Bangkok/Tokyo For 2 Weeks a piece

[kram987]

1  I never tried but it probably depends on the guy,  some guys seem to have a set program  others seem to have never heard of a massage before lol.   I’ve seen massage places that do out call.  That might work better.  In any case you at H places you can just take charge.  If the massage isn’t working signal time to move on.  The guy I saw several times at arena seemed ok one time when I wanted to move on.

2 if you don’t like bars don’t go to bars.  If you do just say no, last trip I didn’t buy a single waiter/ mamasan/pimp a drink.  If i liked someone I would wave them over or ask someone to.

3 not to my knowledge other then some massage places do outcall and of course rentmen(though that’s expensive.  
 

Other options  apps(grinder etc)  lots of pros on there.   Also sex clubs/ spas:  Maxwell Olsen had a good range of young fit guys when I was there other then the locker room and pool areas you wear cloths they issue (also private cubicles available) but there are lots to choose from.

If you do think to try a  massage place I  recommend  “ ShamelessMack2”  a blog with lots of reviews where you can kind of get a feel for what the places are like.

Finally it sounds like they sensed a first timer.  For the record you were neither the first or the last to fall into this.  If you aren’t ready tell them so, when you are you pick who sits with you.  Whatever you decide have fun!

[macaroni21]

15 hours ago, emiel1981 said:

How is that possible? Goodboy has so many guys available and in my opinion also different types. Twinks, Twinks. Slim or a bit muscled. How can you find find one that you like over there? Or things must have changed there since my last visits in November. 

On a different thread someone posed the question: what are the different understandings of the word 'twink' among us. I very much want to add my thoughts to that question, but first, I have to gather my thoughts. 

As for Good Boy,

14 hours ago, vinapu said:

???

I don't call the rotation boys in Good Boy twinks. If I have to find a word, I'd use the anodyne 'medium build'. But I see a huge difference between the medium-builds of Good, Fresh and Hotmale.

There is what I call the "effortless medium" -- the kind of physique that the deity above makes quite naturally out of young men. Some people call it the 'boy next door' type. They are beautiful in my eyes. I see many in Fresh and Hotmale of this type. I see none in Good.

Then there is the "scruffy medium" -- where what the deity has made has been modified by hard labour. They are taut, sinewy, maybe a bit weather-beaten. Some might think of the terms 'tradie type', or 'farmhand type'. They predominate in Good. Made worse by unkempt hair and gross tattoos, thus "scruffy", often bringing to mind street hawkers.

The third type is the opposite of Scruffy. I call them the "washed mediums". Yeah I prefer my boys clean and washed. What the deity has made is modified again by a bit of gymming into slightly sculpted bodies -- but not all the way a la Moonlight models, which is likely aided with chemical enhancement. Often, washed mediums come with good skin and nice haircuts. I see some of them at Fresh, and many more of them at Hotmale.

[macaroni21]

@PeterRS How does one use a map that is 15 years old? There's a serious risk of outdated information.

If we used a 15-year old map of Bangkok or Pattaya, we'd be making a beeline for Soi Twilight and Sunnee plaza... 

I always prefer online maps. They are more likely to be up to date and since I am already carrying a phone, why carry another object - a book?

But coming to the point, I have never had trouble finding places in Japan, though maybe I haven't been trying to get to out of the way places. Most establishments nowadays are able to send you a googlemap reference that is very accurate.

[jason1975]

8 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

I don't call the rotation boys in Good Boy twinks. If I have to find a word, I'd use the anodyne 'medium build'. But I see a huge difference between the medium-builds of Good, Fresh and Hotmale.

There is what I call the "effortless medium" -- the kind of physique that the deity above makes quite naturally out of young men. Some people call it the 'boy next door' type. They are beautiful in my eyes. I see many in Fresh and Hotmale of this type. I see none in Good.

Then there is the "scruffy medium" -- where what the deity has made has been modified by hard labour. They are taut, sinewy, maybe a bit weather-beaten. Some might think of the terms 'tradie type', or 'farmhand type'. They predominate in Good. Made worse by unkempt hair and gross tattoos, thus "scruffy", often bringing to mind street hawkers.

The third type is the opposite of Scruffy. I call them the "washed mediums". Yeah I prefer my boys clean and washed. What the deity has made is modified again by a bit of gymming into slightly sculpted bodies -- but not all the way a la Moonlight models, which is likely aided with chemical enhancement. Often, washed mediums come with good skin and nice haircuts. I see some of them at Fresh, and many more of them at Hotmale.

So can I assume your ranking of the 3 bars (as recommendation for OP)

1) Hot Male

2) Fresh boys

3) Good Boy

🤣🤣🤣

[macaroni21]

2 hours ago, jason1975 said:

So can I assume your ranking of the 3 bars (as recommendation for OP)

Not recommendation for OP who has his own taste, or for anyone else. Based on my taste, and for myself.

[PeterRS]

11 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

@PeterRS How does one use a map that is 15 years old? There's a serious risk of outdated information.

If we used a 15-year old map of Bangkok or Pattaya, we'd be making a beeline for Soi Twilight and Sunnee plaza... 

That's a rather unusual and I reckon unnecessary comment coming from @macaroni21. First I did say a "bilingual guide like this one" adding there are many available on amazon. I did not recommend mine although I bought it 15 years ago. And surely he is perfectly well aware that publishers do not keep such map guidebooks for 15 years without regular updating. All such books are updated every few years. That said, I have used the small map book whose pic I printed and have never had trouble finding anywhere in Tokyo. He should also be aware as one who visits Tokyo that Tokyo's Bangkok's gay areas are far more permanent than Thailand's. Shinjuku ni-chome has been there for the more than four decades since my first visit. Ueno also fits that bill to a lesser extent, as do several other areas.

I have nothing against online maps which provide precise details of gay establishments. But for general getting around, I will always also have a small book map with me even though generally they have no mention whatever of any type of bars.

[macaroni21]

I hope what I said didn't come across as offensive, because offending was certainly not my intention. But if I sounded offensive, please accept my apologies. My point was simply that cities change constantly, and online maps support changes (and often they're free) better than print. Sure, they can issue new editions from time to time, but even so, one has buy them.

[mauRICE]

On 2/19/2026 at 11:06 AM, macaroni21 said:

@PeterRS How does one use a map that is 15 years old? There's a serious risk of outdated information.

If we used a 15-year old map of Bangkok or Pattaya, we'd be making a beeline for Soi Twilight and Sunnee plaza... I always prefer online maps. 

Well the good news is those Sunee Plaza boys would be of legal age now. 😏

[PeterRS]

15 hours ago, macaroni21 said:

I hope what I said didn't come across as offensive, because offending was certainly not my intention. But if I sounded offensive, please accept my apologies. My point was simply that cities change constantly, and online maps support changes (and often they're free) better than print. Sure, they can issue new editions from time to time, but even so, one has buy them.

Absolutely no offence taken - indeed merely gratitude for all you contribute and not just to this thread. I totally agree that cities do change constantly and pre-printed maps/atlases can certainly be out of date quite quickly - depending on the cities. I suppose my ideal is using a handy bi-lingual atlas like the one I posted which makes finding Japanese addresses quite easy since the address format used in Japan is totally unlike that in most other countries, and a downloaded map showing in more detail exactly where my intended destination is.

A little anecdote. In between jobs I once flew to Europe with a Eurail pass to visit lots of places. In Madrid I based myself in a small hotel near the main station, the aim being to visit several nearby towns in the mornings - places like Toledo and Segovia - and then 'do' Madrid in the afternoons and evenings. All worked well until Toledo when it started to rain quite heavily and I decided to return earlier. On the train I walked through several carriages hoping to find a cute young Asian I could chat with. Success. I sat opposite a late 20s Chinese. I noticed that we were both using the same Guide Book (these were early internet days). And that's what I told him when trying to start up a conversation. He responded with something like, "Yes, they're really good." I then added, "I can tell from your accent that you are from Singapore." Which did not faze him a bit, but his next comment certainly fazed me. "And I know that you live in Hong Kong!"

It turned out that he had worked with one of the government's economic departments when I was negotiating some deal with colleagues from my company in Hong Kong. Then he had been a slightly younger, nearly head-shaven civil servant. Now he had long hair and much more of a hippie look, having left government service some months earlier. I started to get my hopes up that we could meet later that evening. Then he told me he would be joining his girlfriend once we got to Madrid. Bummer!

 

[vinapu]

18 minutes ago, PeterRS said:

 I totally agree that cities do change constantly and pre-printed maps/atlases can certainly be out of date quite quickly - depending on the cities.

 

Yes and no, Hagia Sophia in Istanbul is in the same place since 532 AD and so is Notre Dame in Paris. When visiting Lviv in Ukraine in 2019 I was told that there's streetcar line running the same streets since end of 19th century, during that time city was in 4 different  countries - Austria, Poland,  USSR and Ukraine.  And Sherlock Holmes still lives at 221 B Baker Street in London  for all I know although rumors are Dr. Watson moved out already.

[BjornAgain]

On 2/19/2026 at 10:06 AM, macaroni21 said:

@PeterRS How does one use a map that is 15 years old? There's a serious risk of outdated information...

Remember back in 1973 was on the annual school skiing trip to Livigno up in the Dolomites in northern Italy. 

Flew into Milan, then coach to the resort. On the way back for some reason, properly cheaper, flew out of Munich.

I tracked the whole adventure on a couple of my father's WW2 escape maps, so 30 years old. The silk still in pristine condition, all the major towns and roads listed clearly and still present.

Admittedly you couldn't find a bank or a chemist or cafe, but then again back in 1943, you'd want to avoid them anyway.

[Keithambrose]

5 hours ago, vinapu said:

Yes and no, Hagia Sophia in Istanbul is in the same place since 532 AD and so is Notre Dame in Paris. When visiting Lviv in Ukraine in 2019 I was told that there's streetcar line running the same streets since end of 19th century, during that time city was in 4 different  countries - Austria, Poland,  USSR and Ukraine.  And Sherlock Holmes still lives at 221 B Baker Street in London  for all I know although rumors are Dr. Watson moved out already.

I visited Berlin some years ago, looking for the street/block of flats, where relatives lived before the war. I took my,old, Baedeker. I quickly  found that after the war, and the mass destruction,  many streets had been altered, or disappeared.  The street i was looking for  no longer existed. However the block/flat where Chistopher Isherwood lodged, and had much sex, was there, complete with blue plaque!