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Cam’s family has a long history of crossing the border for employment opportunities. The first time he came to Bangkok he was 16 years old and came with both his father and brother. They worked construction. His mother and sisters have also crossed over to work in food service. This was long before the current problems regarding the border closings and no visa runs possible. They are aware of the visa situation and his lack of a current one so needing to stay under the radar, so to speak. While it is possible they are ‘turning a blind eye’ as to his actual job, given the family history of going back and forth over time it is also possible they accept him at his word. As has been reported on the forum many times about the overall state of affairs regarding the lack of customers in the boy bars, especially Hotmale, I don’t know that he has been able to send huge sums of money home that would raise any red flags. After all, he does have daily living expenses and Bangkok is not a cheap place to live, even if the boys do share housing. Cam said many nights there are no customers and they don’t even have the show at Hotmale. He is lucky if a customer even invites him to sit for a drink most nights. Regarding what he has told his parents about our meeting…he said I was a frequent visitor to Thailand from US and a regular customer at the restaurant where he works part time as a server when I am in Bangkok. Beyond that, I do not know what questions they may have asked him or what else he shared around the circumstances of our meeting and the fact we are living together. Sometimes 2+2=4; sometimes 2+2=5. lol. Don’t ask, don’t tell may very well come into play here regarding the relationship aspect of things. The houses on either side of Cam’s parents are both new houses, and based upon what Cam said they don’t have young locals or know any foreigners. Beyond that, I cannot comment with any accuracy about the gossip mill surrounding new homes in Cambodia.

While I do not claim to have all of the answers, what I know is this. First I need to establish with forum members that other than paying Cam for the time he spent with me in March/April of this year, he has never requested nor have I sent him any money. All five siblings plus parents have been contributing to a ‘new house fund’ for the last 4-5 years and they have managed to accumulate as of this moment $7000 USD. The new house is estimated to cost approximately $12,000 USD because they plan to do all of the labor themselves (family and friends). They only need to buy materials. I am sure there will be some incidentals that come up during construction that either are unexpected or they simply didn’t think about it. That happens with most projects. Time will tell on that. They hope to start construction in December and estimate it will take around 2-3 months to complete with 7 or 8 persons doing the bulk of the work (father, brother, 3 brothers-in-law, 2 cousins, and Cam). But, back to your questions…money I gave him in March/April that went towards the new house did not have me attached to it in any way. He simply told his parents it was money he earned from his job. At least for the present time I have been able to avoid any requests for assistance. Cam has never asked for himself or his family. Adding goats and turtles to the farm is just a long term goal of Cam’s. It isn’t something that needs to be done right away. He believes that raising turtles will be easier to get started since they already have a pond on the farm and it won’t require a lot of expense to get set up. Goats are more in the future. The point is that he is looking ahead and planning for the future.

Been in Pattaya all week and not online. Had a good trip. Condo through Airbnb was perfect. Good location just a short walk from the beach. Condo itself was nicely furnished and very comfortable. Quite nice and would definitely rent again if we ever returned to Pattaya. First night in town we went to Dick’s for dinner and were both disappointed with the food and service. Cam ordered Pad Thai with Shrimp and after there first couple of bites said it was the worst he had ever eaten in Thailand. I ordered Cashew Chicken. The chicken appeared to be frozen, breaded nuggets that had been fried several days before and were rock hard. I could barely chew them. Neither one of us finished our meal. I had ordered a pineapple juice but was given plain apple juice. The restaurant was not busy at all…only two other tables with parties of two were in the entire restaurant. Our server had quite the attitude…and not in a good way. We both walked away agreeing it was a place we would never go back. Walked around the complex, but this was a Monday evening around 9:30pm so not surprised it was dead. Also need to consider the fact it is low season. Far more bar workers than customers. I don’t think we even saw 50 customer in total from all of the establishments. Rather depressing, actually. Basically spent our time sleeping late, grabbing a late breakfast, lounging on the beach and swimming most afternoons, rented a jet ski a couple of times, and would go out for dinner. Other than our first night in Pattaya, we avoided any of the clubs. We had a wonderful day on Koh Larn with forum member @bkkmfj2648. His condo is in the next building over from where we were staying, so we met at the entrance to the parking lot and took Bolt together to the ferry, then ferry to the island. On the island we rented motorbikes and traveled to the other side to a more remote and quiet beach. Was a very nice, relaxing day with amazing views, beautiful beach, and great company. Glad we were in Pattaya and able to avoid the hoopla in Bangkok around Gay Pride. Pride is later in Pattaya, so we were able to avoid it there as well. Several forum members are actually in Bangkok for Pride and invited us to join them for the festivities but our preference was to avoid pride stuff. I will say I was surprised by the number of Caucasians in Pattaya compared to Bangkok. I was also surprised by the number of Russians we encountered in the Jomtien Beach area. I wasn’t expecting to see quite so many straight bars…far more than restaurants…with hostesses entertaining many Caucasian gentlemen…so close to Walking Street in the complex. Then again, I obviously have not spent much time in Pattaya so it is basically unfamiliar territory to me. Cam has only been a couple of times, and was never in the complex before. Everything was relatively new to him, too. While I want to be careful and not jinx things, for now I will just say things are going well between us. The end of May is here and there have been no major issues or concerns. First week was a bit of a struggle with me trying to adjust to the time difference from Denver and Cam trying to adjust his hours away from the bar lifestyle of sleeping all day, working nights and then hanging out with his friends after the bar closes…because all of them work in the bars. We have basically stayed away from Silom and the bars. We are planning to meet up with two of his friends to play snooker…but that is away from Silom and these are not his bar friends. Been having discussions about life in Cambodia in general and the beginnings of some concrete plans for the future. Learned that Siem Reap is actually two hours drive from his home, and the family home is not located on the land they farm. The farm is about midway between Siem Reap and his hometown. Also learned that Battambang is closer to his family, and is a fairly large city. I believe it is the third largest city in Cambodia with a population of around 200,000. It is only about 60 minutes from his home. When his parents need to see a doctor or go to the hospital for any reason, they go to Battambang, not Siem Reap. So, we have been looking for possible places to live in both locations. More specifics to come in a later installment.

He will help his father on the family farm, and wants to expand that beyond rice and sesame seeds to raise goats and turtles. He also plans to work construction with his brother. He has done a fair amount of research about raising turtles and showed me what is involved. Compared to other things, it isn't too expensive or complicated. I know a little about goats and can help with that. For years I took my students to a goat farm once a week to work as vocational training and learned a considerable amount of what is involved. His oldest sister and her husband have a shop...small market; his middle sister has a food cart; the youngest sister is a seamstress. He has helped them all over the years so can certainly be kept busy.

Since his parents believe the money he sends home comes from a construction or food service job, I don't believe sugar daddy or customer would even remotely enter any conversation. There is also no directly link to me in regards to any money he has sent home. I do understand the need to keep things on a somewhat level playing field in regards to his family. I don't believe it is any concern initially, but that could always change.

This definitely appears to be the case based upon conversations he has had with his mother about me and about us living together in Siem Reap. I was also in a 10-year relationship with someone from Taiwan. We even lived in Taiwan for a year. I understand the need to be respectful and discreet. That was many years ago, but I remember well the need to be very 'strategic', as you put it.

Had an interesting, serious conversation with Cam today that was totally unexpected at this time while our relationship is developing. However, opportunity presented itself in an unusual way and I wanted to take advantage of the situation. Cam has a friend from his hometown in Cambodia who now lives and works in Sydney, Australia. He is legally married to his husband. He and Cam are fairly close friends and keep in touch. They were chatting online and it was rather late in Bangkok, so I knew Sydney was three hours later and it was wee hours of the morning there. As we were going to bed, I just casually asked him what his friends husband thought about the chatting taking place in the middle of the night. He proceeded to explain that both of them have their own homes. Even though they are married, they literally do not live together on a full time basis. They do things together as a couple, but do not sleep together every night. He said even when they travel they often book separate hotel rooms. They have been together for a number of years now. My general comment was I thought that was a strange relationship for a married couple. It seems more like a new relationship at the beginning stages of dating before they decide to move in together. Anyway, that allowed me to open that proverbial can of worms about what our life together might look like in Siem Reap. As it turns out, we are both on the same page as to what we want and what our expectations are. Regarding his friend, he said every person and every relationship is different and the parties involved need to determine what it is they want and what works best for them. I agree with that, and stated very clearly that the type of relationship his friend has is not what I am looking for and I would not move halfway around the world for that. I said while he may get together with friends and family that sometimes includes me and sometimes doesn’t, and I will hopefully meet some new friends to hang out with that may include him sometimes, I was not going to be sitting alone in an apartment in Siem Reap waiting for him to make time to visit me for a few hours each week. My expectations are we look for apartments together, we primarily live together and we are sleeping together every night. His friends/family would be on the receiving end of occasional visits each week for a few hours. Fortunately, both of our expectations regarding this are in sync. While he wants to build his parents the new house along with his siblings, he has no desire to live with his parents. The new house will only have two bedrooms…one for the parents and the other for any of the 14 grandchildren that spend the night. It was a really good conversation and sharing of ideas. This was definitely an area of concern for me, and I am very much relieved and more optimistic that we are headed in the right direction. We’ve even been sharing family photos from our childhood. Of course, given the age difference, many of my old photos are in black and white and taken with a 35mm camera. All of his photos are in color and taken with a phone. lol. He also shared during the conversation that he has told his mother about me, and his plan to live with me in Siem Reap. At least according to him, she has been very accepting of this and has not expressed any concerns. I do not believe he has used the word ‘partner’ or ‘boyfriend’ when explaining the relationship, but more likely used ’special friend’ or ‘dear friend’. This has been mentioned by some forum members as a good work around. His mother is anxious to meet me and has even invited me to stay with them my first few nights in Cambodia until we can find a place in Siem Reap. Cam is close to both parents, but more so his mother. No idea if any conversation has taken place between his mother and father regarding me or the special friendship. Cam tends to only share such things with his mother and one sister he is especially close to. As for being seen as a walking Western ATM, the only money I have ever given Cam was the agreed upon amount on my previous trip where we spent an entire week together. I assume most of that money went home to his family, but sure that my name was not attached to it in any way since his parents are not even aware of how he earns the money he sends home. As I stated in a previous post, they are under the impression he is still working construction or food service. That isn’t to say in the future it is a potential problem, but as of now is not a concern. Briefly talked about the need to bring gifts for family members. He said parents, siblings and their spouses, and grandchildren were enough. No need to include extended family. He also suggested waiting until I am in Siem Reap and we can go shopping there together to purchase for the family rather than bringing things from the US. He thought it was too many people and too much ‘stuff’ I would need to travel with, and they would be happy with anything. Not sure I feel quite right about waiting to purchase in Siem Reap, but will ultimately defer to him.

Well, I did manage to avoid Songkran, which I had no desire to experience. Perhaps because of my age, but hearing @Enchanted_Elixir describe what it was like while attempting to roam the streets of Silom only reinforced my desire to avoid those festivities. Unfortunately, it seems I will be present for Pride celebrations in June. Please do not misunderstand that statement…I am supportive of LGBTQ+ rights and am proud to be an out gay man. I only say ‘unfortunately’ because over the years I have participated in literally hundreds of pride events all over the US, from March on Washington two times to annual festivals in most major US cities including New York, Atlanta, Chicago, Los Angeles, Houston, San Diego, etc. I have been a member of organizing committees and always played an active role within the gay community wherever I lived. My mantra these days is more about…been there, done that. Not knowing what Cam’s level of participation in Pride has been, I will most likely defer to him. If he wants to join in the festivities, then we will. If he wants to escape the city during those few days, I am perfectly okay with that as well. Been going back and reading old posts in the Gay Cambodia section to see what information I can glean. That section doesn’t seem to be nearly as active as Gay Thailand, so there are not many current posts. Still some solid and valuable information. Cam’s family lives very close to Siem Reap, so he feels it would be better for me if we lived in the city. He can commute easily by motorbike to the family farm. I want to educate myself as much as possible about Cambodian history, culture, gay life in addition to the traditions of Cam and his family. At the moment, my biggest concern is how I will be received by his family. One of the interesting things I have learned about Cam during this visit is he actually has two sets of Cambodian friends in Bangkok. One group of friends also work in the bars and they have been unable to make the necessary visa runs since the border conflict began. These are the friends he goes with after work to grab a bite to eat or they go drinking. I think there are five friends in this group. Prior to Bangkok, he only knew one of these five back in Cambodia. His other group of friends either have jobs in construction or some type of service industry. They all have current visas. There are four or five in this group and they all knew each other back in Cambodia. They come from the same general area. This second group does not know about his job in the bar. They are under the impression he still works construction or food service. When they get together, it is usually away from Silom. They enjoy a meal together or will play pool somewhere that requires him to take MRT. He is concerned that if anyone in this second group of friends were to find out…word would quickly get back to Cambodia and possibly his family. His family is under the impression the money he sends home comes from his construction or food service job. Really not all that different from me and my friends who were closeted for years and led double lives. Cam doesn’t think his parents would have a problem with him being gay or bisexual. They would not be happy with the actual job and the way he is earning the money. For my part, I am more concerned what they are going to think about him living with a man more than twice his age...even older than his parents. Been researching the retirement visa available in Cambodia and from what I have read it seems relatively easy to get and to renew annually. Would certainly appreciate any information forum members can provide who have visited Cambodia before, or perhaps have considered retiring there. Interested in what medical care is like. Need to focus on the Siem Reap area.

The information provided above by @daydreamer is correct according to what the immigration officer recommended for me to do on future visits when I entered the kingdom in early May, as the 60 day visa on entry is definitely being reduced to 30 days. The only question at the present time is when the new 30-day rule takes effect. The immigration officer was unsure, but believed it will be around July 1.

Airline Info: Wanted to share that for this trip I booked travel with StarLux Airlines. It is a luxury, premium Taiwanese airline. I think they were founded around 2018 by someone who used to be with Eva Airlines. Their prices from the US are fairly competitive. It was recommended to me by a friend who lives in San Francisco and has flown with them a number of times now to Asia. I would also add my recommendation. Service was outstanding, food was better than most, and truly felt spoiled and pampered in business class. Very comfortable and will definitely fly with them again. This trip was SFO to Taipei (11 hours), 3 hour layover, then Taipei to Bangkok (4 hours). All Airbus fleet...mostly A350's on long hauls. As I did on my last few trips, timed my arrival in Bangkok for noon, then made sure I stayed up and active the rest of the day until a somewhat regular bedtime. No jet lag the next day. Immigration News: No line whatsoever at section for Seniors and Disabled Persons. Walked right up to the first available officer. No real problems and received 60 day visa. However, he noticed my other recent trips and provided me with some friendly advice...not a warning. He explained that the government was in the process of reducing the 60 day visa to a 30 day visa and it would probably happen soon. If, on any future trips I was thinking of staying longer than 30 days I might want to consider applying for a different type of visa. So, it sounds as if the 30 day tourist visa is a done deal with only the target date to be announced. If things go well with me and Cam this trip, that won't be a concern for us anyway. When I return to Denver the end of July, Cam will be returning to his hometown in Cambodia at the same time. My next trip will be to Siem Reap, so any visit to Bangkok will simply be a layover between the two cities. I won't even need a visa for that.

A belated Happy Birthday, Jason! Well, as I said, we are keeping a low profile and avoiding Silom area in general. No need to be around there since we are not participating in any of the extra-curricular activities. Did not realize it was pride in Bangkok. That will be something to discuss with Cam to see if he is interested in checking out the parade or other events. Have my doubts, but open to the possibility if he is interested.

Greetings, All! This will come as no surprise to some of you, and others may be shocked. Currently back in Bangkok and planning to be here for approximately three months. That will all depend on if my request for a 30-day visa extension is approved the end of June after the initial 60-days. I made the decision for several reasons. First, since I am retired and have no real commitments or obligations to keep me in Denver other than family, I decided there is no reason to wait until November. In addition, it is low season so not nearly as many tourists. When checking airfares, I actually found better prices now versus later in the year due to the ongoing conflict in the Middle East. Since there seems to be no end in sight and jet fuel prices are skyrocketing, airfares listed for the fall are astronomical. Of course, the single most important reason is I missed Cam and really wanted to spend some long term quality time with him. We were both anxious to spend time together sooner rather than later. We have been texting multiple times each day ever since I returned to Denver, and video call at least once a day, if not more. There was really no strong, compelling reason to wait until late in 2026. My posts will not be as often as my previous trips to Thailand, nor as detailed. Only a few select friends, immediate family, and one or two forum members know of my location. I have zero plans to see my Thai friends. There will be no visits to massage shops; no contact via Line with regulars I saw previously…including Paradise guy. I doubt we will visit any of the bars and will probably avoid Silom as much as possible. Cam made the necessary arrangements with the bar to be off during my entire visit. Thanks to forum members for setting me straight about off fees for something long term, no money was provided to Hotmale. lol. However, I did give Mamasan a nice tip to offer our thanks for his support of Cam. After I returned to Denver, Cam made the decision on his own without any prompting from me to discuss with Mamasan that he no longer wanted to go with customers for off’s, but would only go for drinks. He explained that we were together now and that he would be returning to Cambodia after my visit and I would most likely be joining him there. Mamasan agreed to that request. It only presented a problem with one customer, which speaks more about the customer’s character than anything about Cam. Customer knew from Mamasan that Cam would only go with him for a drink…nothing more. After one hour of drinking, customer decided he wanted more from Cam. Cam said ‘no’, and politely told the man he was leaving. Man would not even give Cam any money after he spent one hour with him for drinks. Cam didn’t care about the money, and left to go back to his room. So, I felt a generous tip was in order for Mamasan since he was so supportive of Cam’s decision. This trip is all about spending quality time together and getting to know each other better. We are staying in an Airbnb away from the Silom area for the duration of the trip. We have some side trips planned as well, including a trip to Pattaya and Chiang Mai for a few days. Cam has been to Pattaya one time, but really enjoys the beach so we definitely want to go there. He has never been to Chiang Mai, so that will be a new adventure. Keeping in mind Cam’s status, all of our accommodations are through Airbnb and all of our travel is via private car service. We may even do a little exploring around Bangkok and visit Ayutthaya. Cam has never really ventured outside of Silom very much and experienced other parts of the city. Again, please do not expect daily updates as I have done on my previous trips. This visit is totally different from past experiences.

Before visiting this shop, I strongly recommend you read a recent post by @macaroni21 on his ShamelessMack2 travel blog. Here is a link to the article: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2026/04/19/magically-still-in-business/ Also, I visited this shop in March and included information in my trip report. Here is what I wrote: continued…Installment 16 A: Had a quiet, leisurely morning checking messages and reading forum posts. Went downstairs to the coffee shop for a latte and pastry. Didn’t want to eat too much and planning to skip lunch altogether. Meeting several forum members for dinner at G’s. Looking forward to good company and food. Decided to head over to Silom mid-afternoon. Planned to get a massage. Recalled reading a post about an older H-type shop off Surawong called Magic Touch. Thought I would check it out. Turned out to be a big mistake. Locating the shop was a bit of a challenge. There is a narrow street between 56 Surawong and Le Meridien that appears to be a dead end leading to The Rose. When you get to The Rose, the street sort of zig zags around and continues on past a number of shops which all appear to do laundry. Approximately 75 meters from the Rose is a very short alley to the left that is very non-descriptive with four or five small shops, one of which happens to be Magic Touch. Google maps was helpful up until the alley. The shop should have better marketing from the street into the alley. Initially I walked past the alley entrance a good 25 meters where it was mostly residential, so turned around and finally was able to determine exact location. Shop is older. Ground floor contains a very small reception area. Decor is very dated, and the place was hot, smelled musty, and didn’t appear to be the cleanest establishment. Only one person was working, so no options regarding therapists. No idea how many people they may have on staff. Of course, this was around 3:30pm in the afternoon, so I wasn’t expecting many employees, but certainly more than one. He was not my type at all…older gentleman, late 30’s or possibly early 40’s, certainly not twink material, definitely on the chubby side…zero attraction whatsoever. Provided me with a glass of water, turned on A/C unit, showed me a price list. At this point I should have politely declined and just left, but I went ahead and agreed to a 60 minute oil massage. Foot massage wasn’t an option, otherwise I might have chosen that. Keep in mind there is nobody else in this shop…just the ‘therapist’ and myself. Paid THB 600 and he proceeded to take me up to the very top floor…four flights of very narrow steps that were not so bad going up, but coming down felt extremely unsafe. Thought it strange we had to go all the way up when each floor had two massage rooms. One room was larger with an ensuite shower, small sink, and urinal. No toilet. Second room was smaller and there was no ensuite, but a shower nearby off the hallway and a toilet. I was in the large room with the ensuite. Massage table was typical wood frame with thin padding, face cradle, with towel correctly placed. Often the towel will cover the face cradle in many of these shops. Therapist gave me an old towel that honestly felt like it was made of sandpaper. Shower was obviously very old, could have definitely used a bottle of Clorox, body wash was almost empty, water was lukewarm at best and just a trickle. No way to adjust pressure or temperature. Just on/off. Hesitated even getting on the massage table as I questioned in my mind just how clean the cover was. Looked very old and stained. After taking a quick shower and finally getting on the table, therapist came back into the room. Started with the sandpaper towel covering me and some dry presses. Oh, I should mention that when he came into the room, I could tell from the sound that he had removed his clothing and tossed them off to the side. Without him even touching me, it was rather obvious where this could lead. Massage skills were basically non-existent. Probably one of my worst experiences in Thailand. The entire time I was laying on the table I just wanted it to end. Just a miserable experience overall. Absolutely no chemistry whatsoever, so no desire for any ‘special services’. It couldn’t end soon enough, and I couldn’t wait to get out of there. Tip was never mentioned, so no idea if there was a mandatory amount or not, and certainly no extra services were provided. I was just so anxious to get out of there I gave him THB 500. Not only was the massage itself terrible, but I walked out feeling dirty…actually dirty…like I wanted to go all the way back to Asoke then and there to take a nice, long and hot shower at the condo. Of all my various escapades, I would never return nor would I recommend this shop. The only other shop I would not return to is Phoenix, which I visited in October. While the masseur was ok, it was difficult to find, not as convenient to Saphan Kwai BTS, and in general a sleazy environment.

I don't believe anyone is forcing you to visit. If you don't care to visit a place, then don't. There are many places in the world I have no desire to see or visit in person. I don't go around bad mouthing them. That is totally inappropriate. If you don't want to visit Thailand, Vietnam, Cambodia...or wherever. That is your choice. There is absolutely no reason to be nasty and mean about it. We all have our preferences as to what we like and don't like...not just in regards to men, but people and places in general. That is life. Get over it. My mother always told me...if you cannot say something nice about it, then perhaps you shouldn't say anything at all. Maybe you should follow that advice.

Thanks for that information. I actually had no idea there were two different companies with the same name. I used the SuperRich located in the lower level of the new Central Park Mall, but do not recall if the sign was green or orange. Not something I really knew to pay attention to until now. I also assumed SuperRich was all one company so the exchange rate would be the same at all locations. Sounds like I need to shop around a little before exchanging currency in the future.

My mood killers would be the same, whether non-paid interactions or escort relationships. In general it would apply to all situations. Had a similar experience to you many years ago while visiting friends in Atlanta. Went to a gay bar called Bulldogs and met a really nice guy. Very handsome, young and athletic...probably a college swimmer type guy. Anyway, after a couple of drinks, good conversation and a lot of flirting...we left and went back to his place. We were getting hot and heavy when he stopped and wanted me to spank him. Not something I was really into, but I obliged with a light smack on the butt. He kept insisting I continue and each time wanted it harder and harder. Total mood killer for me. Finally told him he was a nice guy, but this was something I just wasn't into and needed to leave. Couldn't get dressed and out of there fast enough.

Is the exchange rate at the various SuperRich locations in Silom the same? Or is each location slightly different? I would think they would be the same, but you never know...which is why I ask the question.

Mind sharing which bar so the rest of us can be more alert when visiting?

Mood killers for me are someone being aggressive or causing pain; someone wanting me to be aggressive or physically administer pain to them; someone who won't kiss or is a bad kisser. One of my favorite things to do is shower together before and after, so unless they refused that part of the fun not taking a shower wouldn't be an issue. Since I often prefer overnights or long term, I make sure they know in advance I expect them to join me for breakfast before departing. I cannot recall the phone ever being an issue, but I would not hesitate to ask them to put the phone away. Not really a mood killer for me, though. If they continued using the phone, I would invite them to leave and adjust compensation accordingly.

Very true. Considering everything else that has happened surrounding the closing of Atlas and reopening in a different location under a different name...I guess nothing should surprise me. Had not considered that possibility.

As @vinapu, Pattaya is no different from any other place in the world when using online apps. Use normal precautions and common sense when meeting strangers. You might check out this website: https://jomtiencomplex.com It has information about Jomtien Complex Supertown including a map. Not sure if there is something similar for Boyztown. You might also check out a travel blog by forum member @macaroni21 and read his posts about Pattaya. Here is a link to his website: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog

It's on the same side of Patpong Soi 1 as Derby King.

Sign me up! Where can I subscribe to that magazine! LOL.

As the esteemed @vinapu has said numerous times...tastes vary from person to person. I thought the food was just ok at Happy Beer Garden and didn't care for the environment. I preferred Sarica for both quality of food and environment. We each have different tastes, both in food and in the atmosphere we like. That's what makes the world so interesting. Would be a very boring place if we all liked the same things.

I have no idea how accurate this is, but when I was in Bangkok this past Feb/Mar/Apr and went to Sarica someone told me that Happy Beer Garden was owned by the same people. Perhaps Sarica employees will be able to help out at Happy Beer Garden if that is true.