That's all I'm going to say in the topic title without elaborating yet ...

I will elaborate later 

But I will say what I find different when I went back to Thailand after a 4 year break was the term "moneyboy" ,never heard it before .

Ok any thoughts on my topic question?

Well, mine are older. They were 20 back then. Now, they are 40. 20 years makes a huge difference in age.

 

The new generation of money boys are more business oriented they want money here and now they don't develop unrealistic expectations for long term romantic relationship with falangs .

The most important change is that the quantity and quality of the Thai boys available reduced substantially due the huge improvement in the Thai economy.

4 hours ago, Boy69 said:

The most important change is that the quantity and quality of the Thai boys available reduced substantially due the huge improvement in the Thai economy.

I wanted to say that but you were faster, Then foreigners were rarity , now , at least in some bars they seem to dominate.

Biggest difference is that then they had smile and cock, now they have smile,  cock and smartphone which is often more rigid than their cock.

The flip side of the question is likewise worth considering:

How are customers different than say 20 years ago?

They're older

They're more suspicious

They're more paranoid

Other than that, I don't see a lot of difference 🙂

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22 minutes ago, reader said:

 

How are customers different than say 20 years ago?

 

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who cares about customers ? we are there for a boys not their clients.

But if you ask I see 2 differences

more ladies in the bars but mercifully not in massages (yet?)

20 years ago customers had their wallets and presumably cocks and were looking at the scene or conversing with their companions if any.

Now, cocks and wallets are still there but smartphones are fighting with boys on the stage or beside  for attention

2 hours ago, vinapu said:

Now, cocks and wallets are still there but smartphones are fighting with boys on the stage or beside  for attention

So true, the world over.

exactly. The current young generation has really been fucked up by smart phones. And the older generations have too I suppose. Everyone's attention spans have been

Mostly very similar to how Thailand itself has changed in those 20 yrs (ahum, now that you ask it-my first visit was in the 80ies, so I am nearing the 40 yrs jubilee. However, the very first was out of Malaysia as a normal young bekpekking tourist and was not that inviting to come back soon-I was hooked to Indonesia that period-and in fact still kind of like it more as Thai). And it always surprises me how even much normal economy and daily living can change in TH when I return(ed-as in the past <covid) after 1/2 year-another wet season passed by.

They all have a fone-or 2. They are tech-savvy with those things. They are much sooner bored with just sitting=waiting for possible clients to pop in. Most do not really want anymore to follow in bars what the big boss dictates, nor is here really a big need to do so. Command of foreign languages is far higher (chinese is also a difficult thing to learn for Thai). The most wanted brands for clothing have likely changed-the shoes remain Nike, but who wears shoes in bars/places? The walkmen (remember those?) have gone for passing time. The real advanced have even adapted to a cash-less world - pretty common in western Eur for now. The amount of guys talking about poor mums/dads over there in the ricefarms of Isany has dwindled a lot.

And yes-it is no more just Thai+the odd foreigner from just beyond sneeking over-rather reverse. Big shift from being offed from bars to ready to act massageshops.

"Most" now have succumbed to the peer pressure of ridiculous tattoos.  

1 hour ago, bucky13 said:

"Most" now have succumbed to the peer pressure of ridiculous tattoos.  

I will happily take all of the tattooed boys! 😍

1 hour ago, bucky13 said:

"Most" now have succumbed to the peer pressure of ridiculous tattoos.  

Tattoos were around before ,but yes different style from the back Buddha one which I don't see much anymore.

Gone now are the silicone dicks, didn't see any on my last trip to Nice boys go go unlike 15 years ago 

3 hours ago, Olddaddy said:

Gone now are the silicone dicks, didn't see any on my last trip to Nice boys go go unlike 15 years ago 

I noticed that too, not quite gone  but much rarer now than even 5 years ago. I saw one in Dec and one with removed mooks in May

Unfortunately Joe, of Nice Boys got the silicone job. It was perfect before, now is like a fat torpedo. Really ugly, but still functioning.

14 hours ago, bucky13 said:

"Most" now have succumbed to the peer pressure of ridiculous tattoos.  

So true! What a waste of lovely brown skin.

9 hours ago, vinapu said:

I noticed that too, not quite gone  but much rarer now than even 5 years ago. I saw one in Dec and one with removed mooks in May

And that ties in with @bucky13's use of the term "peer pressure". The boys make these silly choices largely because of this. First there were silicone dicks, but many of these victims have since moved out of sex work. Then in the decade 2000 -2010, half the boys kept moustaches, but at least these could be shaved off when the fad passed. Now we're at tattoos which, like silicone dicks, are permanent.

22 hours ago, Boy69 said:

The new generation of money boys are more business oriented they want money here and now

I don't know if this is really a change from before. In this oldest profession, certain survival strategies were honed many generations before us. 

But, to stay on olddaddy's point - how are moneyboys different from 20 years ago - let me give you one memorable incident from the early to mid 1990s. It was in Barbiery Bar ( a handful of us may remember that bar quite fondly) and one evening I was quite taken with a particular gogo boy. I got him to sit with me for a while and then asked if he was available for short time. I remember his exact words to this day: "I am expensive," he said. "1,000 baht."

Indeed, that was expensive, for at the time the going rate was 600 - 700 baht. So I tipped him 20 baht and let hm leave.

These figures may leave some of the newer members of this forum gasping.

On the subject of inflation, I kick myself for not having kept good records of my expenses from the 1990s. But I do have notes from the period 2005 - 2010, and I am drafting a post for ShamelessMack2 showing how prices have leapt up since that period, especially when compared against Thailand's much more moderate increase in the Consumer Price Index. Coming soon....

aren't those wispy little mustaches back in fashion again?

4 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

, and I am drafting a post for ShamelessMack2 

I like your recent posts about Pattaya survival and BoyzBoyzBoyz in your blog and I'm sorry to hear you did not like your experience there as for me it's still 'must go ' place in Pattaya, even with those dressed boys and screaming ladies