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and that's the proper attitude -use all your opportunities with both hands instead spltiitng hair in four to find the best deal

you wasted perfect opportunity to survey short time rooms in the Suriwong hotel. LOL Butr there's always next day although often when we return to pick up such dream boy day or two later it turns he is gone or absent

I have the same impression, my theory for my personal use is that when going there adrenaline keeps me running in first few days, on return that factor doesn't exist

relax , wiliewillie means XBoys and Dreamboys Patttaya, not soi Twilight

confirms theory that if there's fun in the bar , clients will come

too bad I'm not of proper age , I'd make a bundle because this is how I gulp my drinks- in one go, no tip necessary, LOL on another hand I find practice you described repulsive - is kind like forcing unaccustomed buy to get drunk fast will all consequences.

that's the logic we often employ when we travel. We have no problem paying say 3000 baht for taxi from Heathrow to the London because this is what price is ( no idea if that's correct, it's just an example ) but we will scream bloody murder if driver in Bangkok would ask for 600 for the same distance and travel time because we know that price should be 1/2 of that not considering that we still have 1/5 of price we are willing to pay somewhere else. I try to remember that on my trips specially when comes to meals and transportation, whoring is another matter but no, I'd not pay 5000 baht for hour of fun anywhere preferring to wait until I get to Thailand and blew the same for the whole night / drinks and off fee included. It's why an index like in original post is of great help although some people may consider factors other than monetary like length of flight or need to justify to family and friends frequency of Thailand visits.

when downing one shot earns 1000 baht , 3000 for 3 hours doesn't sound outrageous, LOL I think that figure , 3000 ST it was just fishing for naive farang. I had my share of excessive quotations but even stunners weren't that greedy. have fun and please keep us posted

have fun and keep us posted please

contrary to popular belief both people and places without facebook page are still exiesting

and that continues long into night, few weekes ago when there I picked up boy from Question Mark bar perhaps at 3 a.m. and there;s no shortage of choices

that is understandable and numazu stated clearly that " Your Monger Index may be different." all boils down to how one goes about hiring suitable boys , how much they are tipped and how tips compare to charges local boys if any are requring. I for one don't have those problems since I whore only in Thailand and I don't spent much energy on financial issues . If I have money I go and off boys like there's no tomorrow, If I don't, I stay home and read books. Last thing I want to do on vacation is licking candy through the glass and depriving myself of life's small pleasures just because budget issues.

according to chart above cheapest 1 hr is 900. No idea about how business goes there , only guy manning the till knows but traffic is light I presume, I was there few weeks ago on Friday afternoon and was only client in the lobby, wouldn't happen 5 years ago. Still boys are as good looking as before and none of them looked starving or something and guy massaging me was made of dreams

Beauty of Bangkok is that such a view can be had for free almost everywhere

and that sums it all neatly

You are genius ! Managed to have post with all those numbers and figures to be still vivid and entertaining. Enjoy your travels !

and Tawan

I'm thinking along the same lines but figured out for my own use that if I need to economize I'd shed cheap massages and offing unknown boys in favor of overpaying known quality. This was not a first trip when I noticed that most expensive meetings were also most enjoyable. #10 from Winners was noble exception. It's actually good news as it means that I got what I paid for , capitalism at work. Advantage of offing known quality is also fact that one doesn't need to buy any drinks - I come , wave boy over, pay off fee and off we go discuss municipal elections in Timor Leste

no need to get robbed - 1100 buys you 1.5 hr in standard room, still plenty but more reasonable. My Hero is in the same location, some boys are the same but apparently there's new owner and in comparison to days of old , place is spruced up considerably. But glass wall and boys behind the glass are still there

area is small and bars aplenty , just have slow walk and keep your eyes open and you will find what you are looking for , truckload of boys there at Jomtien.

that's novelty for me but truth is I lost 3 kg in Thailand during this trip and so far I'm still on reduced weight, LOL

I like to spend time with naked young men although my definition of young goes all the way to 35 years and rarely I have anything to do with boys younger than 25, simply I’m wired that way and 25-35 is my target as they say. May be I’m too lazy to check ID and I’m making my life easy that way ? When going to Thailand I want to maximize such time and that is a reason for my 2 massages a day. I see therapeutic benefits as well. Even if I’m generally of very good health , from time to time age shows, pain here and there, relieved by skillful massage at least for a while. I noticed also that frequent massages are helping me to rest – I don’t sleep much when there and still most days I’m rarely tired and craving some sleep. My main reason for frequent massages is that I like experience, all those wandering hands, boy’s jewels pressed against my foot or hand pretending to be resting at edge of massage bed, hard cock poking me from behind, all that massage liturgy and decorum. This is MY reason for two massages a day if not more / day 9 above = three /, other may have other motives. As for spending question while a bit nosy, it’s justified. I don’t keep day to day spending tab but have very good and accurate idea how much I spent on every trip on door to door basis, up to 100 baht accurate. It’s not difficult as flight and insurance as well as hotels are prepaid using credit card, all other expenses on my way and at destination I pay cash so it’s very easy to count what I’m taking with me plus cash withdrawals if any / usually they are on last 2-3 days even if this is not cost effective way of financing due to bank charged on both ends / minus any money I’m bringing back home / rarely from Thailand but usually from other destinations as I hate to be short of cash on vacation /. Still I’m not keen on quoting it here how much I spent for two reasons: My holidays are quite intensive with corresponding tab , look at last trip of 13 days, 1 day with one off, 5 days with two offs or massages , 6 days with three and one, day 9th with four. On day 12 I visited 8 bars and in each I paid at least my drink. Some people may balk at such extravagance and even find it tiring but I’m not flying that far to skimp on my fun. I did not like some comments related to spending ,particularly my tipping practices on my last few reports. Some people seem not to understand that is only up to spender to assess whether he got good value for his money or not. On more than one occasion what others counted as extravagant and unnecessary high I have feeling that I still underpaid considering experience ( certainly case with two meetings with M at Senso this trip ) but they were cases when I stick to minimum tip payment and still think my money was wasted. But I see validity of request to help others with budgeting so here are numbers based on what I paid. Flight and medical emergency insurance 19500 baht. Hotels 14 nights paid but only 12 used as first night I was still on my way and last night I left at 11 p.m. but paid for the whole night to have access to the room till last minute -19400 baht. Nothing extravagant with exception of 2 nights in Ambiance penthouse. Transportation negligible in great scheme of things , no limo to Pattaya , no taxi to airport. Meals , I don’t keep separate tab but I’m not great on food although treated myself and boy with dinner at mango Tree for 1730 but other than that my breakfasts were 80-200 and lunches / dinners from 200 /Salt and Pepper / to 300-350 the most including beer. I don’t think I had more than 2 meals a day any given day being energized enough by sight and feel of all those beautiful boys. Massages , from 300 /hr. in most Pattaya places all the way to 1490 / 1.5 hr at Senso, tips – I usually tip 1000 / hr , 1500 / 1.5 hr but if experience was great I was happy to add 100-500 to amounts quoted. Bar hopping , drinks from 120 if I remember at Winners all the way to 400-450 in some Bangkok bars, boys drinks the same , in some bars bit less , in some bit more. But I generally buy boy drink only if considering offing him for first time. In most bars on departure I leave 100 baht tip to best looking boy I did not off and I tip 100 each f***ck show participants if any, If I have boy sitting with me but I don’t take him , depending of how long I was holding his hands I give him 100-200. Off fee (payment to bar / massage for taking boy out ) - 400-600. Tip for the boy – Long time 1200 if you call 3-9 a.m. long time at Jomtien, through 2000 in Pattaya to 3000 and 4000 in Bangkok. Short time , from 1200 through 1500 to 2000 and 2500. Now if somebody is really interested in constructing trip budget is easy to plan activities and corresponding expenses or do what I do, just fill up pockets with money and go to have fun but monitor every day how far you are from depleting your funds. This is how I regulate my pace. Hope it helped

G-Boy is in Wall Street soi, small soi to the right of Greek Temple type building if you are looking at it from the same side of Suriwong soi Twilight is , whole 150 m from Moonlight, Ok make is 200 m

great report as always and ending with your trademark suspension but I have a question: what the hell you need all those plush elephants from Crowne Plaza for ? Don't you care for environment?

relax, at 1200 for 1.5 hr of oil massage it's still 300 cheaper than Senso but it's only 650 for 1.5 hr at Nakarat in the mouth of soi 4 so as long as we have a choice we have a chance