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you are overreacting, that's normal course of any conversation - gets derailed here and there, you talk about Rome sooner or later somebody will ask you if you saw a pope. You may be extolling charms of Grand Palace and Chao Praya river and mysterious Ayuthaya ruins upon return from Thailand but sooner or later somebody asks you if you went to Patpong. Nobody tries to take high moral ground here - we are already there.

you guys are spoiling me, thank you very , very much. Vessey is right, it takes a bit of work - fact is it took me longer to put report together than trip itself, LOL I can take criticism - I read all my reports posted here from 2013 on about twice a year, usually when I miss Thailand to a itchy point and I think they are very dry but if some like them I'm happy. I believe my report may be an inspiration for some to do this or that because I'm the same - I got a lot of ideas from reading reports on this forum and forum in general and from talking / e-mailing with our members. Few examples from last trip - visit to Dreamboys Bangkok and lodging at Baan Silom, Classrooms and D'Varee, dining at Kiss, Salt and Pepper and Das Berliner, spending 2 nights for first time ever at Jomtien Complex - all members inspired ventures. It were our members who dragged me to Winners , Nice Boys and Toy Boys, not my usual hunting grounds and I'm glad they did because I liked boys I offed from Winners ( my first ever from Sunee ) and ToyBoys. So it's good to hear some had fun reading that reports because I had fun putting it together not to mention being there to gather materials to write about, LOL I will respond to financial questions from few posts soon.

thank you, you better don't waste time on reading my report but concentrate on finishing up your you so entertainingly started.

I rather meet handsome , lower -class, brown skinned somewhat educated Issan boys who will be willing to share a night with me without any fuss and pretense.

Some finishing notes about this trip. China Eastern , even if plane was late took good, no fuss care of delayed passengers so no complains from me, hope will have a chance to use them again. Planes are newish, in flight service good and few male attendants handsome. Food too Asian to my taste but definitely edible so again no complains. Even if I was sitting at end of aircraft choices were still available which doesn’t always happens when I fly (always in the back wherever I go ). Bangkok immigration lines this time were short and airport railway station exchange counters had one of the best rates I saw this trip. In 2 weeks I changed hotels 7 times because I like, no disappointments, with The Venue , Classrooms and Baan Silom particularly good value with big rooms although none of those , neither D’Varee Baily nor Copa had breakfast included , either by design or because I did not buy such option ( D’Varee). Nantra Silom is still best budget option and I like simple furnishings. I doubt I will stay at D’Varee again because I did not like windowless room but location is excellent +. As for boys both Arts, one from BoyzBoyzBoyz ( 5 offs this trip ) and another one from Nakarat along with Boonthon from Tawan and M from Senso were true shining stars with M I had best chemistry, Boonthoon had best body and with both Arts I had most fun. There were few almost as memorable , # 10 from Winners, # 43 from ToyBoys, Ko and Kao from Copa and perhaps most handsome of them all, Dom also from Copa. With another massage by Dit from Arena he is firmly my boy most offed, including massages. Arena is by far most friendly massage place and Senso , closely followed by MyHero had most handsome boys. I did not have any disappointments although few boys could do better but at least those were ones I did not spoil with excessive tips. Nicest surprise were smiling boys at Jupiter and saddest part was absence of Bank from BoyzBoyzBoyz. What I surprised myself with was fact that I was still there when I realized how much I will miss Thailand when I return home, I think it was my first such pre-emptive feel ever. This was first trip I spent more time in Pattaya / 8 nights / than in Bangkok, not sure I will do it again as my problem there is what to do during day and with exception of Copa massages are much better in BKK. Also this was first time in Thailand I had some, mild thankfully , stomach problems. Thank you to our members biguyby, Christian PFC, aussie_, williewillie , TMax and xiluzer for finding time to meet me and for all time we spent together. Meeting and bar hopping with fellow contributors is always shining moment of any trip. As for energy I think I need to start slowing down as I had few days when I slept almost till noon which happened rarely before. Even enthusiasm can' t make up for good sleep it seems.

Day 13, the last one unfortunately. In the morning regular routine, shower and walk with boy to Foodland Patpong for a breakfast. I was surprised with his choice as he ordered some salad, not regular Asian or Buddha forbid , farang breakfast. No problem , his choice my expense, LOL. After all I invited him. Then he went to BTS and I returned to the room , if only to pick up umbrella because it was in plain view that rain will start very soon and it did. Armed with umbrella I took BTS to a National Stadium and then to Bangkok Arts and Culture Center to see “Caravaggio, opera omnia “ exhibition of high tech copies of his paintings I tried to visit on my first day but it was closed then. Very interesting , in particular that I remembered some of those from St Luigi Franchesci / spelling ? / French church in Rome. Spent there good two hours , enough to outwait rain as it turned out. Then to internet café in Silom to check out for my fight , on long hauls I like aisle seat at end of aircraft and even if I booked it when bought a ticket I wanted just to be sure I get what I want. Next stop planned was Asiatique so jump on BTS to Saphan Taksin where I learned that free boat starts only at 4 p.m. so I used it as excuse and left visit there for a next trip. Immediately I decided that seeing again Art at Nakarat massage will result in my time being better spent and on approach I saw him already beaming smile seeing me walking so all I need was only a gesture and we walked up to a reception where Art suggested 1.5 hr massage fore 650 which was very good sign that he was as happy with yesterday’s session as I was. I mean I was w happy with session and he was happy with tip. I was treated by room with the bathtub, upscale setting for upscale service and even more upscale in terms of beauty, boy. I like 1.5 better than 1 hr because it leaves more time for both massage and that second part, both of them were excellent plus. But even if they wouldn’t be that boy is one of those few I’d be happy to tip just for holding hands with him - highest standard on my scale. Fact is , indecent stuff notwithstanding , that after two session with him pain from my upper right shoulder seem to be gone for good. Gladly overtipped him hoping I future he still will be there and energized amorously I decided to kiss good bye to another gem of massage boy , hired twice already this trip – M at Senso. Short walk there and a bit of long face – he was nowhere to be seen. Mamasan told me he is with client and will be free in ½ hr but this was not an option for me today as I had some other commitments that busy afternoon and evenings. Resigned to my fate started surveying boys available – all handsome hunks but one won me with his, of course smile. Lets go for 1 hr session and as soon as we were ready to climb stairs who showed up ? M with his client. I was tempted to give my boy his tip , dismiss him and take M instead but it’s not really my style so just smiled at M , justified my betrayal by him not being there and went with Nat, originally chosen boy. Good English , he turned out to be student. Not a bad massage although a bit on light side but he had other advantages so even if I missed M big time , I was very happy with substitute. 1000 baht massage fee, 1200 minimum tip plus 100 for that smile and I was back on street realizing I’m bit hungry but fortunately on the corner of Sala Daeng and Silom was cart with banana pancakes so I ordered one immediately and while I was waiting for my order somebody pat me gently on the back. Xiluzer ! He is our member and contributes from time to time, we met many times in the past, visited many bars and massages together since we like exactly the same types but somehow never fought about the boy. I knew he is coming today and will be staying in the same hotel but still meeting by chance on busy street was a surprising treat. It turned out he just arrived and is coming straight from airport. He had some plans for next few hours and I had to meet somebody briefly in 1/2 hr. ( nothing gay nor sinister ) so we agreed to meet at 8 p.m. in my room. I went to my meeting than returned to my room to pack up my meager belongings, only thing I bought this trip to take home was refrigerator magnet and bar of tamarind soap. At 8 knock to the door and not only Xiluzer was there but also his friend L whom I met few times either. After brief chat and such happy reunion we set for Madrid Tavern for a dinner with plan to visit Jupiter after. On our way to Madrid we passed by Nakarat massage boys which gave me a chance to get last smile from Art. After dinner they wanted to see where new bars are so we went a bit circular way through Patpong 2 where my last night companion greeted me in front of Tokyo Boys but we had just a peek inside and marched to soi 4 to Jupiter. Drink price 300, paid before entry. Inside, despite early hour – it was just past 9 , pretty good crowd, lots of seats around the stage already reserved but they found us some cozy corner, drinks arrived and we started to butter our eyes with boys on display. One of them was Oud , transplant from Tawan I offed many times in the past so after joyful reunion I invited him for a drink if only to have close access to his well defined muscles. Parade of boys was not only eye candy as in the past , nice surprise for me were smiles. In the past boys kept somber and serious look, tonight lots of smiles, even I had few directed at me , no doubt due to fact I was sitting with one of them. Very pleasant evening but unfortunately just before show started at 10.45 it was time to say good bye to Xiluzer and L, Oud was already preparing for a show. Short walk to the hotel, suitcase taken, BTS to Phaya Thai and last train to the Swampy. Time to go home as this is condition to return. Fortunately long flight back was uneventful and plane landed at time scheduled on the dot. 17th trip to Land of Smiles was over.

bad idea to sleep week over, less customers , more choice of boys for you

why you care I wonder ?

now I feel better, few times I was accused of spoling market by paying 4000 baht / 130 USD / for long time i.e. all nighter to some local Thai talent, usually very well built so in comparison to 4500 baht per hour I feel I got very good deal, not that I had any doubts about it before. lol

this is what I do , go to a massage place and take best boy. When passing by places where boys are sitting outside and I see somebody I like chances are I will take him right away, there;'s nothing in book saying I can have only one massage a day. Problem with trying to check all places is that best looking boy may be gone by time all that survey is completed. That lesson applies to bars too , you see boy you like, grab him right away before I open door and do the same, snatching boy before you move

yes you can in any gay massage place , just ask captain discreetly

thank you for finding time to write here, another proof you are great story teller. We can only imagine how that reacquainting with Shan Boy worked out, LOL

flying through Shanghai earlier this month I opted for automatic gates only to see that people who went through agent were processed faster, not that I cared as I had 4 hrs waiting time anyways. I like those machine as they don't ask all those stupid questions ' where you coming from" . "what you did there" agents use to ask like it makes any difference on admission.

if somebody did it at Foodland Patpong I would be upset but at Starbucks they can have their space for as long as they want

all that bar survey was spontaneous decision for a sake of it, not for lack of suitable companions - #19 and #7 from Screwboys would do in instant. In fact in every bar was at least one whom I could off. Had night been longer I'd continue but closing times forced me to make a move, LOL I had only one case of emotional good bye and it was not even in the morning-I usually depart in dead of night, and it did not worked out well next trip as boy tried to claim ownership of me with scene when I offed somebody else. On the first night I try to have somebody new , on the last - whoever comes along , again I'm not a doctrinaire. I learned my lessons , often boy I'm dreaming to return to next trip turns up to be gone or not as attractive as my memory cherished or gave me cold shoulder. Good example was that trip reported above and first entry to BBB Pattaya. I was hoping to see certain Bank and he seems to be gone for good, Keow I had good time with in September did not seem to recall me at all even if his bar friend Art remembered and reminded him that I offed him for a whole night. Both Arts were true stars of this trip but I'm fully mentally prepared that next time , whenever it will be they may be gone or not available. I will lick my wounds and move on as always, LOL.

I like to be on the road as much as reach destination it's why my hotel hopping habit - just substitution of being on the move. Going through 8 bars like last night is not what I normally do as it it ruinous in Bangkok but it was spark of the moment decision just to utilize last night in full. Had I seen in any of them boy I'd fell instantly in the love with I'd stop all that jumping but it was fun ending in discovery completely new bar as we saw. I'm firmly in hunks camp but if suitable twink comes along I'm taking him , I'm not a doctrinaire and smile does more for me that body. I will not argue about twinks being more affectionate as there's some merit in it but most affectionate from them all I recall was a hunky hunk , long gone One from Screwboys ( refer to my Dec 2014 trip report, LOL ).

Day 12 continued Blend of unexpected visitor, family function and FIFA World Cup in Russia lead me to some interruption in narrative of day 12 for a few days. After finishing our pizzas at Madrid Tavern Christian PFC and I set for some bar tour as usual , this time our first stop was new bar G-Boy beside Wall Street Hotel in Wall Street soi , just opposite of soi Twilight. Spacious bar , only few customers but it was early. Boys almost exclusively twinks but quite a few quite easy on the eye so there’s potential there . After finishing our drinks next stop –Screwboys in Patpong 2. Quite a few clients , several boys on the stage or sitting in front of it, few still arrived during our time there so we camped there good hour even if none of us had any intention to off at that hour. Being charitable I had invited boy # 19 just for a drink and sit up with me, then #7 looked familiar and attractive so I sent #19 back to a stage and asked mamas an what is # 7’s name - Yoyo, then I knew where familiarity is coming from , in Dec 2016 I stopped in Bangkok on my way to Cambodia and he was my off on second night. It was nice to refresh my recollection of his silky skin for a price of drink and some tip and I started thinking that it would be nice to see him in the room setting tonight, my last night this trip. But in meantime we had bar hopping to continue so next stop was above – new Fresh boys located on second floor. For a time there are two Fresh Boys bars in Bangkok as original one is still in operation. Big bar but needs some time to be used fully, perhaps 8-10 boys on the stage, all twinks and only one other customer. Christian decided right away , there’s nothing for him, we shook hands for the last time this trip as I decided to stay, ordered drink and soon after show started even if were only 2 of us in the audience , 3 more customers were dragged in while later. Some lip-sync singing and quite erotic shower number with impressive tool poking out of one of performers briefs. Right after show I left heading to Classic as I, heated by three bars visited so far I decided to do survey of as many as I can tonight. Downstairs I spotted Yoyo who was heading to buy some food and immediately planted himself beside me on my way to the soi. As much as I liked to see him again bar hopping with bar boy is not my idea of fun in Bangkok specially on his agenda so unfortunately he forced me to ignore his presence although it was just in front of Classic when he finally got a message and disappeared. Dozen boys on the stage in Classic, twinks again , I recognized few familiar faces from the past and one of them stood a chance but unfortunately he did not pay any attention to my presence due to a first row of seats taken by some Chinese girls. Mamasan was trying his trick to generate an off but tonight I was firmly on bar hopping mindset to after 20 minutes or so I marched to original Fresh boys in soi Twilight passing by former XSize with boarded door and Dreamboys I visited already this trip. I had some fun with their boys in the past but none of two was in attendance tonight and boys on the stage , again all twinky types did not generate more interest than my customary 100 baht tucked into undies of one I considered most attractive, lots of those tonight with all bars visited but this is what I consider part and parcel on my bar experience in Thailand. Next stop XBoys but by passing Bangkok massage I exchanged few words , laughs and a hug with my regular from there – Namu. XBoys personnel did not generate more than passing glances from me – twink galore again , just enough to finish my drink , tip one boy and move over across and upstairs to HotMale where big cock show was in it’s finishing stage but ever since my faith in those was shaken by discovering artificial one attached to BBB Pattaya boy while ago I stopped tipping those performers unless in know them from the past. It was several customers in attendance and few offs were finalized as it was almost closing time. 1 a.m. and I’m still empty handed when comes to bed warmer tonight so I resolved to visit Screwboys again but on my way almost got derailed by another twink sitting on steps of bank who took my hand and said ‘ l go with you? “. Had he been a bit meatier and older he would stood a chance but not tonight. I thought about two boys I had sitting with me at Screwboys earlier , despite Yoyo’s antics memory of his silky skin was still warming me but all those plans were derailed on approach as just past Screwboys I noticed balloons and a sign “Tokyo Boys” never seen before so I braved in. Very small bar with only few seats actually facing bar nor a stage in the back so bit of awkward sitting arrangement but 10 or so boys on the stage looked attractive, specially one numbered 29 who was actually standing almost in front of me. Ladyboyish mamasan immediately joined me to learn that due to my saturation with drinks after such intensive survey tonight I don’t want drink but will buy one for her. Drink 380 which considering Screwboys next door is offering for 300 and has a show was priced steeply but immediately I learned that it’s their very first day of existence so was mightly thrilled I can contribute to their well being, In meantime # 29 is still standing and smiling , clock is ticking and it’s past 1 a.m. , my last Bangkok morning is approaching rapidly and I don’t even have drink to finish so waved him over, asked about long time, agreed immediately so I told mamasan I’m taking him and few seconds later loud applause was heard as she announced that new bar’s first off ever was just paid / 600, again too steep in my opinion /. It was another quite meaty boy in the audience so he got my 100 baht , in meantime my boy dressed up and we walked to my hotel where reception did not pay any attention to us waiting for an elevator. Handsome faced Cambodian turned out to be quite skinny to my liking but was tall, smile never left his face , had all other attributes well in place and turned out very warm and clingy so my last long time off this trip was very, very pleasant and due to lack of window seeping daylight in the morning turned out to be no –rush one. This is how day 12 finished.

I still carry with me "Bangkok bus guide" which in fact is just a map but I find it's indispensable to find places. I like to walk , sometimes at long distances despite of BKK heat as for me it's best way of exploring city.

my tactic is such a cases is to tell them " I like girls" and it universally works even if they know me very well from previous visits in bar - clearly signals to them you don't want to be harassed, even mamasans at Tawan where I offed dozen or so guys , most of them multiple times they get it and pull back

and we shouldn't forget most of those touts are offable and usually they are veterans of business so may quite entertaining in the room even if they are past of their prime.

Yes, still is but there are reports they are some renovations planned by the new owner so who knows, by Christmas they may be back in business

welcome to the forum all shows start between 10 and 10.45, times var by the bar. I think Hot Male show starts at 10. Touts may appear intimidating for uninitiated but they are harmless at end of day. Screwboys at Patpong has show at 1 a.m.

yes and sooner the better please and thank you for that heart warming photo of soii Twilight entry

can't agree more being great fan of them , particularly Lao labour

truth is any hotel located in that square Silom-Narathiwas-Surowong-Rama IV is unbeatable location, short walk to / from whatever we REALLY need