctors, teachers and their children. Because of covid-19 they would shut down economy again AND do it right this time. Schools closed with no reopening ; however my nephews schools will reopen shortly for on-line instruction only. With the USA case load rising and deaths at 160k and rising I simply cannot understand why some people (other than Trump) want to reopen the economy (despite financial concerns). After all it was re-opening prematurely that got America in its current predicament.
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Assuming you have already seen IconSiam then the new MRT line will offer new experiences. The new Sanam Chai station is fabulous and let's you explore Chinatown. Both the new MRT and BTS lines offer new shopping opportunities (new Megamalls too) not known to most tourists.
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When do you expect to be in Thailand next ?
in Gay Thailand
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Some more perspective. Maybe we can travel to Thailand sooner than thought. My doctor in Pattaya said I could get the vaccine jabs in May or June with the anticipated opening of the AstraZenega plant here. Private hospitals can purchase vaccines on their own so Moderna and Pfizer should be available in August. Can't wait.
https://www.nationthailand.com/news/30404871