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Just a caution on Screwboys...I've had two great offs from the Screwboys boys. No complaints, but last Monday, I left the HotMale midnight show to catch Screwboys 1am show. When I got there, only two boys on stage one on his phone. As show time approached I asked mamasan what was up. She said lots of boys sick. I asked and received a reduced fee on the drink I'd ordered and then left.

The Raya Surawong worked for me. I don't smoke but rooms have ashtrays. Check Agoda for pricing on hotels in the Surawong area.

One thing I've absorbed is how useful the details / descriptions you employ turn out to be. Tour companies, restaurants, clubs, frustrations, etc. two examples I had a great dinner last night at the Poseidon Wine Restsurant after using Pattaya Taxi service to get to Pattaya. Myanmar is penciled in for later this year and your reports will help center the visit. I tend to resist taking photos as I find looking back at older photos they don't match my memory. Now that I realize that this creates Trumpian alternative facts, I need to have some sort of record. , I'm still not taking many pictures but am journaling. See what comes of it when I get home.

I've been staring at the space of "Reply to this topic" trying mightily to devise a question, realizing I'm still absorbing the details you are putting into your trip reporting. As you say "And it's not over yet".

I'll be back in Bangkok on January 29, 30, and 31. PM me if interested in meeting up. Had a great time with DivineMadman these past days going to a club and just hanging out.

Maybe that's why Jupiter boys rarely smile.

I've been at The Raya now for 6 nights in one of the Grand Deluxe rooms, off to Pattaya today. Back to the Raya in a basic room when I return. Will report when I'm able to compare, but Grand Deluxe has been "grand".

Asians customers are offing guys just as DivineMadman states. And confirmed to me by the mamasan at HotMale who I've known for a couple of years. Additional observation is that both at Jupiter and HotMale it was the Asian customers who were purchasing bottles rather than drinks.

Went to Jupiter Sunday night with DivineMadMan and some companions. Was surprised there were so few boys, maybe 10. Mekhi and #20 both on stage. Show not much changed since I saw it in October. Not much to add to other recent reports. Most of the audience was Chinese with some Japanese and maybe half dozen farang. Personally, I acknowledge it as the best staged show, but too long a pause between acts.

I thought backpage was being shutdown

Raya has now posted at registration desk that overnight guests must leave I'd at desk until departure. Failure to do so costs registered guest 1,000 THB. I think this is a new policy or no one else has mentioned it. I

Yes, as the common thread of appreciation makes clear, keep writing...BUT, also, keep including the photos. They add a bit of sorrow/joy (first photo evoking the final airport goodbye) to the lighthearted SIM card advert. I depart in a few hours for Bangkok and my reporting will be written on the equivalent of clay tablets compared to your prose.

Suggestion if going to the Vietnamese Embassy....go in the morning. They close for lunch, and when they reopen it is mainly to turnover what's been already processed such as visa requests from the day before or that morning. Usually means two trips to the Embassy are involved. It is not a one stop shop.

Decided to just copy and paste the "intriguing description of Tantric massage from Spa Bangkok's website: The massage itself does not tend to cause orgasms, but these are described as a bonus rather than the aim. Although Tantric massage does not involve actual penetrative sex, it does involve full on touching of the organs. For this reason you will not find it offered in ordinary spa. Not all customers will be able to have Tantric Massage, so we you will need to consult with our therapist first. After that, we will begin by having you recline on your back with pillows under your head , your legs will be slightly apart, your knees just a little bent. Your abdomen, thighs, feet, toes, chest, nipples and fingers are then gently massaged with warm aromatic oil. Nothing will escape attention. Your energy flow is stimulated and senses awakened as your body’s sensitivity increases. According to Tantric ideals, your entire body will be massaged, including those particularly sensitive areas. Perceptions of sensuality and lust are located here, but these “intimate” areas are an important source of joy in life. You will feel relaxed, yet wide awake. You will be coached to breathe properly, as you sink into yet deeper level of relaxation which will give you a feeling of comfort and sense of well-being.

The "membership" is good for a year which is helpful for those of us tourists who return more frequently to Bangkok than the legendary swallows to Capistrano. Also noticed that a "tantric" massage is offered with an intriguing description.

I tend to book 2 hour sessions at Prince and they run the full time. I don't know if it has anything to do with it or not, but Prince is happy to collect the "tip"up front. I don't and tip the masseur directly. As DivineMadman posts, timing can be its own artform, but the the masseur is the artist so it's up to him, with some help, to get it right...but, also, I wasn't there.

Agree with Vinapu, Dalewood, Spoon, and Alexx. Vinapu is succinct:

I've taken a boy to Pattaya, we had a good time...but it was inhibiting with regard to offing someone else. How to handle the room situation, the "diplomacy" involved, etc. Based on that, I suggest a possible alternative to what's been said above, all of which is good wisdom from personal experiences. My alternative is to go to Pattaya for several days, the first days by yourself, invite your friend to join you for the last day or two. And as Vinapu always stresses, be upfront about expectations and compensation. And, whatever, make sure YOU have a good time.

Excellent - begin and the end and then fast backward to the beginning.

Reading Numazu's adventures, he mentions that he is often asked if he is Chinese, Thai, etc and surprises the questioner when he tells them he is from the US. If Numazu is a victim of discrimination, we should all have his "troubles". I'm a farang who ventures into Jupiter and have not sensed / noticed discrimination. I agree with Vinapu that being known as a bad tipper might be discriminated against but that is based on a pragmatic monetary motivation. When there is money about the boys are highly discriminating (in the best sense).

I'll be returning to Thailand staying in Bangkok from 20 January through the 24th, in Pattaya from the 25th through the 28th, and back in Bangkok from the 29th to the morning of 1 February. If any forum members might want to meet up, PM me...my schedule has some commitments but not that many. Example of a commitment: be present when paulsf returns to his seat at Hotmale Bar.

Guess that I'll just re-read one of your previous reports to set the mood until the board lights up with a new one...

Correct - he entered as a tourist,

Reading these last several posts, reminded me of why I never finished my posts about my October visit to Thailand and Laos. So, let me give the condensed version. I'd been in Bangkok then went to Chiang Mai, where I had one great massage at Two Brothers, then flew back to Bangkok for one night before going to Vientiane and Luang Prabang. Inspired by Numazu's scheduling / juggling skills, I'd arranged for an meet up with Vinapu's Screwboy twink for a meet up and dinner, then I planned to try and off someone I saw a Jupiter, and finish up by offing Van at the end of his Freshboys stint. Van and I have been meeting up for a couple of years, so I anticipated he'd jsut do short times (if he was offed) and meet me for an overnight. Well...communications melted down within the first hour back at the hotel. Mr Screwboys, who had been sending me daiy photos of himself and appendage, was a no show, I texted and "Lined", decided to get some dinner and head off for Jupiter, when I started getting Facebook messages from Van. Strange he's a WeChat-er. Needs to see me right away am I back in town yet? (I'd smudged the fact that I'd be back several hours and boys before seeing him). Gave up on Jupiter, tell Van I'm at the Tarntawan. He's there in ten minutes with a high stress level and no ID. His passport and phone have been taken. The Tarntawan security remembers him from the week before and let's him come up to the room and pours out the story of what happened and asking what he should do as without a passport he can't work and can't leave the country without paying extra. At this point, my phone starts exploding with messages from Mr Screwboys, apologizing, he overslept, he is on his way, he will make all right for me. Another charming appendage photo. I say to myself "Self, you have one Vietnamese boy in your room who is distressed and not gong to leave and you;d plan to have him stay the night, so..." I texted Mr. Screwboys to forget it, too late now. This brings in another half dozen messages, no more photos, but lots of crying emoji. Van is so caught up in his own drama that he doesn't notice/ignores all my texting nad the phone ringing and not being answered. So...relationship to this thread is the amorphous Thai sense of time, meeting times, that my over organized personality didn't consider, thus Mr. Screwboys was a loss. Van told me he used a friends phone to FB message me as my WeChat information was on his lost phone and he remembered that I was on FB. Clever/Resourceful. I explained to him how to go to his embassy and get an emergency passport, this did not register with him. Nor, did the need to go to the police and report the loss. Just a lot of panic in his face. He stayed with me, which confused the morning security guard as there was no passport to return. I gave more advice and doubled my usual overnight compensation - which would give him enough THB to pay the embassy. I left for six days, excellent days and nights in Luang Prabang - just sightseeing during Buddhist new year. To tie up the loose ends...Van was waiting for my return to Bangkok, he now had a phone but had done nothing about the embassy. He asked if I'd go with him as he was apprehensive about going to the embassy and that there would be more respect if I was with him (?). Ya from SiamRoads helped to lessen the apprehension as he new Van from a visit we'd made to Pattaya a while back. So, I spent my last full day in Thailand shuttling back and forth to the Vietnamese Embassy, with a stop at the Police Department to make a report (see above), an Embassy return with the Police report, and another embassy stop to pick up the temporary passport. Note - I was not asked for any THB to help with these adventures, other than to pay for the taxi. Van spent the late afternoon and evening in making the day end memorable. This probably didn't belong here...but the posts about contacting boys and follow up reminded me of my this and that I'd never finished my report. I guess I just did.

Thanks for continuing to be the "Michelin" of Massage.