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https://loriamedical.com/ I spent some minutes checking out the details of the procedures. There are pictures of results too. For example, the penile elongation procedure is designed to give you a flaccid length of about 6 inches... and an erect length of 6 inches (plus a wee bit more). The flaccid dick is going to look weird. As for the girth enhancements, oh gosh! Doesn't look any better than the poor Thai boys who have had it done. However, I can understand that for the small minority born with a deformity, this is a better than nothing.

Indeed, the social bars in Soi 4 face Silom Road, but the gogo bars of Patpong soi 2 are closer to Surawong Road (as are Moonlight and The One). It's hard to say which side of the Silom-Surawong block makes the bars more accessible.

I'm not being facetious here, but maybe other members of the board are assuming that olddaddy is able to walk the distances we walk. So maybe @Olddaddy can give us a better idea what his predicament is. 1. How far can you walk (in Bangkok's temperatures) before becoming breathless, or before your knees start to hurt? 2. How many upwards steps can you do without becoming breathless or knees hurt?

Was B2B still 200 baht tip or more? Did he quote for HJ?

True, that. "Sidegra" is pronounced as see-day-grah. Not pronounced as side-grer (rhymes with "cider" or "tiger") as I once heard a farang refer to it as.

For which product?

The local brand for Sildenafil is Sidegra. By law, it can only be purchased with a prescription. Taking advantage of the fact that selling over the counter is therefore contrary to law, many pharmacies overcharge. However, there are a number on the Sukhumvit stretch that have reasonable pricing, and there is one on Rama IV road that has reasonable pricing too. I wrote about it here: https://shamelessmacktwo.travel.blog/2024/07/10/money-changers-and-the-gold-line/ (you need to scroll down to the section about Sildenafil). There is no local brand for Tadalafil. The nearest alternative is the Indian-made brand Apcalis. I see it being sold by roadside vendors along Sukhumvit Road, but since I do not trust the storage conditions or even if it's real, I don't know what the pricing is because I have not asked (not recently at least). Maybe some pharmacies sell Apcalis too, and if they do, you will probably get it cheaper than Cialis, but I could be wrong; fact is, I don't know about the pricing. The Indian-made brand for Sildenafil is Kamagra. It too can be found on roadside stalls, but I don't see why anyone would buy Kamagra when Sidegra is available. I think the majority of phamarcies have female staff, so it's something you may have to get used to. Rest assured, they're used to male customers asking for ED drugs. I think they get very few female customers asking for ED drugs 🤪

Hmm, that's pretty young. For every 3 or 4 of them getting leg massages, there is perhaps one upstairs getting the full works, I reckon. And if my observations in earlier visits are any guide, in the bars they are perhaps two-thirds guys and one third girls. There tend to be more guy customers closer to midnight though, from what I have seen.

Small dicks are an advantage when you're top. You won't get bottom boys turn you down with "You too big, cannot!". Until... you meet a well-practised bottom who is loose and roomy down there, in which case you don't feel a thing, and the boy asks, "You enter inside already or not?". Whereupon it shrinks to nothingness.

@a-447 How full was Fresh Boy? Were the other customers younger, i.e. in their 30s? Paid offs may not be necessary if they are young enough to get free sex in saunas. Visiting Bangkok with friends (and possibly sharing rooms) also inhibit offing. As you described yourself... It's also been said on this board that East Asian customers' routine might be to get a massage in the afternoon and then go to the bars. I don't have observations to support or negate this, though.

The Dianas, Honeys, Cathys, Wendys and Marys of Pattaya have long been one-way streets. Money only flowed one way.

In my experience, not always legendary. I've had those who tend to lie back and let the client do the work. I've had some who spend so much time performing the preliminaries, the 60 minutes are effectively reduced to 40 minutes. But I can certainly agree that the batting average is better than boys from Thai places, and I don't think Japanese management would tolerate the kind of guy that Daniu reported about in his thread "Bangkok Experience" - the Vietnamese guy who "bragged about how he was the #1 boy in" Bangkok's Good Boy bar and then made a scene over compensation. The flip side of all that discipline is that the Japanese boys are very conscious of time. If time's up, then time's up. They hop off the bed and turn on the shower. 🤪

In shower, client says to service provider: "Eh, why don't you have any pubic hair? Have you grown any?"

Please do. Because this forum on Cambodia isn't as active as the one for Bangkok, up to date information on our kind of places is going to be especially helpful.

Thank you for this detailed report. Old timers like me are always interested to see how newbies respond to the scene and what they think of it.

On reading this article, something made me look up where Okubo Park was and then I realised that I was there in an earlier trip. I didn't realise it was called Okubo Park, and I would not have imagined it was called a park. It was a concrete quadrangle that looked like a cluster of ball courts. It was surrounded by tall fences (so balls won't get out of the space?) and when I was there (after dinner) the whole place was locked up and empty. Maybe it was only open during the day. However, I remember, very distinctly, seeing girls leaning on the fence outside of the quadrangle. They were obviously working girls because they were dressed in juvenile-looking make-believe costumes that Japanese men seem to like in their playtime companions. There were a few men leaning on the fence as well, but they were rather rough looking and I was pretty sure they were the girls' pimps. At no time did I think the men were available themselves. Or rather, I don't remember seeing any boys offering themselves. The only men leaning on the fence were those rough looking types. Maybe I was there just after some clean-up campaign. If so, the clean-up might have been very gender-specific, for the girls (and their pimps) hardly looked nervous about being hauled up. They were sooooo obvious. A small point: Despite what was written in the article, I think it is outside (adjacent to) the Kabukicho district, not in it.

What? How did @Olddaddy's "7 nights" become 7 inches?

Thai journalism! Here's what I think transpired at a meeting called by the minister, at which the President and representatives of ACTF participated: Minister: "I am sure we all agree that Thailand should be seen by others as a first world country with high moral standards..." He turns the pages of his folder, accidentally revealing a stash of cash hidden between pages; he quickly closes the folder and continues with narry a skip, "... and we should be not be associated with sex tourism and illegal gambling." ACTF: "Yes, minister, we must take initiatives to achieve that." Minister: "Indeed, we should have ideas and proposals for that." ACTF: "We propose that we do that." Reporter scribbles into notebook: "Pattaya’s tourism operators have put forth a proposal to the tourism minister, aiming to transform the city’s image into a family-friendly destination, distancing it from associations with sex tourism and illegal gambling. However, no details were presented." (Editor would later scratch out However, no details were presented.) Minister: "We should talk more often on this. Maybe I can make a working visit to one of your golf resorts and check out the greens, and hold the next meeting in Pattaya itself, perhaps over some fine dining that the city has to offer." ACTF (wondering about whether their association's budget allows for it): "Yes, minister, that is a very good idea. Collaboration is key to success." Minister: "Thailand's economy in all other areas is not in good health. Our exports of agricultural products decreased 8.3 percent year-on-year in December 2023, and for this year, our overall GDP growth is likely to be sluggish, at a forecasted 2.4%. Tourism is our only bright spot otherwise we will lose the next election because More Forward will win even bigger. Then I won't be able to come play golf or dine with you if I am no longer minister. So, we must boost tourism and rebrand the city." ACTF: "You are so, so right, minister. We must boost tourism and rebrand the city." Reporter scribbes into notebook: "The ACTF and the minister discussed plans to collaborate on boosting Pattaya tourism and rebranding the city." ACTF president adds, "Actually, we have already evolved from being a nightlife hotspot to a more family-friendly city with a diverse range of activities." Reporter scribbles into notebook: "Thanet Supornsahasrungsi, President of the ACTF, highlighted that Pattaya has evolved from being a nightlife hotspot to a more family-friendly city with a diverse range of activities." Minister: "It's not in our best interest to say that we have already evolved. We have to say that it is a goal and a continuing campaign is needed, otherwise our ministry will not be able to argue for budget allocation from the Finance ministry. Without a budget, many things are not possible." ACTF president: "I'm sorry, my previous statement was badly phrased. I should have said 'Pattaya has the potential to become a city of various attractions and a hub for investment as well as world-class events'... yes, I think that's how we should say it." Reporter scribbles into notebook: "ACTF president clarifies that 'Pattaya has the potential to become a city of various attractions and a hub for investment as well as world-class events'.”

Nine Spa or Master Gallery - and what's the URL for Master Gallery's website?

The Master Gallery is very far from downtown. It's in Udomsuk, but not even close to the Udomsuk BTS. From the BTS station, it's another 2.5km up Udom Suk Road. It isn't clear either whether its prices are before tips. I suspect they are. Nor can I see any indication of expected tipping levels. Would be adviseable to get more details via Line before going.

I think a week is plenty. I guess the flight time is 9-10 hours? That's quite easy to do, espeically if one leg is an overnighter (so you don't lose a day). Moreover, there's only a few hours time zone difference so there's no jet lag to worry about. If you do something like what @vinapu does, you can squeeze in 18 encounters (6 days x 3 encounters a day). That should leave you happy enough. One cost consideration would be if you absolutely must fly business class. Honestly, I don't see what's so difficult about economy class, but yeah, if that is a non-negotiable requirement for making a trip then it can make a difference to your calculations. As for my own thinking, a week is about the maximum I can withstand in Bangkok. More than that, I'd be getting bored and restless.

To be fair when making such comparisons, one has to be rigourous in comparing like with like. In Japan, you were referring to escort agencies whereas in your second paragraph, you were referring to gogo bars. The typical escort agency in Japan expects customers to pre-book from an array of photographs. One can either use their in-house rooms or ask the manager to send the boy to your hotel. I am more familiar with in-house rooms so I will restrict my comments to this. The equivalent in Bangkok would not be the gogo bars but the brothels of Saphan Khwai. There too, customers browse and book via their photo arrays, and have a choice of in-house rooms or having the boy come to the hotel. As you noted, a typical rate for a one-hour session in an in-house room would be 14,000 yen. I'd say that is the lower end, and an average of 15,000 yen might be more realistic. This fee includes the room cost. What would be the equivalent cost in Saphan Khwai? I'd say a VIP room (see next para) would cost an average of 500 baht for one hour, and the boy might ask for 1000 - 1200 baht (say average = 1100) for one hour. So total cost would be 1600 baht. Why VIP room? Because the in-house rooms in the Japanese agencies come with private bathrooms (most of the time, at least) so using the principle of like-with-like, I shouldn't use the Saphan Khwai rate for the basic rooms, where the shower is down the hallway and shared with other customers. No doubt, some other posters would point out that in Jey Spa, etc, the boys expect much more than 1000 - 1200 baht for one hour. True, but again like-with-like. The type of boys the Japanese agencies offer are almost always twinks when we're talking about the 14,000 yen rate. So Saphan Khwai is a more appropriate reference than Jey Spa or Aurora Massage. Now let's do the currency conversion. At today's exchange rate of 4.15 yen to one baht, 14,000 yen would be 3,373 baht; 15,000 yen would be 3,614 baht. That's slightly more than double the Saphan Khwai cost averaging 1,600 baht. So let's not be too quick to sing the praises of Japan. That said, Japan still offers good value when compared to the ridiculous pricing in many Western countries. But then again, Japan offers good value in respect of food costs, public transport, healthcare and hotel costs, etc, compared to the crazy West. Now I will hand over to the experts from Latin America; would be interesting to hear of a similarly rigourous comparison from there.

It's not just the F&B businesses. Now other shops such as Walgreens pharmacy, after totalling up the items you're buying, put in an extra question, asking how much you wish to add to the bill by way of "donations"! The other annoying thing about the US is the fact that their menu and sticker prices are before tax. There's no good way to know what the real prices are. I can't understand why Americans put up with this.

Not sure I understand. Why would refusal of entry disproportionately affect international air arrivals from neighbouring countries, and why would these travellers start their journey all over again by land?

They look like parts of CT scan machines discarded by some hospital and dental or ear-nose-throat specialists' lights.