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I repeat my recommendation not to engage with Department. Such engagenent serves only to legitimize this negative style which almost all of us abhorr.

Sydney, I posted a report on Arena last week.

One small correction: I didn't voice my "displeasure", only my not understanding - partially ansered by Vinapu's list.

Are Babe and #10 the same person?

Some of you were quick to PM me regarding the department's triple post. I now expand my request publicly: please disregard him, whoever he is. Any response or reference only escalates the phenomenon of personal bickering / attacks. I wish TotallyOz would adopt the following rule: whenever it's clear (as it is in this case) "who started it", he should be banned.

Oh dear; hope u didnt ruin anything... Anyway, life is full of mysteries; we'll live with another one.

Tuesday night I went to hotmail. There was a group of 7 young Koreans at the far end corner, and 5 more patrons dispersed. On stage - 14 shirtless numbered boys, in red training pants. The only one that appealed to me was #10 - vinapu's regular Mr. X whom I had seen in foodland. He waved and smiled at me, and I did so in return. Only a minute at the bar, I already decided I'd off him. An unseen cue was given; suddenly all the boys unceremoniously rushed off stage to a big box on one of the seats, each one fished his cellular and almost ran out of the bar. The whole scene shouted - "can't wait to get out of here"... The most striking thing about the show is that NOBODY smiled. It was quite mediocre....until the 4th act. On stage appeared a naked attractive guy in big white wings, slowly dancing as if he is swimming in the clouds. He had a cock-ringed erection, and seemed to be without condom. His dick was big, banana-curved upward - my favorite direction. I was mesmerized; best big cock scene I have seen. Two acts later he returned to the stage with 5 other condomed boys, just standing there. His was the only upward cock, and probably the biggest. When they went around the audience for a grab-tip, I (as always) avoided touching the rubbered. As he came near me I saw that indeed his wasn't covered, and gave him a tip for shaking hand-dick. I jokingly made a gesture of sucking, but he darted his pelvis back smiling. How pleasant was my surprise when the numbered guys returned to the stage at the interval, and he joined them with a #28 badge. Before I could make my move, the noisy 'leader' of the koreans snatched him to their table. Of course I couldn't see how many tips he showered on him, as he brazenly fondled him. 28 was cooperating smilingly, at one point standing up and exposing half his cute ass to be licked. I have seen such scenes only in that promiscious pattaya bar (nice boys?). I think that management prolonged the interval, because drinks and tips were flowing there. All that time the rest of the boys on stage were just standing there, looking enviously at the party. Anyway, after more then 15 minutes the show kind of resumed. Other patrons left one by one, including - to my surprise and relief - the korean and his group WITHOUT offing 28. By the time the show ended and the numbered guys were back on stage, I was all alone - all eyes on me. I told the papasan I want to off 28. He said "500 for off" and started to talk about the boy's fee. I cut him off politely, saying I'll talk about that directly with the boy. He called him over. Given his stardom I thought he'll quote a model's fee. I was surprised he said 2000, and of course I agreed. While I waited for him to change, I felt bad for #10 - after all our waves and smiles. I went over to him and gave him a 200 tip. For some reason some of the other boys applauded, not sure if it was for him or for me. I won't go into the details of my very satisfactory encounter with 28 (I think he said his name is Baia), except for one thing which was a first for me. When he undressed for our joint shower, I was flabbergasted to see a tiny dick. What the f--k! Was this some kind of scam? It didnt change when we played a bit in the shower. Then, when we started cuddling in bed, he said "please help me". I obliged, it started growing, he quickly put on the cock ring, and suddenly he was in full bloom - no problems for the whole session. Epilogue: The next night (my last), before going to Dream Boy, I stopped by at Hotmale for two reasons. One, I took a photo of 28 (tipping him), and asked whether he wants me to put it on the internet for others who come to BKK. He was glad with the idea, adding: "tell them I am 'man' (top), I fuck, I kiss, I can suck." [Personal observation: he sucks, doesn't like it, and it shows. In bed he is hard strong raw, with his exceptional dick - great for bottoms.] See photo below. The second reason for stopping at hotmale was to repeat my tip-note attempt (which had failed with moonlight #10) this time with hotmale #10. He was surprised at getting a tip for really nothing, but again the gesture failed. He never called. I wonder if it has to do with the number 10..... Anyway - won't try it again. PS - nothing special to report on Dream Boy, in terms of sensual acts or offing. However, I sat behind the DJ station. At some point two of the staff there starting taking photos, so I got permission to do so as well. It was Chinese NY, so maybe they put on a special extravaganza. The photos below don't really capture it. For those of you who are interested and are on whatsapp terms with me - I can send a spectecular short video (which is too heavy to upload here).

No "unnecessary waves"; just curiosity about human nature - a most fascinating subject...in my humble opinion. (-: On 2nd thought, actually there might also be a practical aim to such discussions: if we undestand better their motivations - we might improve our interactions with them.

I wrote about #10, not #1. 10 IS tone and muscle.

I am not complaining, because he is master of himself. I just don't understand it. He works in a bar with a number, which means he wants to be offed. A - why does he behave in an offputting manner? B - he got a tip with an invitation to call; obviously a way to earn money. Why not follow up?

Thx Sorry to admit I didn't invent it. Saw it here, in the threads.

That's my way to contribute to the re-distribution of wealth between the 1st world and other peoples. (-:

On monday night I went to Moonlight. There were only about 7 patrons. I sat at the center of the highest row. On my left was a big asian (korean?) middle aged man, who invited boys for a drink with him, changing them every 10 minutes, without talking with them. On my right was an elderly local lady, probably known by the staff. She was surrounded by 3 waiters, and almost monopolized #10: lean masculine body, handsome face, circular tatoos on his chest beneath the shoulders. He was by far the hottest and most indifferent boy there: didn't invest any energy or gestures in drawing attention to himself; didn't move or smile on the stage; skipped one of the three rounds of off-boys parading. I couldn't take my eyes off him. The show itself was the weakest I've seen in 6 bars. There was no energy, nothing sexual nothing creative, 3 of the guys moved on stage like understudies. Music as usual too loud. I didn't off #10 because his apathy on stage would probably continue in bed. After the show I decided to test my theory. Before I left I went to the stage side curtain and asked the guy there to call him. When #10 came, I gave him a folded 100 b bill with my number written on a note inside the bill. Spoiler: he never contacted me. I asked one of the papasans to come out with me, so I could talk without the deafening music. I told him in three polite ways that they are losing money because of the volume; I would have loved to invite for drinks 3 boys, but I didn't due to inability to hear and converse. His repeated smiley response: "he he he music too loud he he he"..... )-: Feeling a bit disappointed, I decided to continue the night in Banana. WOW, what a difference! The place was packed; they had to 'improvise' a seat for me. The first thing I saw as I entered, contrary to moonlight's chastity, were 6 guys standing on stage with cock-ringed condomed erections. They stayed there for a long time. Doesn't that hurt and/or cause damage? The show was good and energetic, one of the dancers really professional with quick precise moves. The participants came down to the stage from the second floor, but departed walking to the back of the club through the audience - allowing them to collect tips on the way. I didn't find anyone offable, but the show lifted my spirits. As it ended, the good dancer positioned himself near the exit, so I voiced my approval to him accompanied by a 300 tip. Note to self: banana rocks!

Yes I purchased mine 3 days before, relieved that the sale wasn't over. At the event itself I saw that not all tickets had been sold.

BKK, I dont understand: why doesnt he use your NY gift in order to help his sister? I humbly submit that no finance education by government can overcome finance education by generous farangs...

Menaughty, yes - directly to the masseur after the massage.

Jamie, I'm ashamed to admit I failed to find the number. I'm new on Line and am digitally-challenged; first time I search for a number; clicked on all icons and links in Arena's account; but the number didn't appear. )-: If you could direct me where/how to find it, I'll gladly share.

I do that only when the guy really wants to learn, not when it's obvious he doesn't.

Included a seat Un numbered All the seats are shaded

BKK, not to hijack ur thread - a note in parenthesis. I belatedly read your post about Sinulog day, and I humbly submit potential visitors might get the wrong idea. The main event isn't the parade - obviously a worthy experience of its own, but the groups competition at the stadium where the parade ends. For 1500 pesos ($26) u get 6 hours of SPECTACULAR world class dance and drums shows. I heartly recommend anyone planning to visit Cebu, to time it to the festival. Attached are photos; vids of the dancings are too heavy/big to be uploaded.

On sunday 22:20 I landed. Per prior arrangement, at 00:10 I found vinapu in atlas, missing ichigo by 5 minutes. We adjourned to foodland and chatted for two hours, me enjoying his laughs and wise words of experience. X - one of vinapu's goodlooking regulars - passed by, and we waved hi. Avarin 1: Monday I woke up late, and decided to check out the Lao /Isaan massuers at avarin. Unfortunately none were present, so I chose the only one who was to my taste, for an oil massage at 690 b. The massage was very good. He stayed dressed the whole time, and his hands didn't hint at anything sensual. At the end, he suddenly 'asked' with his hand and face whether I wanted a HE. I said yes, but his hands were so clumsy and he was so obviously uncomfortable with what he was doing, I stopped him. Tipped him 50% 350 for work well done. Avarin 2: On tuesday evening, having wandered for hours in chinatown, I decided I earned a 350 b foot massage. This time there were some browner-skinned guys there, but not the muscular type ropasa has offered as examples. I chose Art, one of the cutest faces I have ever seen (see photo below), and he proceeded to give me a GREAT massage. The only English word he speaks othet than yes/no is "ok", literally. I used the translater to flirt with him: "you are handsome and you have a nice smile", and "the massage is excellant, I don't want it to end", which produced more of his to-die-for smiles. After about 40 minutes he asked if I wanted additional body massage. I used the opportunity to check for hanky panky, and asked him if he does that massage without clothes. He read the text at least twice, mimicked-questioned removing his clothes, and with a bewildred expression said no. I smiled; when we finished I tipped him 100% - 350. His face photo will feature prominently in my Thailand folder. Arena: I paid a visit on my way to chinatown, wednesday afternoon. It was just the way I remembered it from quite a few years back; not sure it's a good thing. The boss showed me the price menu (see below); I chose a one hour basic room milk-cream massage. He then turned my attention to the 13 guys on eager display. I don't use the word "boys", because some of them were obviously VERY far from being or looking boyish. I asked "who has big dick?" Instead of pointing them out, he referred the question to the audience. Half of them raised their hands; I politely refrained from bursting in laughter. None of them really excited me, but having made the special stop - I chose Pom; 30ish looking (turned out he's 42), chiseled abs, enthusiatic smile. The rooms are more basic than Avarin's; clean; no face hole in the bed. Water only mildly warm, rather than hot. Pom started the massage in his red jock strap; by the time he moved to the other side of the bed - he was already naked. He actively fit his dick into my palm; lo and behold - it WAS big. It was nicely thick and longer than my palm, which in Thai terms means big. From then on he made sure we stay in touch... Towards the end he asked me if I wanted him to fuck me. I said no, preferring to suck him while he gave me a HJ. Afterwards he surprised me by climbing on the bed for a long cuddle. Minimum tip 1000; I gave him 1500. On my way out, the manager Kom asked for my cellular, and added Arena's Line number so I would receive the daily menu. Avarin 4: On wednesday night, having again walked through chinatown's NY festivities, I came again for a foot massage. No masculine Lao and no Art, I chose another cute Isaan guy. The massage was good, though not as wonderful as Art's. The big difference was, that every five minutes he asked if I want also a body massage. I didn't feel like it, so I didn't answer, or replied no, or said maybe. Faced with his persistence, I decided to put him to the test, and asked whether body massage meant he would take off his clothes and use his body on mine. He enthusiastically said yes, so off we went. Five minutes into the massage I noticed he was still dressed. When I asked why, he answered "one thousand". I replied "outside you didn't say anything about 1000" which he didnt understand, so he tried three times having me talk to his translator which didn't work. I gave up and returned my face to the hole, ignoring his entreaties. He continued with the massage, and after two minutes removed his clothes. I stroked his legs gently, but when I touched his dick - he moved away, so I stopped doing this. As he started with the HE it was obvious his heart wasn't in it. Despite his attempts I didn't cum; his lack of technique, or the atmosphere, or being 'only' 5 hours since Pom's expert hand, or all of the above. I gave him a 600 b tip for both hours, and using translator explained/suggested that "one thousand" should be said BEFORE massage. He apologized and asked that everything would be kept secret, which is why there's neither name nor photo here. In future(?) visits to avarin, I'll choose Art or a muscular Lao. (-: This concludes my massages for this visit. Am posting this from Dubai. Will add a report on bars later.

MacDaddi, thank you VERY much for naming the deserved! Both sides will gain by it. I know I will..

BKK, During my long weekend stay in cebu, I got the impression that traffic there was almost as bad as in manila. You OTOH don't seem to be traffic-suffering. Was I mistaken?

Thx

Since these Lao / Isaan guys are apparently more endowed, how do I recognize them?