8 minutes ago, Bkkboi said:

I went to Dreamboys (opp to Xboys Pattaya) and I paid 550THB to the bar to off the guy and paid him 2000thb directly. The drinks were either 200 or 250 thb each for me and the guy. Dreamboys had about 10 to 12 guys on stage all shirtless. 

so they raised price of off fee by 50 as only 3 weeks ago I paid 500

15 hours ago, vinapu said:

I remedied it  and still occasionally do with arranging day time visit day before. Specially hand on days when bars are closed

i tried that and on both occasions the guy didn't turn-up....and I lost heart. No mobiles in those days, by the way. And from then on, it was case of "a bird in the hand is worth two in a bush."

I hope our US cousins use that old proverb.

39 minutes ago, Londoner said:

i tried that and on both occasions the guy didn't turn-up....and I lost heart. No mobiles in those days, by the way. And from then on, it was case of "a bird in the hand is worth two in a bush."

I hope our US cousins use that old proverb.

Nothing wrong with outdoor sex!

6 hours ago, Londoner said:

it was case of "a bird in the hand is worth two in a bush."

 

I know it in version ' better sparrow in hand than eagle on the roof"

The Thai version is "better shit in your hand than a fart [ in your hand]"

4 minutes ago, 10tazione said:

The Thai version is "better shit in your hand than a fart [ in your hand]"

quite enchanting

Does anyone own a copy of "Thai for Gay Tourists?" it is full of colloquial expressions that may be helpful (or embarrassing) in our encounters.   It must have been about fifteen years ago that I bought mine but, as usual, P objected to my using any of the idiomatic phrases. He hates it when I try to speak Thai and so I've learnt to keep quiet. Others may be more successful. 

Thai for Gay Tourists by S. Pakdeesiam

 

 

 

12 hours ago, Londoner said:

Does anyone own a copy of "Thai for Gay Tourists?" it is full of colloquial expressions that may be helpful (or embarrassing) in our encounters.   It must have been about fifteen years ago that I bought mine but, as usual, P objected to my using any of the idiomatic phrases. He hates it when I try to speak Thai and so I've learnt to keep quiet. Others may be more successful. 

Thai for Gay Tourists by S. Pakdeesiam

 

 

 

I think as time has moved on many of the idioms now  have modern versions and some old versions are now completely unheard of by later generations.

I suspect you are right. There are colloquialisms in English that, when heard in old UK films, seem  dated.

On 9/17/2025 at 3:11 PM, Londoner said:

It must have been about fifteen years ago that I bought mine but, as usual, P objected to my using any of the idiomatic phrases. He hates it when I try to speak Thai and so I've learnt to keep quiet.

 

 

 

Why does he "hate" it when you try to speak Thai?

20 hours ago, Londoner said:

I suspect you are right. There are colloquialisms in English that, when heard in old UK films, seem  dated.

I reckon colloquialisms and idioms are the most difficult for foreigners to understand. Decades ago when I had my first Japanese boyfriend and was visiting Tokyo every month, I got to know many of his Japanese friends. One evening, four of us were enjoying dinner and having a great time when I happened to ask, "Where shall we go after?" I suggested a disco as "I wanted to let my hair down."

The young friend sitting next to me worked for a French bank but spoke very good English. After a slight pause he said, "Yes, I'm also thinking of growing my hair longer!"

12 hours ago, PeterRS said:

I reckon colloquialisms and idioms are the most difficult for foreigners to understand.

that's the nature of the beast. One need to get immersed not only in language but also in culture to get those.

16 hours ago, vinapu said:

that's the nature of the beast. One need to get immersed not only in language but also in culture to get those.

I remember discussing  this issue with a German client.  It seems that many countries have the expression, 'touch wood'. I said that we say 'raining cats and dogs, for heavy rain. He said he had never heard that, their expression  is 'raining stairs rods'!

3 hours ago, Keithambrose said:

 I said that we say 'raining cats and dogs, for heavy rain. He said he had never heard that, their expression  is 'raining stairs rods'!

in country of my birth we say " throwing frogs ", sometimes also ' wall of rain"

16 minutes ago, vinapu said:

in country of my birth we say " throwing frogs ", sometimes also ' wall of rain"

I like 'throwing  frogs', very biblical!

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

in country of my birth we say " throwing frogs ", sometimes also ' wall of rain"

Wall of rain reminds me too  much of "wall of sound", the term given to the backing on albums produced by the late and creepy Phil Spector. He created this by adding many orchestral instruments to the usual guitar combos. He even characterised his method as "a Wagnerian approach to rock and roll," a description which will probably horrify Wagner fans.

Mind you, that approach was a huge success in the 1960s and 70s. as other producers jumped on the bandwagon along with artists like The Righteous Brothers, The Beach Boys, Dusty Springfield, Simon & Garfunkel, Sonny Bono, Dionne Warwick and some of the most famous ABBA numbers including "Dancing Queen". Spector even produced the last LP the Beatles ever recorded "Let It Be", the only one not produced by George Martin.

But he seems to have become quite a loathsome person who died in 2021 while serving a 19-year jail sentence for the murder of young actress.

On 9/18/2025 at 11:43 PM, mauRICE said:

Why does he "hate" it when you try to speak Thai?

Yes I'd like to hear an explanation as well. In most cultures even very modest attempts to speak the national language are considered respectful and appropriate. In the US, and in most English-speaking countries, it is considered a little insulting if a long-stay "guest" doesn't make some even feeble attempts to speak English, no?

On 9/20/2025 at 3:30 PM, Keithambrose said:

I remember discussing  this issue with a German client...their expression  is 'raining stairs rods'!

Not heard that expression in years, my mum use to use it, then again she could speak fluent German.