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My apologies as this is not what I meant. Perhaps i should express it better . What i meant is that as moderator you have better options of shaping debate than other members for example by locking thread. Nothing wrong with that but being in charge is just that , being in charge.

possible as bar may set some tip policy and mat expect boys to stick to minimum set by bar - definitely few times Dreamboys boys told me that. On apps they are on their own and more responsive to market forces but that may mean not necessarily less. Boy in demand may decide to cash in on his new popularity. for me is not issue what they demand and expect. I don't expect them to sell their charms for pittance. It's how they get about that is what counts. Boy asking for more I'm willing to pay is not my enemy as i know how markets work but I expect them to think that way too. None of us is under obligation to enter contract but is expected to keep each side of bargain when deal is sealed.

correct, that's Nicky I visited bar last night. Tam was still absent but all other models were there with Babe's smile lightening the bar. Surprisingly for Friday bar was not packed , perhpas 2/3 full if that much. Sunny was booked by mid-aged Chinese lady so my hopes went in smoke but at least extracted his smile when I tucked 100 baht into his boxers. Not sure they went together though as they were still sitting when I left. Fluke, guy with tattoo on his right shoulder was booked from beginning by some asshole but fast thinking and acting farang. He must be very popular because even when thy were leaving mamasan came to tall him that somebody is interested in him but he kept his deal and marched with his farang no doubt to somebody's envy. But I couldn't care less since it was me , that farang. All alizizou said I confirm , great guy, nothing intimidating about him but he is great specimen of male beauty and was actually happy when I told him he looks like real man. 'yes , me man ' he said. Somebody is taking great care in selection of employees there. Even least attractive go-go to my eyes was attractive enough to consider offing him in hour of need. Shining star for me from regular guys is # 15, six packed , lean and muscular, was offed early and returned to the bar hour or two later , not sure he got second off but he is one to be snatched as soon as he is on the stage. Super handsome and very manly face too. Great night yesterday, see what happens today , Fluke expressed desire for repeat, no doubt he must be impressed with me as much as I'm with him, LOL. Nicky asked me about tonight as well and # 15 can't be wasted on somebody sending him back in 1.50 hr. Great entertainment but unfortunately on very expensive side but at least I have feeling of getting my money's worth. It looks that almost overnight Moonlight become # 1 bar in BKK , drink price 350 , second one 250/ personally tested, don't even ask me when I had second drink in bar last time so it says something /

It why I like self service and rarely enlist mamasan's help. I agree that watching those guys, not only models but even regular go-go's at Moonlight is worth a price if admission. I will see what I can do for you and hope it cheers me up as this trip is not going particularly well with fortunate exception of first two nights in Bangkok.

Twink or not, I like guys of my height or taller rather than shorter then me.

I think his nick is Sunny, certainly he is on my short list beside guy I already offed and Fluke, we'll see what happens. yes definitely he is best dancer and gymnast of all of them.

I'm happy for your Mom but that they are doing that is outright scary. In thirties 5 years will not make much of difference but it's usually not a story in nineties. One of hardest parts of dealing with aging parents was for us to persuade my mother than dad should stop driving as it was really nerve wrecking. Unfortunately only getting involved in accident did the deed. And even that not right away.

I noticed it another day and thought 'what a name for hotel ? 'snore ' ? and only than realized my mistake

this may be a case as I was for 00.30 show. I agree that boys are good looking , not necessarily everybody's type which is a case with every boy including Tawan hunks, Moonlight models and Winners skinnies, but good looking with handsome faces guys there are. And at least one mamasan , tall and handsome, is offing material as well , as long as I can see . that's first of that quality I saw in Thai bars

not only in Bangkok, I'm in Pattaya now and noticed to my great displeasure that boys in Boyztown main soi all of the sudden become much more demanding and to my even greater surprise seem to stick firmly to their requests and if you don't yield are not shy to label you stingy and give you contemptuous look next time they see me. I was there just in Jun so novelty of situation is quite shocking for me in such a short span of time Will report in due course.

Perhaps last thing we need here is another heated discussion about other peoples spending patterns. Scooby I like you very much but as moderator perhaps it's better if you don't take sides in our discussions as that may stifle debate out of fear of crossing you. This is at least, right or wrong, what I think.

Finally somebody said it loudly and in orderly manner.

Correct but probability of loneliness in foreign country is higher than at home, particularly with friends departing to eternity and other changing company to new models. Certainly we are talking about very personal decision and this each must consider based on his unique situation. Success stories not necessarily will be ours and on another hand neither somebody's bad luck will be transferred to us. This is how that thing 'life' plays it's games. I know quite a few farangs happily retired in Thailand but have full understanding that I took a plunge their luck would not necessarily transfer to me so I opt for my 4 seasons and staying in the cold for half year.

I think we are on the way to derail this thread to which derailment I admit I contributed big time so gentlemen , away with Michel and his David and back to Moonlight theme.

Cost of living and health care should be main consideration. For most people both are depleted over time and when we retire we usually lose that from our sight thinking we will be as healthy and well of as we are in day of retirement. Lots of unsmiling and slowly walking farang here in Pataya at the moment although no shortage of happy elderly farangs either

I plan to retire in my own place, all seniors need - family and fruends, pharmacy , doctors , hospital, senior residence and even cemetery are all in close proximity. And if I feel urge to change scenery , airport is very short ride away, like 10 minutes.

I think you as older then me better remember those times

While there's no doubt in my mind that islamophobia is alive and kicking in Western societies , I can't escape seeing that those days Muslims are persecuted and decimated mainly by other Muslims , Darfur, Boko Haram, butcheries of Syria and Yemen, list is quite long. If in 21 century there are still countries where apostasy is hanging offense must be something wrong with those countries or 21 century or both

Off fee is 500, not 800. Personally tested and paid , proof still sleeping walking distance , like 2 steps or so from me. Boy's drink 350 . Short time fee expected 2000, truly Bangkok level . I wish them luck, show quite interesting, not lady boys singing part, but visiting boys with quite a tool only thinly veiled with transparent briefs. I think those are the sane boys who are performing at Dreamboys, no idea if they are offable although if yes , I'd have at least one candidate. Asked why boys are fully dressed, this is what boss likes was the answer, so who pay the piper , makes a tune. Question is who will be paying , 3 Farangs And few Chinese it was all who attended last night 0.30 show Boys as said, masculine and good looking mid twenties which happens to suit me very well

Visited them for the show yesterday, it looks that show performers are external force but did good job , lots of flesh display. Old drummer number with a twist - boys are visiting you with a drum when circulating audience and you can actually drum your own tune using boy's tool. Go-go's next door types , no fem in sight, quite a few manly faces so it looks bar got new extension on the life.

I'm currently conducting scientific experiment to see if such a foray makes sense at all and results so far are promising. Great essay above Scooby and you are right about almost everything although I don't think sex turists are that small minority . Enough to see id immigration lines , lots of men travelling in them and Pattaya streets are teeming with the same types. I venture to say , very few of them came for food or culure and even less fot sun nad sand. On ever contentious and popular subject of expenses I'm sometimes surprised that the same poeple are ballistic about tips being over board and market rates but on another occasion happy to discuss merits of choices of expensive accommodations and exen more expensive food options. Christian PFC is often criticized for being frugal but at least he is consistent which can't be said about those comparing Dusit Thani to Crowne plaza but screaming that 2000 short time tip is racket amd extortion ruining market for others.

reminds me bumper sticker I saw " If you live like God don't exist, you'd better be right"

Great analysis of accommmoadation needs for first time traveller by Pong above. I'd move it to timeless forum

For me is easy - twink is type of boys I don't like look of due to insufficient body mass. Doesn't mean that I don't utilize thier attributes and if somebody is in doubt should spy on me last night. Went home with six packed twink, yes , no contradition here

yes , it looks firmly that best way of landing in jail in South KOrea is to become president there.