Inflated rates?!

[ChristianPFC]

On 3/27/2026 at 8:22 PM, Enchanted_Elixir said:

Guys, don’t take the bait. You know Christian gets a dominance boost out of pressing prices/tips as low as he can. 

Not true. If I encounter unreasonable offers, I offer a reasonable amount. My aim is not as low as possible, but what I find reasonable. And I can usually find someone, and 95% are eager for a repeat, meaning they find it reasonable as well.

(I say 95% to account for one boy in Pattaya who came to my room for 1000 the first time we met, but when I asked for a repeat, he said for him to come to my room I would have to add taxi fare or I can come to his room for 1000. Which I did, because I'm not too posh to ride a songtheo and walk a few hundred meters.)

[vinapu]

5 hours ago, ChristianPFC said:

Furthermore, I wish to point out that my various detractors have never met me and judge me by what I write, whereas members who have met me and know me in person defend me against unfounded accusations. 

Count me in. While my offing and  tipping habits are different than yours I see method and logic in  way you operate. 

As local so to speak you have an advantage of being insider AND having a time , luxuries not available to visitors. 

5 hours ago, ChristianPFC said:

In my vast experience, if you take someone from a higher-end establishment or pick up someone from street-trade, if you 500 or 2000 for the encounter, there is no correlation to the service delivered.

correct although  they may be different meanings  of what each of us put under ' service ' umbrella.

And there's looks issue. To put it proletarian way , good fucking guy , not necessarily must be good looking . While 90 out of 100 guys have decent cock and/ or ass, perhaps only quarter of those  are head turners in sense of looks , be it face or built or both. Which for some may be obsolete but for others be deal breaker. 

5 hours ago, ChristianPFC said:

 I provide an opposing view that a good time can be had for much less (1000 online vs. 500 own drink, 500 boy drink, 500 off fee, 2000 short time tip = 4500). 

 

again, while calculation itself  is impeccable we are hitting wall at what 'good time " means for each of us. Combing through Grindr grid  is not exactly the same kind of entrainment like  sitting in bar, drink in hand and watching three, not two dimensional guys on the stage.

Some people may consider Foodland Patpong dump, UNESCO clearly thinks opposite awarding them World Heritage status.  

[mauRICE]

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

...I see method and logic in  way you operate. 

Yes, certainly very helpful when interacting with human beings in the most intimate of circumstances. Who needs empathy or basic human decency.

 

3 hours ago, vinapu said:

...while calculation itself  is impeccable...

...yup, it's all about the maths...

75%, 85%, 95%... but EQ = 0%

 

8 hours ago, ChristianPFC said:

...but what I find reasonable... but when I asked for a repeat, he said for him to come to my room I would have to add taxi fare or I can come to his room for 1000. Which I did, because I'm not too posh to ride a songtheo and walk a few hundred meters.)

Sure, it's all about you, isn't it, as you have the upper hand in the negotiations. I, I, I, ME, ME, ME. By all means, deprive the young man of an additional 100-200 Baht transportation fee, someone whom you liked and had had a good time with otherwise you wouldn't have asked to see him again.

You speak of what's reasonable to you but is what's reasonable to you fair to him? That request for transportation costs could have been a subtle hint or euphemism for a slight increase in tip, which isn't unusual at all. What is unusual is being so thick-skinned and putting your own self at risk by going to the boy's place just to save a hundred Baht.

Incidentally, sparing the boy a hundred Baht or two isn't being "posh" (do you even know what that word means?); it's called being decent and most customers with human feelings would have given it without being asked. Thai customers would have even grabbed a few beers and bought some food from across the street to be enjoyed together.

They say you live in Thailand and speak the language but it seems to me that Thailand and the Thai people, with their gamut of emotions, kindness, silliness, canniness, humour and subtleties haven't rubbed on you at all. It hasn't changed you, which says a lot about you and your personality.

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, mauRICE said:

Yes, certainly very helpful when interacting with human beings in the most intimate of circumstances. Who needs empathy or basic human decency.

.......................................

They say you live in Thailand and speak the language but it seems to me that Thailand and the Thai people, with their gamut of emotions, kindness, silliness, canniness, humour and subtleties haven't rubbed on you at all. It hasn't changed you, which says a lot about you and your personality.

certainly you have plenty to say about people you never met, shake hand with, visit bar or have meal  together with them ( and at times,  their boy de day). 

I should say more but since I met Christian PFC at least 3 dozen times and not only in Thailand I don't want to explore that advantage.  

[vinapu]

1 hour ago, mauRICE said:

Thai customers would have even grabbed a few beers and bought some food from across the street to be enjoyed together.

 

That's too rosy based on what I hear from boys. Is not that all Americans are big tippers, all Indians stingy and all Australians have hairy ass , although Olddaddy has by his own admission,  but I wouldn't extrapolate that  too far.

[mauRICE]

50 minutes ago, vinapu said:

That's too rosy based on what I hear from boys. 

You certainly have plenty to say about my experiences with my Thai friends, contemporaries and the nightlife workers I've met, interacted with and helped over the years and you've never met or shook hands with me either. This may surprise you but the vast majority of Thais do not live and breathe Patpong and Foodland.

[PeterRS]

On 3/28/2026 at 10:24 AM, Enchanted_Elixir said:

Allegation? That is a super interesting take.

What do you wish to achieve here? You have a history of altercations with various forum members and have driven at least one thoughtful and interesting  poster away from this forum, bkkmfj. You won’t drive me away.

Again you make an allegation that is not backed up by facts, The forum member you mention reads this site almost every day as can easily be seen by the list at the bottom of the pages. So no one has been "driven away" as you wrongly claim. He has also commented through emojis on a number of posts. I do not know why he has decided to cease posting. You better ask him that. And also ask him why he wrongly dragged my name into the mud in a totally separate forum dealing with South America on May 28 last year - no doubt a post you failed to read despite my asking members first to read it. 

If you wish to cease posting, that is a matter for you not other members. If you wish me to stop posting, just say the word since clearly you do not like my posts in spite of all the valid coments I have made over around 20 years. Remind me: you have been a member for all of 6 months, I believe? At least that is what the Search engine that you describe as "shoddy"states. I should also add the vast number of photo postings of places in Asia and elsewhere I have posted which members might like to visit. But if ignorant posters like you do not want me here, I will leave the Board.  

You would do well to read @vinapu's post made four hours ago. It is as reasoned as  I believe mine was and not based on personal bias or guesswork as in your post. But you stated that @ChristianPFC - a fellow member - "gets a dominance boost out of pressing prices/tips as low as he can." Untrue! 

[Enchanted_Elixir]

The claim that you have met, spoken with, or even dined with ChristianPFC, and that there exists a discrepancy between his online persona and his real-life character, is not the decisive argument you present it as.

It rests on a category error.

What we encounter on this forum is not the private individual, but a deliberately constructed public persona. His blog, posts, and interactions here are curated outputs. They are authored, sustained, and projected into a public space. This public space is the relevant object of analysis.

From this, two points follow.

First, if there is indeed a discrepancy between the online persona and the private individual, then criticism directed at him here is necessarily aimed at the persona he has chosen to present. It does not purport to judge his private character. Appeals to “how he is in real life” therefore fail as a defence. They address a different subject altogether.

Second, social context matters. Behaviour is not uniform across settings. You describe interactions among peers, in situations where there is no asymmetry of power or dependence. That tells us little. Character is more meaningfully assessed by how one engages with the vulnerable.

Finally, even if we momentarily accept a Baudrillardian frame, where the distinction between the real and the hyperreal collapses, your argument weakens further rather than strengthens. If the online and offline selves are inseparable, then the digital persona is not a distortion but an extension of the real. It carries equal ontological weight. In that case, actions, tone, and positions expressed online are not dismissible as performance. They are constitutive of the person.

So either the online persona is distinct, in which case it stands on its own and is open to critique without reference to private impressions, or it is inseparable from the “real” individual, in which case critique applies all the more directly.

In neither case does your argument do the work you think it does.

[Enchanted_Elixir]

3 hours ago, PeterRS said:

If you wish to cease posting, that is a matter for you not other members. If you wish me to stop posting, just say the word since clearly you do not like my posts in spite of all the valid coments I have made over around 20 years. Remind me: you have been a member for all of 6 months, I believe? At least that is what the Search engine that you describe as "shoddy"states. I should also add the vast number of photo postings of places in Asia and elsewhere I have posted which members might like to visit. But if ignorant posters like you do not want me here, I will leave the Board.  

Why would the words of an ignorant 6 month member have any consequence for you?

[Keithambrose]

1 hour ago, Enchanted_Elixir said:

The claim that you have met, spoken with, or even dined with ChristianPFC, and that there exists a discrepancy between his online persona and his real-life character, is not the decisive argument you present it as.

It rests on a category error.

What we encounter on this forum is not the private individual, but a deliberately constructed public persona. His blog, posts, and interactions here are curated outputs. They are authored, sustained, and projected into a public space. This public space is the relevant object of analysis.

From this, two points follow.

First, if there is indeed a discrepancy between the online persona and the private individual, then criticism directed at him here is necessarily aimed at the persona he has chosen to present. It does not purport to judge his private character. Appeals to “how he is in real life” therefore fail as a defence. They address a different subject altogether.

Second, social context matters. Behaviour is not uniform across settings. You describe interactions among peers, in situations where there is no asymmetry of power or dependence. That tells us little. Character is more meaningfully assessed by how one engages with the vulnerable.

Finally, even if we momentarily accept a Baudrillardian frame, where the distinction between the real and the hyperreal collapses, your argument weakens further rather than strengthens. If the online and offline selves are inseparable, then the digital persona is not a distortion but an extension of the real. It carries equal ontological weight. In that case, actions, tone, and positions expressed online are not dismissible as performance. They are constitutive of the person.

So either the online persona is distinct, in which case it stands on its own and is open to critique without reference to private impressions, or it is inseparable from the “real” individual, in which case critique applies all the more directly.

In neither case does your argument do the work you think it does.

Do you know @Riobard

[Enchanted_Elixir]

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

Do you know @Riobard

That was subtle.

[Keithambrose]

1 minute ago, Enchanted_Elixir said:

That was subtle.

😊

[Enchanted_Elixir]

1 minute ago, Keithambrose said:

😊

Be careful or I might start to write you angry DMs 😉

[Keithambrose]

3 minutes ago, Enchanted_Elixir said:

Be careful or I might start to write you angry DMs 😉

🤐

[mauRICE]

1 hour ago, Keithambrose said:

🤐

@Keithambrose has taken a vow of silence. He tried for chastity but the nuns simply laughed him off. 😅

[vinapu]

9 hours ago, mauRICE said:

You certainly have plenty to say about my experiences with my Thai friends, contemporaries and the nightlife workers I've met, interacted with and helped over the years and you've never met or shook hands with me either. This may surprise you but the vast majority of Thais do not live and breathe Patpong and Foodland.

since we don't have much in terms of your trip reports I don't know how and if at all  you are practicing what you are preaching.

I did not comment about your experiences  with your Thai friends. I just pointed out that   you issue quite  belligerent  judgement about poster you never met and basically you don't know. It's akin to those who are hectoring about bars  while claiming in 2nd breath not visiting any in last  decade.

as for thread subject , when comes to tips there are 4 categories  of posters :

those who tip generously

those who economize on tips as much as they can

those who say they tip generously while in fact they are stingy

and

those who pretend to be Cheap Charlies while on ground  they quite lavish tippers. 

And of course there are virgins who are extolling virtues of sex and their brothers,  who preach chastity,  while fucking everything that moves. 

[jason1975]

12 minutes ago, vinapu said:

as for thread subject , when comes to tips there are 4 categories  of posters :

those who tip generously

those who economize on tips as much as they can

those who say they tip generously while in fact they are stingy

and

those who pretend to be Cheap Charlies while on ground  they quite lavish tippers. 

I am first category because I feel the guys I meet deserve it! 🥳