vinapu

I'm glad I don't have your inhibitions because I would. After all you paid for it.

You are right but not for reason you mentioned. As matter of principle I don't do that unless invited by the boy i.e. sitting beside me and taking my hand there or boy flashing goods from the scene and already observed that he is not against stepping down and allow closer inspection. And even that would be rather to re-distribute world's wealth than out of my lust as I like private things private. For the same reason / redistribution of wealth / I, by definition , tip participants of f***k show since if inclined to see one I would rather just off two willing guys and took them home for no rush performance. as for age issue, while there are older mamasans , a lot of them are still not far from stage performing years although truth to be said I rarely see them as attractive. Still, when harassed to a tip I found asking then to show me their cock effective yet friendly and business like way of shedding them off for a evening without any bad feeling. After all they see all the time how boys are earning their tips

Nothing wrong with that practice, but still I would't pay that much just to reserve a seat but others may be tempted, not different from paying for seat choice on the plane which I don't do either but plenty others do.

I have a habit of giving my leftover small change , if any , to a airport cleaners. From zillion of visits in bars I doubt that practice of tipping mamasan 100 / 200 baht is that wide spread , specially in more popular bars where crowds are arriving for the show and leaving right after and most of audience is East / South East Asians, not exactly famous for coming from tipping cultures. Not that reports about lavish tipping are exaggerated, I was witness myself of boys being tipped 1000 baht for just being on the stage, not even fully undressed, but those were boys , not waiters or mamasans.

Thank you for the update good luck for them but sooner pig will see Heaven than I tip mamasan 200 or waiter 100 unless they allow some indecent inspection of their hidden gems. 'standard tip to mamasan or waiters", fully dressed at that, it's lunacy. But if others keep bars running for us that way I can only applaud their generosity.

may be they think it's more upscale and sophisticated practice, if that's the case just wait for a price rise

unless you really into hunks you should find something to your liking, particularly at Good Boys and Nice Boys. Look at me , the hunk lover, still 3 months ago almost to the day I managed to find somebody at Winners suitable for long time off, angels and aussie_ my witness ! Everybody has own bar hopping strategy but I'm still surprised that some have those preconceived notions about this or that place and don't look inside by definition while in fact nice companion may be found everywhere. Boy may be too big to one's liking but may have charming smile and be more accommodating that his look conveys. The same with twinky honorary skeletons , body mass may be lacking but again smile , enthusiasm and warmth not to mention technical excellence may be there. This is not song of praise of Sunee only as it's about all venues in Pattaya , Bangokok and elsewhere , rather encouragement to shed preconceived notions about this or that, worst what may happen it that we just get confirmation of what we know already at the price of drink.

that was the beauty of Silom. My nightmare is that one day some modernizer will order all those massage and bar boys and girls to hide behind closed door of their venue and then we will have nothing but empty pavement to admire - most of us have plenty of that at home.

I for one, hate this new, somewhat sanitized Silom, thank God there's still some color in the evenings and at nights

nothing stops you from behaving decently in Sunee bars, have your drink, watch the boys on the stage, invite one or three to sit with you but keep your hands above their waistline and you have your decent fun. Sunee boys are not my type at all but I still visit at least some of those bars every trip. Do yourself a favor and visit next time , only way to have well founded opinion.

congratulations on finding your treasure

I guess it's our way to bribe members to post

I discovered when bar hopping that taking tea of coffee where on the menu eases up saturation with all that drinks. When completely full I order drink for mamasan instead of me, that way bar has business , mamasasn is happy and I'm less waterlogged as you neatly described.

then you may wish to study Christian PFC blog, he is master of finding such places

that the beauty of forum like this,people are bringing their own ideas, warnings and recommendations which we can utilize if inspired. I doubt I ever stay in Nantra Silom and Raya if not xiluzer, at Classrooms and Baan Silom if not z909 , I learned about Madrid Pizza from ChristianPFC, biguyby showed me Salt and Pepper and Das Berliner, abang recommended Kiss , firecat pointed at Boat Bakery , paulsf showed me joys of sitting in Hot Male downstairs and 1MoRussian told me about now defunct S52 Massage in Sukhumvit soi 52. I learned here about Banana Club and Senso and Bank of Thailand Museum. And I'm sure many of us could draw similar list.

Ayuthaya and Kanchanaburi are easy day trips from BKK, Ancient City ( Muang Boran ) in Samut Prakan is even easier. Did you visit Snake Farm across the street from BBB INN ? Two different shows , often overlooked. Since you are heading next week , bring umbrella , reports are it's raining a bit now

no need to be defensive, you can spend money way you like and that's none of our business , it's just use of word 'reasonable' which prompted me to comment . Imagine somebody ( me ?) putting in print " I paid reasonable 4000 for his long time with me" . Crucifixion at the ready for spoiling market for others !

Blessed are those who can call 1350 reasonable meal price for their wallets will be always full .

although not a joke for Mr. Ibrahim

Hi abang how are you doing, hope all is OK , it's more than month since you posted last time

wow, delicious report and I wish it was longer, actually after reading last part I re-read all days from the beginning to get better grasp of which boy is which. We are waiting patiently for your next report. Have a nice trip to Beijing.

good luck with your adventure, if you can arrange that way, go for it but first make sure boy in question is interested in

the same credibility like putting Anwar Ibrahim in jail for sodomy I guess

I'd be careful to assess if boy is really interested in all my sightseeing and if he is not , better not to drag him along as apart from food issues it may be another reason for unhappy face. I took my Pattaya boy to Muang Boran / Ancient City / in Samut Prakhan giving him previously clear choice of going or not, he decided to go but after perhaps 2 hours ( site is vast and can consume good part of day ) he become clearly bored and disinterested to a point I was considering sending him home with taxi, which was handy because one we grabbed from street was driving us around the site as well. For the sake of world peace and due to debilitating heat I gave up and we returned to the hotel. Day or two later he expressed an interest with going with me , xiluzer and his friend to Grand Palace and this time I was firm. When he had enough I just told him I will see him in 2 hrs in a restaurant I pointed to on the site, gave him some feeding money and proceeded to survey the rest of compound alone. Bangkok boy in Pattaya , when we went to Ko Larn thought I'm kidding when I told him I want to climb the hill with Buddha foot but again I did not show any mercy leaving him waiting for me in a shade by the temple below with 100 baht for drinks and went my way. If Spoon's country in question is Cambodia and he would be inclined to , say, walk around the walls of Angkor Thom with boy I'd made sure his driver is following them in a distance or even better waiting at every next gate ( there are only 5 in full circle ) very valid question and one of those cases of ' however you turn , your ass is always behind" . We don't want to hurt boy's feeling by showing we lock all in sight but like to keep our possessions safe and intact as well. This is where trust in human decency and belief in humanity comes handy and one needs to take a plunge. In my case of Pattaya boy it was tested right away, safe in my room at Nantra did not work. I just play along, keeping money where it was / some in my garments , rest in my luggage / and not a penny was missing even if apart from him I had 2 other boys there on different nights. My advice will be to travel with boy at least known from previous engagement, hopefully more than one ( I offed both my travelling boys long time more than once before I took them with me ) and boy should be from massage or bar so at least there's some place we can go and complain, not that it helps. And do not lead him into temptation by placing stack of 1000 baht notes in front of TV although I think showing a bit of trust boosts boy's morale big time. From time to time I give agreed tip in advance or show him few notes under the Hong Thong bottle saying ' this is your tip for the morning' and those antics never were detrimental to a service performed. To test boy's reliability if in doubt I use 'change test" by sending him to 7/11 to buy toothbrush or 2 beers with 100 baht note. If upon return he hands change promptly I know I'm in good hands. If he doesn't , just in case, I sent him to the shower and in meantime remove some money from my pockets to the safe. Another off will be doubtful and breakfast invitation is rather out of question.

'adventure" to describe travelling with somebody we don't know or at least we did not travel with previously is very appropriate word. Travel, even in comfort , is somewhat testing and sometimes even relatives and close friends are showing side we did not know before, for both good and bad. It's why I advise to set limits and conditions carefully and lower expectations for the sake of world peace. Even something relatively trivial like waking hours in DivineMadman's example may be source of tension , on another hand having 24 hour / minus some free time for both of course / company of somebody we like and can cling to at almost any time is heavenly experience.