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is he still dead ?

but if it's well built , that's no obstacle IMHO

Thank you for an update. my heart is bleeding as out those 3 hotels in the soi I liked Cafe Royal the best, not that there's anything wrong with Copa or Ambiance. I agree , Oscars is the best host bar in soi

I must look as the last sort of an asshole because pestering mamasans are last of my bar problems. I have no problem of telling them that I tip boys only , on another hand if they behave or behaved and were helpful in the past I don't mind slipping them 50 baht here and there. Specially I have fond memories of Screwboys mamasans. But generally they rather ignore me , fully deserved treatment. I found that short " I like girls" sends signal 'leave me alone"

I tried to book some dates in March , Apr , May and Jun through Agoda and it seems working fine. But New Cafe Royal looks as closed, perhaps somebody on ground may confirm current situation

I'm firmly in long time camp and even with affinity for older, straight acting and looking boys rarely have I problem of getting boys for long time. At times they may seek permission from girlfriend or book leaving time at say , 6 a.m. because they need to walk daughter to a school Even if odd boy refuses there's always his bar friend of equal quality who will do. And they tend to stick to their side of bargain, rarely trying excuses to leave early although it happens from time to time. I don't think gay bottoms would be different. Only difference I see between two cities is that BKK boys request and expect higher tip. Others may have different experiences

I don't think it can be generalized by nationality. Performance goes by the boy and customer, not by where either one is coming from. The same boy may be gem for me and waste of money for somebody else, may dump you in the middle of bar to go with other client and year or two later given a chance for redemption may turn out to be as close to boyfriend -like performance as possible ( those following my reports my recall what I'm are talking about). So no, I don't think one nationality trumps other but at the same breath I must say I have consistent good luck with Lao boys. But it's my good luck, not a universal rule.

often speak better English

perhaps we will live long enough to see Dreamboys prices drop down

you may be unsure but rest assured , many are sure that you should !

world is changing it seems. In my long life in BKK massages I never was quoted up front anything other than massage fee and minimum tip if any. Yes , during massage issue of actual tip comes from time to time depending of subject of our exercises but up front , never so far. Not that I mind since I'm of " set price up front school " . Perhaps time to review my tipping practices as well as for massage my standard is 1000-15000-2000 for respectively 1-1.5-2 hrs regardless of standard or place, Pattaya included. Some boys get more but this depends solely on boy not the venue. I wonder which place is so progressive now, hope reader reveals. Otherwise I concur that sometimes misunderstanding come solely because of language issues so is important to observe body language of the boy in question while talking with him

cleraly very busy soi

lucky you, have fun

waiting patiently for your impressions from best city in the world

we can only hope he got that tip you left with manager

try again, I can see you posted picture but can't see picture itself. Do others have the same problem?

it depends how distant future is and how "hungry" so to speak boy will be. Sure , next night he will expect the same and may even fish for taxi money but few days later if they passed without an off he may be more amendable to a price correction although I'd take advantage of that only if in the first place he was very generously compensated. As Travellerdave noticed above it may be better to be generous and splashing on a boy we like than deprive ourselves his services just because we have habit of sticking to set rates and he wants more. Both sides may go home unhappy like last OP story shows.

well said

boys will be trying to take an ownership of you next time they see you but understand very well that it may not be successful, they are used to all those butterflies. You don't need to apologize or explain why you are not offing them tonight, it's enough if you don't propose taking them out. It may feel awkward and they may look genuinely pissed of but that the nature of their job unfortunately. And rest assured it works both ways - boy may all of the sudden tell you , all hot already, that he can't go with you tonight because he needs to go with another customer , been there. yes , boys talk and if you paid XXX baht to one they will expect the same treatment although I personally don't see anything wrong in offering less to their friends who should understand you liked other boy bit better. You did right thing in leaving them , if you feel awkward , further encounter would be chore rather than fun. Boys tried to establish higher rate, nothing wrong with it but you stand your ground and nothing wrong with it either. This is why I like to set price in advance , to avoid situation like that in the morning. Is easier to leave empty handed than trying to argue with boy in your room yes , you should tip them for their time , as one of Oscar's boys told me bluntly in September ' boys are working for baht not for drinks", after all they could be sitting with somebody else. to bad you felt intimidated by boys watching you and skipped on visiting another bar - after all those are your vacations. All in all,other then not tipping boys you did right thing.

very cruel treatment

you are hansum men, that's why. And this visible bulge in the pocket holding your wallet helped boys to focus on the task at hand.

very dignified response Denny59 can be also commended for apologizing. While it's obvious not all posts are for everybody, posters should realize that trip reports require some effort writing and negative comments of sort above should be avoided as it can be very discouraging. so all I'd be asking numazu is to keep posting and Denny59 to keep reading every second paragraph of his posts until he gets used to the music.

no harm trying but if boy said ' no' to me doubling his tip I'd assume he is not interested in whatever I want from him and this was time fr me to stop trying . You can complain about his performance as he was saying 'no' and if he was hot looking , no reason to complain. Sometimes boys are so hot looking that I'd be tempted to pay them just to undress and let me look at them but somehow they always so far turned more progressive and active than that.

doesn't sound as healthy stuff

while rates at airport railway station are very good indeed it needs to be mentioned that those booths are open only when trains are running i.e. 6-24 so all those arriving past midnight can't take that advantage. Only good news about exchanges upstairs is that no need to shop for rates as all are uniform in those. waiting for Pattaya bars installment impatiently