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But tonight, I was adamant, to have my cake and eat it too, simply because this was Bangkok, where the bakery was always open, and there are always so many cakes to be had. Was it just me ? or did the Richard Harris song Macarthur Park spring to mind for others on reading this?

Interested to read Vessey's comment about bait in this thread - was only thinking the other day how this whole business with the boys etc is like a fishing expedition - lures, baits, landing the big one, hooked, struggling to get off the line ........

Orion Bar This venue recently changed location - it now actually fronts Chareonprathet Lane 6 - about 200 metres in from the Night Market Street (Changklan Rd) - right hand side. This is the same street for Ram Bar and Secrets Bar. The new location is a bit more spacious ( there are now no metal poles to restrict your pool shots) - some nice new tables and stools. It opens right out onto the street so you get to view all the passing traffic. Every now and then the host puts on free food. Always found the bar to be friendly - the host is always welcoming and there are usually at least 6+ bar boys there - mostly Tai Yai. Language can be a challenge at times but there's always someone around to interpret. There was a great birthday party there a week or so ago and the place was packed - however it's low season and numbers can be variable. I have been back post party and there have been only a handful of customers. But if you are in Chiang Mai it's definitely worth a visit. Have also seen on Facebook that Soho is re-opening in a new location. Soho Soi Sarm - Soi 3 Hussadiissawee Rd - more towards the Santitham area.. . Grand Opening party advertised for June 2 Have to agree with a447a comments in another post there is so much eye candy in Thailand in the out of the way places - this place is overrun by handsome men. Looking forward to a few days in Bangkok from this weekend - a chance to return to NB and see the handsome Isaan man with the best smile ever and to return to Arena to visit the fabulous Teep One day I will venture even further south than Bangkok - on 7 trips to Thailand over the years never gone to any of the beach locations - much prefer mountain men in the north

any spotters fee and commission gathered by a447a and ukladd23 for the fore-mentioned photos can be forwarded to me - I will pass on to the young man when I visit him again next weekend

oh la la - a menage a cinq!!!!

Been in Chiang Mai for about 4 weeks and had only foot and legit body massage, I decided to try one of the gay massage shops. I had been to Paradise previously 2 years ago and also when it was known as Mystic Spa. Easily accessible from the old town area - about 10-15 minute walk from Thapae Gate. When I arrived at the entrance around 6.00pm the mamasan and one boy were sitting outside - my appearance brought a chorus of "falang, falang" from inside - so I gathered business hadn't been that brisk. The boys - in black shirts and jeans - were gathered just inside near small reception - mostly lazing about which to me doesn't give a good impression - about 6 of them - 3 on phones looking decidedly disinterested . When asked, 5 said they were from Mae Hong Son the other was from Mae Sai. The latter was chosen as he was "just right" - small frame,smiled, cute moustache, looked as though he was interested. Mamasan assured me he could do good massage. Older wooden style inside with creaky floors but quite nicely appointed. Separate shower room which seems to have been renovated since my last visit. The room I was in had the mattress on the floor but others have tables. Aircon, dimly lit, lockable door. Showered alone before the massage - the actual massage delivery was just ok - not the best I have had but the end stages were very enjoyable. There was not a lot of discreet touching during the massage from his side but he did not object to me being very "feely". My man from Mae Sai had a smattering of English and he attempted to engage in conversation. After the event we showered together which was very pleasant. Interestingly he told me that 100thb of the tip went to the massage shop!!! I was unaware that this happened. Downstairs again - no after massage drink was offered. Cost of 90 minute oil massage 800 thb (mine lasted about the full time) Would I return? YES!!!! The man from Mae Sai was certainly worth a re-visit.

a447a,ukladd23,Nasherich - we have something in common!!! And yes a447a - it's a killer smile - and a nice guy to go with it

Seeking clarification of the use of the words "man" and "gay" as used in the LOS. A couple of my friends have said they are "man only" not "gay" - which left me slightly confused after spending enjoyable interaction with them - and when I told them I was gay they looked more confused than me!! Also noticed that a couple of the profiles on Hornet state that they are "man only" after I told them I was gay. Does it mean that they are top only??? In the words of a very well known Australian politician - "please explain" with thanks

UPDATE - Just read the report about Divine's experience with the masseur falling asleep. I had a Tai Yai friend call around this week - he was on a bit of a downer so I said come around watch TV, sleep, eat, listen to music in the aircon. On arriving he ate an ice-cream and we sat on the couch - me reading and he listening to music. 5 minutes later he was asleep so I carefully extricated myself from the couch and went into the bedroom to read. An hour later he came in , lay down on the bed and promptly went to sleep again for at least another 90 minutes. Meantime I got up and went back to the couch so as not to disturb him. After the 90 minutes he came back to the couch and fell asleep again!!! This scenario was repeated one more time. These boys love sleeping. Went back to Secrets last night around 11.00pm. 3 customers - 3 bar boys playing pool. Can recommend Bubbles Massage in Santitham for a good massage - no intimacy and happy happy stuff - but good decent massage - man to man - book ahead is better And yes the number of good looking locals abounds - the man delivering ice next door this morning was worth more than one glance and the guy who cooked my breakfast

Whall - not sure if you ask me or not - but i stay in the area between Kad Suan Kaew and Maya - not far from Nimman - 150 THB by tuktuk to the bars

no sglad - Pandee is still open - there were a few there seated at the bar last night in fact - will endeavour to get there in the near future - agree about the eye candy in Chiang Mai - even the car park attendant at my apartment block has been getting my attention!!!

Arrived in CM about 2 weeks ago with the intention of using this town as a base for 6 months (initially) in Thailand. Managed to survive Songkran here. One day of the celebration was spent travelling into the country to a place called Mae Taeng. Lots of bamboo shelters hanging over a fast flowing river - food and drink everywhere and lots of Thais just having good fun. Most of my time was spent man gazing at the mostly young men enjoying the water- sadly they seemed to want to keep their shirts and jeans/shorts on whilst in the water. But a few de-shirted and provided some stunning scenery. I took photos The other days were spent in the city and I managed to get drenched regularly -nothing like getting hit on one side of the face with water when in a tuk tuk. Must say I was a bit worried when people started getting water out of the moat to use - always looks a bit dodgy to me. One day I called into Classic Massage and didn't make it past the front bar. The guys there are always so friendly and the place is well run - have to go back soon and have a massage - Non and Sak are my favourites there, Bar wise - have been to Secrets , Orion and Station One. Secrets was relatively quiet but it may have been because I went around 9 - 9.30. Only a few boys there. Will have to return one night a bit later. Next door is Ram where I have never been - seems to draw a mixed crowd mainly for the show. Orion is always friendly though small and it will re-locate at the end of this month - only a short distance away more towards the main road of the night market. Usually about 6 or more boys. Enjoyable place. Station One is the Kalare Market on the opposite side to Orion - up the stairs and walk through to the back. Near Ozeed Bar - Small bar, open to cool beeze at night and friendly - pool table. Only a few boys - but very relaxed. The bar staff boy there is one of the best guys you will ever meet Only foot massages thus far and not ventured to Adam's Apple as yet Hornet is quite active here and even an old 69 year old like me gets a few enquiries and not all from money boys. Have met 3 sensational guys on Hornet - one is about 44 kgs , would get blown over by a strong breeze - but with equipment that anyone would envy. Another - so quiet and handsome and eyes to die for - but so horny. Have to learn to manage myself a bit better with Hornet - don't want to suffer early burnout. Wherever you look here are handsome guys - the guy who works in the laundry shop I go to - just delightful - killer smile, beautiful skin - I have the cleanest clothes in CM!!!!! So the advice to myself is to relax, calm down, manage my activities, and not get too excited too often - there is still 5.5 months to go - and find a few more gay or bi friends - all my friends seemed to be straight, married - all this looking and not touching !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Another annoying habit is the drinking of alcohol while walking in the markets - I am currently in Chiang Mai and went to Wulai on Saturday night and Walking Street Sunday and saw quite a few younger western tourists drinking from long necks while in the market area - not usually done at home so why here? Also what happens if the bottle is dropped and broken ? just leave it and walk away??? what happens to the empty - just put it done somewhere and walk away???

Now in Chiang Mai but a couple of nights ago I decided to revisit Screwboys - arrived just before the show and there were quite a few customers. The show itself has somewhat deteriorated in that it seemed to be overloaded with lipsync lady boy numbers.I prefer to watch boys _ there were a couple of big cock dance stroking numbers but have to admit I was talking to a couple of new found companions to really take a lot of notice. i did notice when the boys in the routines presented rhemselves at the table looking for tips. I was talking so missed most of the acrobstic sex act st the end. One of the downside things for me at Screwboys is that smoking is allowed it is a small venue and the build up of smoke is quite noticeable. Now to the boys - around 12 + on stage - a mix of Thai, Viet, Shan, Cambodian boys and some very easy on the eye. more like the ordinary boy next door types. I sat with a Viet (bi) and a Cambodian (bi) and we had a fun night - all tops so we were working out the possible computations if we had a night together - the reaction of the Viet boy when told he would have to be the bottom was hilarious!! Really nice guys and lots of fun - no offs that night.

Arrived yesterday to sweltering heat - a very speedy passage through immigration. Not willing to hit my hotel bed I took myself off to investigate Nature Boys. Very handsome fair haired lad out the front and only 3 boys inside in orange underwear. Stayed for a few drinks and had most enjoyable conversation with them. 2 were bi and the other gay. I was the only customer for at least 2.5 hours.One other chap called in but didnt stay long. Closed at 2.00am The boys were friendly and talkative and attentive of course. They said that it hadnt been busy there for a few weeks.I can see that the place is not everyones cup of tea but I had an enjoyable night. Today I went for a massage at Arena - around 3.00 pm. Wow - at least 40 guys available - all outfitted in jeans and some working out with the gym gear.All solid/muscled build with a range of ages. My all time favourite Teep (unashamedly indicating my bias) surprised me by telling me he is 35 - looks early 20s. Great relaxing sensual massage that was supposed to be 90 minutes but went well over that time. Havent got anywhere near the clubs yet!!!

An interesting read that explores this issue is the fictional novel by Stephen Leather - Private Dancer - a great insight

Lovely photos Moses - congratulations to Kuang

My first Songkran last year - really enjoyed it though the ice water comes as a bit of a shock when it hits you. Wandered all over Silom and one of the better (but wetter) Sois was the one in which Tawan Club and Sun Massage are located - nothing more eye catching than a drenched young man in a clingy t-shirt. My man bought me a colourful t shirt and shorts for the occasion - still can see all the dye coming out of that shirt when I wrung it out in the Tantawarn Hotel bathroom. Returning this year but will be in Chiang Mai and hopefully will get out to a smaller village to see how Songkran is celebrated there.

you're right - that pizza does look yummy

numazu - thank you for the wonderful photos - really enjoyed them - beautiful shots of the temples (and food)

If you go to Chiang Mai and want to spend a day or more with a driver/guide, you will do no better than Woody. PS the handsome Non is still there

Just finished reading Private Dancer by Stephen Leather. Story of farang who becomes infatuated with a Thai bar girl. interesting insight into a relationship narrated by different characters. Also giving a perspective of how Thai sex industry workers think about their clients - not a feel good read but I found it compelling

Great photos Vinapu - the places are even magnificent now - imagine what they must have been like when just constructed - was thinking when I looked at them - " where did all the stone come from?" PS - great to have a local person to accompany you - I have travelled in SE Asia for the last 15 years and always taken local company - so many benefits

Happy Christmas Vinapu - have enjoyed reading your report and looking at the photos - have to say that looking at those cages just gives me shivers - nice to do things that have been on the bucket list - just have to add a few more now!!!! PS - Sareth - very handsome

enjoy reading the reports numazu - and really appreciate the inclusion of the photos