vinapu

Don't be too nervous , puzzle will fit together nicely. First if you are bit nervous instead of taxi just walk down the soi, this gives you a chance to cool down a bit. Mid way through the soi it forks, take left fork and keep going almost to the end, Hero will be on your left. There is neon sign.
 
Go inside and you will know how gay section of heaven looks like.
Mamasan is  the guy in charge of helping you to pick up the right boy, don't look for him , he will find you.
Have a sit and keep glancing boys behind the glass making your choice, ask mamasan questions if you   have preferences / top, bottom, dick size, quality of massage etc / but use you own eyes and brain first . No shortage of lean muscular boys there.
 
If mamasan  helps you you can slips him 50-100 baht tip, if you are making your own choice without his help don't bother, minimum tip for 1 hr course at Hero is 1000 but if you take longer course and  /or  you are happy with boy tip him more.
 
Last time there I took longer treatment / 2 hr, / in the VIP room, it cost 1500, minimum tip was also 1500,  regular room is 700 for 1 hr course. Tipped boy 2500,  2000 for performance +500 for being hard already when undressing / my habitual bonus/ , probably spoiled him and a market with the tip but felt spoiled by his performance too.
 
IF you not into muscular boys don't bother , no twinks at Hero. If for some reason you are not fully happy or just need one more there's Banana club on your way , on the same side of soi. Boys are less hunky , more swimmers built type  but massage I had was of  superior quality .
 
Let us know how it went at Hero, king of massage places in BKK in opinion of many myself included although is not my first choice, Arena is for historical reason.

While Up2you is on correct side of equation I would not be so sure that service charges are actually sipping into waiters pockets.
 
Depending on size of bill and waiter's smile I'd probably still tip 20-40 baht from time to time but don't feel pressured to do that.
 
Since ChristianPFC is busy settling in the new place  I will  help him and answer your question  for him : no way, never.

as they say  ' when a mosquito sits on your balls it's only then you realize  using force is not always a  best option'

military intervention would only make sense if would lead to speedy elections / 2 months from the coup max / and guarantee from military that whoever wins will have full backing from army. But this is day dreaming, not only in Thailand. Military tends to screw things up as you can't run country the same way you run armed forces
 
 Word from you know who to support elected government and asking for crowds to disperse would help but this is another day dreaming  in circumstances.
 
It leaves monetary solution - if economy will start hurting than three's rare chance for big business and Issan  farmers to be in the same boat and demand speedy end to all this BS, another day dreaming but most probable and less hurtful in terms of blood shed.
 
After all some deep pockets are financing 6 months of unrest in BKK
 
UN has better things to do that getting involved in internal problems of still fairly stable country IMHO.
 
Michael as an American you may not realize that there are people in the world for whom Sept 11 has completely different meaning that for Americans and rest of world. Those are Chileans , Sept 11-1973 was date of Pinochet's coup.

That doesn't make sense, a coup is military force. Things have changed since the last coup. YL and the red shirts have military sympathetic to their cause. Remember the vast majority of the grunts, the soldiers, were drafted and come from red shirt land. Many are the boys from bars, our friends, our sweethearts. Do you really think they will fire on their own family, relatives and friends(rhetorical question). It will be funny when the top heavy bureaucratic army generals turn around and say "where did everybody go?". I have heard it said this one reason there hasn't been a coup, it would not be like the last coup, it would be civil war. Let's hope common sense prevails.

I would do the same.
 
I will never haggle over a rate. I agreed to something and even if they don't meet expectations, I give them what was agreed upon and never see them again. But, will go back and try another boy. If mamasan says how about the same boy, I'll say no and tell her why. She needs to know but I would not make a big deal over it. It may be we just didn't click.
 
I am always very careful and upfront and tell what I want and how much I will pay and I rarely get disappointed.
 
I did once get disappointed in Sunee Plaza and took a waiter and gave him zero tip and zero taxi (but gave him the going rate). When I went back the next day, the staff all knew what I had given him (yes they all discuss us as much as we discuss them). They all said, "Wow, I know you long time and you never not give boy tip. This boy must have been really really bad." I just said yes and moved on. I still think the lad is cute and I still chatted with him and was friendly. No need to make a mountain out of a molehill. Shit happens. Get over it quickly. Move on. Plenty of more boys in LOS to let one encounter spoil a holiday or even a night.
 
If truly horrible experience, call another boy you know and have him come over. It defiantly will get the bad taste out of your mouth quick and the boy will be thrilled to have the extra income.

Gee, the problem in Thailand doesn't sound so different than the USA.
 
I feel sorry for the Thai people.

nothing wrong with discussing politics as long as we can accept that others may have completely different view on the matters than our own, sometimes is hard to make own mind though,
 
I'm in this situation in respect of recent events - not happy that concert of  mob and judiciary removed elected official but happy that sister of former  prime minister is no longer in the same position as I hate dynastic politics in democracy. 
 
But you right, Thai politics belong to Thais, we have own pleasures.

make sure you keep us updated as we did not have any trip report in a while and instead of discussing regular subjects like boy's tips and costs of drinks we are involved more in politics recently

make sure you keep us updated as we did not have any trip report in a while and instead of discussing regular subjects like boy's tips and costs of drinks we are involved more in politics recently

Hopefully cold heads will prevail in both Thai political establishment and on this forum. Politicos clearly should see that bringing people to the streets is double edges sword as other side may do the same.
 
Scaremongering doesn't help as  demonstrations  go on from Nov last year  and as far as travel to LOS is concerned everybody who went there returned safe.
 
Yingluck miscalculated her step with amnesty proposal which infuriated both sides so was author of her own misfortune.
 
As for courts being joke it looks that everywhere nowadays  when they wade into politics they become one, not unique to Thailand.
 
Circus with Florida 'chads ' during presidential election in USA giving seat to George W comes to mind. Al Gore just had more class that Suthep to give up , likely due to cleaner hands.  
 
So all planning Thai vacations don't chicken out and just go, stay away from big gatherings as you would to in any foreign country and don't discuss politics with locals,  boys included.

I's second Bob's comments, it's pure farce , not democracy if PM is removed by collusion of mob and judicial actions.
 
I'd not cancel any trip tsubiboy, just go and enjoy . leave Thai political affairs for Thais to solve. We can just help our boys to put food on the table / and on occasion new smartphone in the pocket /

I's second Bob's comments, it's pure farce , not democracy if PM is removed by collusion of mob and judicial actions.
 
I'd not cancel any trip tsubiboy, just go and enjoy . leave Thai political affairs for Thais to solve. We can just help our boys to put food on the table / and on occasion new smartphone in the pocket /

I's second Bob's comments, it's pure farce , not democracy if PM is removed by collusion of mob and judicial actions.
 
I'd not cancel any trip tsubiboy, just go and enjoy . leave Thai political affairs for Thais to solve. We can just help our boys to put food on the table / and on occasion new smartphone in the pocket /

My experience of massages in Bkk is limited, as I have spent the majority of my time in Pattaya. My most memorable massages have been in Jomtien Centre, where I often go after an afternoon on the Gay Beach. There you can sit outside with the boys having a tea/coffee before making a decision.
I remember a couple of years ago sitting outside the Question Mark Bar feeling horny and wanting a massage. A few boys were there and I was delighted when a handsome one wearing a cute striped vest top and tight shorts came over and sat next to me on the sofa. I bought him a drink and indicated I would like a massage. We chatted and sipped our drinks with him close to me. Before going inside I put my arm around him and tongue kissed him which for me guaranteed electricity between us.
Going upstairs past the ping pong table I observed his butt in the tight shorts. We showered separately with him being last and me lying on the massage table waiting impatiently for him thinking he was taking too long.
The massage was enjoyable and gradually my hands strayed to his butt and dick. Suddenly he rolled onto the bed and commenced a b2b with his dick probing between my butt cheeks, which I loved. I assumed a position to be topped and he quickly had the condom on, and I felt his cock easing its way in. He came eventually and I wanked to completion.
I can't remember how much it cost but it was one of the best experiences I have had in Thailand.
I returned twice and hired the same boy to repeat the performance until I had to return home. I wish I had offed him for the night.
When I returned to Pattaya 4 months later I was disappointed to find he no longer worked at the Question Mark.

Maybe because Michael had 37 suitcases, a retinue of valets, and the monkey that was screaming "help me! help me!"?  (Just kidding, Michael)
 
Speaking of customs, on one of my first returns to the US from over here about 15 years ago, I was flying out of Tokyo on a loaded 747 and, as it turns out, I was the only person on the plane to declare anything.  When I gave the form to the customs dude, he began to examine my list of items (stupid things I bought for relatives) and I asked him: "Am I really the only one on that plane to have anything to declare or am I just the dumbest person on that plane?"  He just grinned at me with one of those smiles that said: "Way to go, Einstein, you sure figured that out quick!"   

Don't disagree with most of the comments here but maybe it's time for what I now consider a fairly humorous story of the TSA at work.  In 2005, I was flying to southern Michigan to visit one of my best friends who was hospitalized for a liver transplant.  He and his wife went down there in a hurry and I flew down the next day.  The wife's mother at the last moment gave me a carry-on for her daughter (as, given the sudden notice, her daughter flew down there with only the clothes on her back).  That carry-on was the problem.
 
So I went through the screening in my dinky northwestern Michigan city and, after the screening, two TSA guys came up to me smiling and announced that I was randomly chosen for some extra screening (they really did say something to the effect that "don't worry, we do this several times a day, and we're not targeting you for any reason").  They then started going though both of my carry-ons and the rest of it went something like this:
Q: Are these your items?
A: (without thinking too much): Sure.
Q: Are you sure these are your items?
A:  Sure (but maybe said a little less strength, being puzzled as to why I was being asked twice).
Q  (While pulling out of the daughter's bag a small pair of red panties, holding them up high, and almost shouting - all in the presence of maybe 30 other passengers...a couple of which knew me):  And these are yours!?!
A  (Rather red-faced):  Well, no.....
Q:  Is this your bag?
A:  Well, yes and no....  (My mind is beginning to panic watching the guy start pulling out stuff from the daughter's bag and wondering what the hell her mother might have put in there.....I'm imagining scissors, tampax, etc....)
Q. (While all the TSA people have converged on me and all 30 of the passengers are watching intently):  These (the red lace panties he's still holding up high for all to see) don't really look like they fit you!
A:  Hmmm....(I don't really know what to say....I'm still wondering what else is in that damn bag).  Then I tried to quickly backtrack and explain how it came to be that I was carrying the bag for my friend's wife.
Q.  Well!  Did you pack this bag???
A.  (Knowing damn well my answer could cause further consternation):  Well, no, my friend's wife's mother packed it for her daughter......but I was right next to her when she packed it!  (that last part was a lie but I figured I better say that).
Q:  Well, what else is in the bag then?
A.  (Fuck!  This ain't gonna be easy):  Mostly her clothes. (A guess on my part as I sure as hell didn't know)
 
There's a little more to the story but, thankfully, there were mostly clothes in there....I discovered that then because they unloaded the bag and checked everything.  After a few more minutes, they pretty much bought my story and let me go, albeit a bit red-faced (and thanking god/buddha the mother hadn't planted a grenade or sharp object that would have really screwed me over).  I laugh about it now but also remember the panic I enjoyed (not) for a short while.  I'll think twice in the future before carrying another bag for anyone!

The Supreme Court is just another political organization which of course was not how the Founders saw it.
 
Until decisions return to 7-2 or 8-1 , the Court is a total joke.. Unfortunately I don't see that happening!

Obviously having little to do with actual **Homeland Security** up in Minnesota
they are trying to justify their jobs by branching out..
Perhaps a letter to the editor of the local newspaper there?

Well my expectations for my upcoming first visit to Hero and Senso for that matter (in about 4 weeks) will be simple;
I want a massage I want a top to screw me I want to cum afterwards I will be following the sage advice offered from vinapu and that is to trust my gut feeling, if I strike it lucky first time at either of these establishments I will get the phone number of the boy and organise a 4 hands (and two top cocks) massage for my birthday treat later that month. I may even try to get there when Somsak is on and use some of his guidance when choosing but it will all come down to what my gut tells me.
 
I always work on the principal that if I'm disappointed on the first try I will try again but with a different boy.
 
I do have one question for those with experience at Hero, given that they only have a few VIP rooms is it possible to book one in advance (just as they open in the afternoon)? My plan on the first visit is to get there just on opening to try and avoid the crowds.

I've found that the more aggressive boys often disappoint. Maybe they've learned to rush things so they canget back and have a shot at another customer. I've also found that boys that promise everything (without being asked),
often fail to deliver.
Also, often the boys that make eye contact effortlessly, do the same with every potential customer and I enjoy feeling
there's some chemistry at work. Lastly, I find the lady boys or fem boys more aggressive and flirty. Too much eye contact and some make it impossible to ignore them.

Don't get discouraged with your a bit disappointing experience, may be lack of chemistry?
As you noticed there is always lots of guys to choose from at HERO.
 
If I'm in the room with a boy I always ask him to shower together and almost never was refused anywhere and certainly never at Hero but some need a little  encouragement to do that, may be cultural thing? May  be boy thought you don't want to shower together.
 
As for recommendation for any boy we need to remember that for many reason excellent boy for one  may be plain vanilla ort even disappointing for somebody else-many factors are involved- chemistry , our and boy's mood, preferences, body shape and hair etc
 
so it's always better to go with your guts rather than just follow recommendation of others
 
Thank you for excellent report and we hope for more of those from you wishing you better luck next time

I think you have been given some very appropriate advice. I have always found the captains at Hero helpful and tip them for their help.  I always take the time to tell them what I want so they ensure there is no misunderstanding.
I have also had guys where the chemistry was not right the first time, but sometimes found that the chemistry improved the second time. I knew them a bit and better and they also knew me better and what I enjoyed. 
Some customers keep trying different guys looking for what they want.  I have had good results with staying with someone I liked, even if things weren't perfect and working to improve things.

Ryoyo
I think you got reasonable values for your money - maybe your expectations were a little too high.
You had a massage and after the massage boy fucked you and also there was nipple play. I'm versatile also and this would for me be the climax with me wanking.
I suppose you could have mentioned your requirement to the mamasan. Of course the choice of a new masseur is usually hit and miss, but I don't think you had a miss on this occasion.
Thanks for the report and would welcome more of your experiences. I will certainly visit Hero during my next trip.

echoing what Vinapu said... yes, don't be discouraged... maybe the boy was still green (2 months started working yeah), and try to be a little cheeky, ask him to shower together, and tease him, tell him that you'll be very sad if he doesn't want to join you...
 
from what i gather, based from what the boys told me, their priority is to make sure that the customer is happy and cum. The captain will make sure of this, if not, then they will be scolded...
 
ask for Somsak, he's a good mamasan/ captain, the boys are scared of him. He will tell you which one is good and which one is useless. And if you fancy a boy, he will instruct that boy to make sure that you have a good time, he will ask you about your session, so if you didn't get what your money's worth, that boy will be in trouble.. and if you had a wonderful time, don't forget to tip that mamasan ( 100 bht is enough)
 
320 pm is very early, try 6 to 8 pm, its the peak hour. Many boys to choose from.
 
And i agree with you, it happened to me all the time, as you got out from your session, suddenly you saw other boys behind the 'aquarium', more handsome and sexy than the one you chose...  DAMN!!! Tell you what, if you don't have anything else to do, then sit down and relax for few minutes or hour, reenergise yourself, have a drink, chat with the captain.. then go for your second session with boy you've just discovered... the second session is cheaper too.. around 500 baht or 450 bht if i'm not mistaken.. ( tip for the boy is still the same)
 
and if you think the room is too small, why not try the vip room.
 
well... all the best !!!