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Yup, not even Green Massage put their staff in green shirts 😂 But won't be easy for the shop to stand out when hidden behind the stalls of Patpong 1.

What the hell is an LGBTQ+ student?

I don't know.... but I have a feeling those are very old pictures on their website. The boys depicted may not be working there anymore. Of course I haven't kept a diary, but my sense is that I have seen the same pictures for a long time.

+1 I have had opportunities to talk to Myanmar workers and refugees working illegally in Thailand, The situation they are in, plus worries for their families left behind, are very moving. The civil war there is not something we should make light of. And I hope @PeterRS resumes participation in the forum. I'm sure I speak for others too when I say he was missed.

On China Central Television, and inspired by the Tai minority in southern Yunnan province (yes, related to the Thai people) and their love affair with elephants, an all-male dance performance for Chinese New Year: The Tai/Thai ethnic group originated in Yunnan. Those that migrated south into the Chao Phraya floodplain became today's Thais. Lots more stayed behind in Yunnan. What I'd be curious about is whether the language has stayed similar or have they diverged to be mutual incomperehensible.

Of course if they have cute dancers (cuter than these two please) it might help it go down a little better:

Or go mad to this one:

Did you use one of their short-time rooms? What was it like?

Oh, one more first-hand incident: I was in a Type 2 place in Pattaya some years ago getting a foot massage. In came a 40- or 50-ish woman who looked Indian but who spoke with some element of a British accent, and asked for an oil massage. When the receptionist asked her, "Man or Lady", she said "Man". A boy was called out from the interior. She smiled broadly at him, I think she liked what she saw. She then began to ask him - in the front parlour with the three or four foot massage customers hearing every word - whether he will do "more than massage". She said something about "a boyfriend experience". The boy almost died. He actually staggered backwards. The really funny thing was that my gaydar was pinging loudly. He was good-looking, no doubt, nearly as pretty in an effete way like an actor in some Boy Love movie. What I don't know is which was the real shocker: that she was opening asking for sex in a public room or that he was expected to do it with a woman???? This woman must have been watching too many Boy Love movies and thus acquired a taste for this kind of look.

I think you are both right. "Kids" seems to be an umbrella ogranisation with branches or franchisees in many cities; conceivably there could be two or more operating within Tokyo itself. And since each branch or franchisee operates on a "call the boy in when there is a booking" model, it may be possible for a boy to be listed at more than one branch.

Isn't that what we all aspire to be? 🤣

The bathroom window is frosted. Is the bedroom window - your reply to keithambrose suggests that there is another window -- also frosted? Very much like a modern 3- star Japanese hotel.

@reader if you are referring to Surasak BTS station, then it is still some 700 metres walking to Heaven Sauna* - quite challenging for @Olddaddy I think. Then again, if he's going to take a taxi from Bally Suites to DJ Station, then taking a taxi to Heaven will feel almost as near. * I would take a Silom Road bus instead.

@roughjock is right. The Olivia shops (there are a few) are Type 2 massage parlours. The masseurs and masseuses often wait outside the shopfront and will be aghast if you openly discuss sex right there. Neither will the receptionist or manager discuss this. Moreover, the default operating model here is that the therapist is assigned to you by rotation though the receptionist is likely to ask if you want Man or Lady. If you fancy a particular chap, you will have to assert yourself and say, "No I don't want this ugly, lame, acne-ridden fella (no offence intended, buddy); I want the other guy who just walked past us smelling like a chimney and going into the backroom to take a dump, but who looks like Adonis to me." Because no discussion about extras can take place in the front of the shop, this is the kind of place where you take your chances. The Adonis may or may not do anything other than massage. If he is looking for extra tips, he will signal one way or another after the two of you have gone into the privacy of the massage room. But then you will have to negotiate the compensation. However, since they all know that a male customer answering "Man" to the receptionist's question "You want Man or Lady?" is 99% likely to be gay, there is a high chance that something supplementary to massage will be offered at the halfway point in the session. But many will not agree to receiving penetration. A recent story about a neighbour of Olivia's is this one. One more thing: I have had the experience of coming out of the massage room in towel, on my way to the showers, only to see a near naked woman in towel coming out of the same shower. Memory indelibly seared into me. These shops take women customers too. The boy's finger that explores your hole was also exploring some woman's cunt one hour earlier.

Not sure about the connection that you're alluding to between a discounted price and Patpong. If anything, I associate Patpong with overpriced, like the drinks, boys and tips.

Let's hope they know what's needed to make a bar successful and work REALLY HARD at it. But, all reinventions of businesses need investment, and I hope they haven't spent their last bahts paying the former owner, but instead have enough left over to invest anew. The easiest and cheapest way to find out what's needed to revive the bar is to read this forum🥰. One can learn a lot about what regular visitors to Bangkok want to see in a bar. Here's a quick run-down of improvements needed: 1. Boys: The boys they have are physique-wise competitive with the market. They could be presented better (lose the red pants and T-shirts). They should be the ones bringing drinks to customers (not waiters) so that opportunities are immediately created for a personal smile and interaction. In the process, lay off the waiters and save costs. 2. Offer a private dance option, e.g. 500 baht for 15 minutes in a small screened off corner. Hands-on allowed, but no cumming. 3. Create a system for customer feedback (online platform) about boys' performance after take-out. Incentivise feedback by offering a discount code in response to feedback received. Customer can redeem the discount code for 50% the cost of a drink or off-fee within, say, 12 months. (I think McDonald's or Burgerking has something similar in several countries). Naturally, use the feedback so obtained to (a) get rid of duds and (b) give a "best performer for the month" cash award to which boy gats the best agreggate feedback. 4. Pricing: To regain market share quickly, they need to run a series of promotions over the next 6 - 12 months. For example: One free boy-drink for every customer drink. It saves the customer 400 - 500 baht, but the cost of pouring an extra drink is probably no more than 20 baht for the liquid and maybe 50 baht commission to the boy. This encourages customers to call a boy to his side, thereby increasing chances for offs. Makes it profitable for boys to work there as well when chances of off are enhanced. Another example: First 20 customers of the evening gets 50% off first drink, and 50% off the off-fee. Makes itself look busy, not half dead. 5. Make the show more interactive and fun: Example, spin a roulette or draw-a-card game with five rounds where each winner (customer) of a round gets to strip a boy of one item of clothing. Needless to say - last winner gets to strip the underwear. Another example, Hire a beefy boy. Have a lucky draw for a customer to oil the boy up for muscle posing, then have another lucky draw for another customer to wipe him down. (Can do similar for a soaping/shower show.) 6. Marketing: Post regularly on Facebook. Open a profile (and post regularly) on WeChat, Sina Weibo, Instagram, TikTok, if they haven't already. Not difficult to handle multiple languages using online translation tools. Post a picture or short video and write/translate a simple caption.

There is an existing SM bar (with girls) at that dangerously tight turn (Patpong Soi 2) midway between Foodland and the Silom Road end of Patpong Soi 2. It's been in business for a very long time, so maybe if you're right that it's going to be an SM bar, somebody thinks there's a growing market for this?

@vinapu has given several good possibilities as to why the tipped boy did not call. Simply it's European thing - I agree. We often forget what is practiced in our own cultures may not apply elsewhere. I can think of one more reason. In both this case at Hotmale and at Moonlight, you were expecting the boy to call. I don't know what exactly you wrote in your note but it seems you wrote a mobile number. Maybe @reader or @colmx or others who know a lot of boys can advise, but I have a sense that the boys no longer use "traditional" phone numbers for calling. They all use LINE, and I don't think it is possible to add a "friend" in this app just simply from a mobile number, yet without first adding a "friend", there is no way to follow up with a chat or call. To add a "friend", one needs the LINE ID or LINE QR code. And so even if a boy were interested in contact after receiving your tip-note, there would be no way for him to call back. Having said that, I'm not that au fait with LINE app since I only use it when I am in Thailand, so perhaps others can confirm or refute what I just said - it would be interesting for the rest of us to know LINE's protocols better anyway.

I hate using the touchpad too. It's very limiting.

I have to distance myself from this comment. I need to say this because the above was in response to something I had written. My understanding is that @12is12 is not a frequent visitor to Thailand and therefore may not be aware of the many unstated "customs" in this country's male entertainment industry. LIke all of us, when we're in unfamiliar territory, we get surprised when things work differently. As @12is12 said, he wasn't offended by the lack of contact from #10; he was mystified. I was just trying to explain why things may have developed the way they did. Please do not use my comments to cast aspersions on anybody else's character. The point isn't to point fingers; the point is to use such experiences (all of us) for learning. Isn't that what sharing is about?

This was regarding Jupiter, which has perhaps 20-25 boys in the rotation. What's your estimate as to what percent of them will not go out with male customers, but only with women? As for The One, thanks for spending 500 baht just to find out and sharing your "research" with us. It's very much what I expect the situation to be. They're probably locked into a long lease, so it may be a painfully slow demise.

I hesitate to jump into this thread because feelings are involved. But maybe I should just say that if I put myself in #10's shoes, I too would not have called back. I would think: this guy was in the bar. He could have asked me to sit with him, bought me a drink ( commission 50 or 100 baht) and paid the off fee like other customers do. Why is he slipping me a piece of paper? What is his intention? What risks are involved here? Then this info that he does not speak English adds another very obvious reason. How is he to call if he does not have the language capability? If a total stranger asked me to call, and I know I would be expected to speak in Nepali - I language I do not speak - would I call? So the best thing to do is to learn from this experience and not try unusual ways of reaching the boys. Too many unexpected factors may complicate things. #10 is also right to not reply to @srvhakko's enquiry however well-intentioned. Professional courtesy in this business must be to avoid talking about one potential customer to another.

How many straight boys, anywhere around the world, would wear thongs that rise so high up the bums?

@Travellerdave That is encouraging news!

@bkkmfj2648 A few things crossed my mind as I read your wonderful reports; you've probably thought of them too, but I'd like to know how you weigh these issues: 1. Seeing the empty field around your tower block and noting your comment that the seaside town is only half built, do you anticipate noisy, dusty construction activity right in front of your balcony in months/years to come? I am aware that you do not yet have a long lease on the apartment, but you seem to like that block and apartment. 2. Although I don't consider a one hour commute all that bad - it only requires proper planning for one's own errands - I wonder if it will deter grindr and other contacts from coming to you? Maybe a higher rate of no-shows? Maybe you'd have to cover their Grab cost to and fro (which may add USD 30 to your outlay each time). Especially if the hungry boys are mostly working in the business outsourcing industry of IT Park.