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Negligible compared to the positive experiences, nonetheless worth sharing: On my first trip to Thailand I played along the "Royal Palace is closed scam". At the last temple stop, the driver just abandoned me: he was gone when I came back to the parking places. Occasional offers for fixed fare by taxi drivers, usually twice of what it would cost by meter. Three confirmed thefts by boys, two more unconfirmed. Out of a total of estimated 200 encounters. One boy wanted to borrow 10,000 THB and brought a mobile phone as pawn. Actually have to consider all "borrow money" as scam as they are either not willing or not able to return the money. Over the years, about 2000 Baht loss this way. Nowadays, I consider all lent money as a gift. On tuk-tuk from Nong Khai railway station to border, driver asked if we want visa and as there was no recline of his offer (we were about 4), he turned to roadside "visa office". From having been to Lao before, I recognized this as a scam and told him to continue to border, which he did. Not really a scam, but half a year ago I forgot my bag with stuff in a taxi (actually a friend left it in the taxi, he is to blame), realized shortly afterwards, called their hotline and gave all details. Didn't get the bag back. Resale value maybe 50 Baht, replacement value about 500 Baht, some stuff of emotional value. Scams in other countries: In Bali I fell for the money exchange scam and lost the equivalent of 30 Euro when exchanging 100 Euro. Bus station a few km out of town in Siem Reap and in Bali with taxi and tuk tuk drivers descending onto passengers.

A civilized discussion with educated people, a rare thing on the gay forums! After seizing power, I would grant a transition period where everyone affected has time to abjure drug use. After that, there would be re-education camps for those who didn't use the transition period. Everyone would come out clean of these re-education camps. And only for the most recalcitrant, there would be death sentence. But this is moot, I would rather like to hear how those who are for legalizing drugs would prevents accidents by drug users. Laws to reduce second hand smoke to not work. Only recently I was in the disco of Farose 2 sauna, ample smoking in there. I remember my time in Paris: restaurants are non-smoking inside and smoking outside. Smokers would smoke outside, non-smokers would be forced to go inside to avoid the smoke (not that I went to that many restaurants in Paris, but I clearly remember). And how to protect children from their smoking parents in their own homes? Laws against drunk driving to not work. A large part of traffic accidents is from drunk driving. Here I agree. Recreational drugs can be produced cheaply, the high prices for illegal drugs are only because they are illegal. If legalized, they would be affordable to everyone. Drug-related crime would indeed disappear, but accidents by people under influence would increase. 99 people can use alcohol reasonably, but 1 causes an accident while driving drunk. How do you balance the enjoyment of 99 to the damage (death and injury) caused by 1? If you disagree with my suggestions, let me know why and show different solutions than mine, and I might change my opinion. I admit that prohibition did not work and the war on drugs does not work. The questions is: abort or increase efforts? Those in power might just want to keep the current status (illegal drug use with all side effects versus leagalizing or abolishing drug use). Not a story, but two deaths in my family that support my anti-drug position. My grandfather died of lung cancer after being a heavy smoker for decades. (There is no proof that these are related, but statistics say that smokers get lung cancer more often than non-smokers.) My uncle died in a swimming accident under influence of alcohol. (My remaining uncle jokes the problem was the swimming, not the alcohol. If he had sat in his chair or laid on his bed while drunk, like all the years before, nothing would have happened).

And what about others who will be affected? Second hand smoke, traffic accidents from drunk driving, drug-related crime and finally costs for medical treatment?

If I had absolute power, I would ban all drugs, including alcohol and tobacco. The prison problem can be solved by death sentence for everyone who is producing or dealing, or user after being caught the third time. Some countries already have death sentence, and people argue that it doesn't work as deterrent, well I say it works: everyone sentenced to death will never produce, deal or consume drugs again! There are discussions about legalizing cannabis in several western countries, a capitulation of reason, in my opinion.

And the difference between 100 Dollar and 1000 Dollar is only a 0. One more passive experience with poppers, actually decomposed poppers which gave the boy's breath a smell that I found rather sickening: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2016/04/gay-activities-feb-2016.html Other than that, I know poppers only from internet (the occasional profile that sells poppers on gayromeo or hornet). I don't remember any boy talking to me about poppers, or seeing paraphernalia (these characteristic bottles).

Weekly is a good idea. My impression is that most Thai boys can make a certain amount of money last a week (and if not, just tell them to wait for the next deposit), but not a month. Sending money to a Thai boy is like trying to fill a bucket with water that has a hole. (Imagine a picture with with a half full bucket and water flowing out of the hole, and some filling it up at the same rate the water is flowing out and crying: I need more water. - If I had artistic talent I would draw such a picture.) (Other comparison: certain diseases that doctors cannot cure, only alleviate the effects.)

There is only one gay sauna in Pattaya: Sansuk. The standard of facilities is good (several visits, last visit over a year ago) I would never take a boy into a sauna; at home I have better facilities, it's free and I don't have to travel.

That's Thai Best Massage. My favorite massage boy used to work there: http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/02/thai-best-massage-silom-soi-8.html http://christianpfc.blogspot.com/2014/05/thai-best-massage-update.html (note I say "favorite massage boy" and not "favorite massage place" as it all depends on the boy, another boy at the same place was useless at happy ending). Can recommend the place (good choice of boys, good prices, good rooms).

Some places get talked about more for no apparent reason. This effect is self-enhancing: someone who comes to Thailand for the first time will know only these places from internet, and will go there and report about his experiences in these places. I have been to the massage places next to Tawan and opposite Tawan (don't remember their exact names), no complaints. From a higher rate for massage you can expect a higher standard of room (bigger, nicer decoration), whereas from a higher minimum tip I would not expect a better massage or better happy ending. Therefore I usually go to low- or mid-price massage places. For me, the important point is the masseur, not the massage place. And I think my chances to find one who is skilled at massage, happy ending and is my type are the same in all massage places.

From my observations, I have come to the conclusion that not lack of money is the problem, but poor planning. vinapu: and this brings entirely new subject. Most of us probably don't realize how many boys are intimidated by the big city and don't know their way around. Once Arena boy / around the corner from Chong Nonsi BTS / told me he never took a BTS because he doesn't know how to go about it. When I first came to Bangkok, I didn't know how to use MRT/BTS/ARL/bus/boat. And I didn't speak the language. What I did was READ and ASK others.

The gay-friendliest gym must be the one in Babylon sauna, and they offer massage as well.

The prices you were quoted are clearly wishful thinking, hoping some newbie or rich would bite. August 2015 Boys Boys Boys I was quoted: Enquire about prices: off fee 400, short time 1500, room upstairs 500 (in addition to off fee). http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2015/08/pattaya-august-2015.html and in March 2015 a boy asked for 2500, then lowered to 2000 on Line after work (Nop in Kawaii) http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2016/03/pattaya-march-2016.html That one was quite attractive and might have been the star of the bar. And if he just had a customer and is awash with money, I can understand this, but will not pander to such an attitude. I will be back and repeat my offer of 1000, and move on if he doesn't accept.

I'm renting. My search for a place is reported here: http://christianpfc.blogspot.de/2014/05/looking-for-room-in-sathorn.html

If you have no previous experience with gay sex, I recommend going to a gay sauna first (there is only one in Pattaya: Sansuk, and many in Bangkok). Entry price is similar to one drink in bar, but in the darkrooms and steamroom you can touch or do even more (within reason and mutual agreement) all for free. As for threesome boy-you-your girlfriend, that should be easy to arrange as many boys who work in gay bars are straight anyway (but ratio can vary considerably from bar to bar).

The price is (not clearly, but in small print) displayed in the corner of that picture/flyer the doorman shows passers-by to entice them in. Currently 400 Baht, however when I went with 2 friends a few months ago we manage to negotiate down to 250 per person per drink.

Did you get such a massage in Thailand? In all my time in Thailand, I have only met one masseur (Bank in Magic Hands 2) who has skills similar to those you describe.

I would look around near your place. I'm sure most laundries offer pick-up and delivery service or can arrange it, although I have never used it.

I stay in Bangkok because there is more to see and do than e.g. Chiang Mai or Pattaya and public transport is better and easy to travel elsewhere in Thailand. Staying in Sathorn is more or less by chance: before my first trip I asked a friend for hotel suggestion, and stayed at Ibis Sathorn. Then I knew the area and had friends there, so all subsequent visits (except when I had a job in Bangkok, then staying near my workplace) I stayed in Sathorn again. Proximity to airport is not important, but I need bus stop and MRT or BTS in walking distance, and proximity to train station is desirable.

Where was the picture with the pillars made of carved wood taken?

"Is anyone interested in local straight men ?" Absolutely! More so than with gay boys. But not with taxi drivers. In estimated 500 taxi rides, I haven't seen a single one I would like to have sex with. The few times we talked about boys or girls, I didn't learn anything new. But I have seen a few handsome mocy drivers.

(my underline) That means the boy sat next to you in a tank top, and from my last visit years ago I remember boy on stage are mostly in tank top. I won't pay a single Satang to watch boys in tank tops! #60's face and upper body are certainly appealing, but when I see his upper legs, the first thing that comes to my mind is (hairy spider): https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/9/98/Brachypelma_smithi_2009_G03.jpg/240px-Brachypelma_smithi_2009_G03.jpg

Thank you very much for your efforts. The document is not printer friendly, when printing on A4 paper, you need good eyes to read it. I suggest changing the format to use a bigger font next edition. There is a huge coming and going of Thai4Thai gay massage places, advertised in Thai language on Thai websites/social networks. But fortunately, those targeting foreigners are stable in number and location, only few closures and movings.

I'm different. I stand by my principles, and for the few cases I encountered lazy and demanding boys, I relish the memories of showing them their place. And it is indeed that combination "lazy and demanding", a boy who is just lazy but not demanding, I would send him away with standard tip or a bit less; and a boy who is good in bed and demanding, I would tip him more than average because I want to see him again. But lazy and demanding shall not be encouraged by ChristianPFC by caving in to unwarranted money requests. My favorite such encounter (not even sex, just gay disco with intention), shared before but so good, worth sharing again: One more “Walking ATM” incident that I had no place to report. In September last year (2013), I went to Fake Pub (near Chatuchak Market currently 2016 in Ratchada). It was packed, there were few other Farang and few cute boys. One of the cute boys was smiling at me and invited me to his table. He was dancing in front of me and grabbing my crotch. I was thinking feverishly if I would go with him, because seeing him from close he was not that attractive any more. Finally he asked me if I would contribute some money for their drinks. Now that got my brain spinning at highest speed. Money for drinks for a boy with whom I would not go to my room after disco? Maybe 100 or 200 Baht, for the sake of Thai-German friendship. While I was still thinking, he bursted out: “1000 Baht?”. “Sorry, cannot.” Thereupon the impression on his face changed: “Just go!” and he handed my my bottle of beer that I had put on their table. Made my day and I am still chuckling when I think back about this sudden change.

Good post, but the first significant split of Christianity took place already in 1054 to split into Catholic Churches and Eastern Orthodox. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/East%E2%80%93West_Schism https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Christianity

Thanks for your reports. Sorry to hear Playboy is closed, I spotted several cute boys and had massage with some in the past. If any member knows what's going on, please share.